RP of the 1500's {OOC/ Open}

[States of Yugoslavia]

Indians like product from Europe, we trade them product from Europe for fur and settle a relatively unoccupied island on the mouth of the Hudson. Why would they hate us? Beer and Rum were brought with the ship (as stated in the post of it sailing from Amsterdam), some were traded with the Indians, and then a small band of twenty drunken indians decided to throw torches in the town walls, lighting fire to the town, and since they were so few of the Indian tribes members, the tribes don't hate us and probably offered us help in rebuilding the town.

The native tribes were vicious and warlike. They would not suddenly become peaceful cuz you give em alchehol. That would make them more blood crazed and unpredictable.

[States of Yugoslavia]

And when it comes to Lithuania... it so unlikely that the ruler would do that all of suden, if not people the dukes and lords would rebel against him and in best case scenario Lithuania would fall appart...

[Kengburg]

TUSSR, you have neglected to respond to my post, so I will repost it on this page.

Indians like product from Europe, we trade them product from Europe for fur and settle a relatively unoccupied island on the mouth of the Hudson. Why would they hate us? Beer and Rum were brought with the ship (as stated in the post of it sailing from Amsterdam), some were traded with the Indians, and then a small band of twenty drunken indians decided to throw torches in the town walls, lighting fire to the town, and since they were so few of the Indian tribes members, the tribes don't hate us and probably offered us help in rebuilding the town.

The native tribes were vicious and warlike. They would not suddenly become peaceful cuz you give em alchehol. That would make them more blood crazed and unpredictable.

One or two barrels of alcholhol does not mean the whole tribe goes crazy, and your stereotype of the "Vicious and Warlike Injuns!" is very, very, far from the truth. The Native Americans traded with Europeans ever since their arrival in North America, and have fought on the side of some Europeans as seen in many conflicts in history. They were capable of trade, and knew it's benefits. They were not simply "Injun Savages!", as the most Native Americans have been depicted as mild mannered and pleasant in trading situations, the only time violence ever occurred is when pillaging or annexation was done by the Europeans.

[Dires]

The native tribes were vicious and warlike. They would not suddenly become peaceful cuz you give em alchehol. That would make them more blood crazed and unpredictable.

One or two barrels of alcholhol does not mean the whole tribe goes crazy, and your stereotype of the "Vicious and Warlike Injuns!" is very, very, far from the truth. The Native Americans traded with Europeans ever since their arrival in North America, and have fought on the side of some Europeans as seen in many conflicts in history. They were capable of trade, and knew it's benefits. They were not simply "Injun Savages!", as the most Native Americans have been depicted as mild mannered and pleasant in trading situations, the only time violence ever occurred is when pillaging or annexation was done by the Europeans.

Look, I'm not arguing about your colony anymore, but if you depict the Indians as all peaceful, that's just as racist as calling them all injun savages. They were people and some tribes wouldn't like the intrusion these new people would make.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

TUSSR, you have neglected to respond to my post, so I will repost it on this page.

The native tribes were vicious and warlike. They would not suddenly become peaceful cuz you give em alchehol. That would make them more blood crazed and unpredictable.

One or two barrels of alcholhol does not mean the whole tribe goes crazy, and your stereotype of the "Vicious and Warlike Injuns!" is very, very, far from the truth. The Native Americans traded with Europeans ever since their arrival in North America, and have fought on the side of some Europeans as seen in many conflicts in history. They were capable of trade, and knew it's benefits. They were not simply "Injun Savages!", as the most Native Americans have been depicted as mild mannered and pleasant in trading situations, the only time violence ever occurred is when pillaging or annexation was done by the Europeans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois

[Dires]

TUSSR, you have neglected to respond to my post, so I will repost it on this page.


One or two barrels of alcholhol does not mean the whole tribe goes crazy, and your stereotype of the "Vicious and Warlike Injuns!" is very, very, far from the truth. The Native Americans traded with Europeans ever since their arrival in North America, and have fought on the side of some Europeans as seen in many conflicts in history. They were capable of trade, and knew it's benefits. They were not simply "Injun Savages!", as the most Native Americans have been depicted as mild mannered and pleasant in trading situations, the only time violence ever occurred is when pillaging or annexation was done by the Europeans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois

love their government

[Kengburg]

One or two barrels of alcholhol does not mean the whole tribe goes crazy, and your stereotype of the "Vicious and Warlike Injuns!" is very, very, far from the truth. The Native Americans traded with Europeans ever since their arrival in North America, and have fought on the side of some Europeans as seen in many conflicts in history. They were capable of trade, and knew it's benefits. They were not simply "Injun Savages!", as the most Native Americans have been depicted as mild mannered and pleasant in trading situations, the only time violence ever occurred is when pillaging or annexation was done by the Europeans.

Look, I'm not arguing about your colony anymore, but if you depict the Indians as all peaceful, that's just as racist as calling them all injun savages. They were people and some tribes wouldn't like the intrusion these new people would make.

What intrusion? We settled on an uninhabited island and give the Indians lots of goods for the fur trade. What reason would they have to break the valuable fur trade, as randomly out of nowhere attack a settlement. The Indians aren't the Khanates of Asia, who plunder for the sake of plundering and don't think twice, the Indians have enough brains to know this fur trade is benefiting them, and what reason would they have to attack if they are being benefitted by my colony? The Indians could start a fight or two, but usually that's with nations that take a giant chunk of their land and treat them like shit. The Dutch are a small settlement that gives the Indians valuable goods for valuable fur. Indians are not that quick to go to war. Every Indian attack or war is usually provoked for some negative reason by a European power, and The Dutch have done nothing bad to the Indians.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Look, I'm not arguing about your colony anymore, but if you depict the Indians as all peaceful, that's just as racist as calling them all injun savages. They were people and some tribes wouldn't like the intrusion these new people would make.

What intrusion? We settled on an uninhabited island and give the Indians lots of goods for the fur trade. What reason would they have to break the valuable fur trade, as randomly out of nowhere attack a settlement. The Indians aren't the Khanates of Asia, who plunder for the sake of plundering and don't think twice, the Indians have enough brains to know this fur trade is benefiting them, and what reason would they have to attack if they are being benefitted by my colony? The Indians could start a fight or two, but usually that's with nations that take a giant chunk of their land and treat them like shit. The Dutch are a small settlement that gives the Indians valuable goods for valuable fur. Indians are not that quick to go to war. Every Indian attack or war is usually provoked for some negative reason by a European power, and The Dutch have done nothing bad to the Indians.

War with the Dutch would be profitable for them. They raze your colony and loot all your European goods, keep the fur, and then take the island for themselves.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

What intrusion? We settled on an uninhabited island and give the Indians lots of goods for the fur trade. What reason would they have to break the valuable fur trade, as randomly out of nowhere attack a settlement. The Indians aren't the Khanates of Asia, who plunder for the sake of plundering and don't think twice, the Indians have enough brains to know this fur trade is benefiting them, and what reason would they have to attack if they are being benefitted by my colony? The Indians could start a fight or two, but usually that's with nations that take a giant chunk of their land and treat them like shit. The Dutch are a small settlement that gives the Indians valuable goods for valuable fur. Indians are not that quick to go to war. Every Indian attack or war is usually provoked for some negative reason by a European power, and The Dutch have done nothing bad to the Indians.

War with the Dutch would be profitable for them. They raze your colony and loot all your European goods, keep the fur, and then take the island for themselves.

And loose countless warriors.

[Kengburg]

What intrusion? We settled on an uninhabited island and give the Indians lots of goods for the fur trade. What reason would they have to break the valuable fur trade, as randomly out of nowhere attack a settlement. The Indians aren't the Khanates of Asia, who plunder for the sake of plundering and don't think twice, the Indians have enough brains to know this fur trade is benefiting them, and what reason would they have to attack if they are being benefitted by my colony? The Indians could start a fight or two, but usually that's with nations that take a giant chunk of their land and treat them like shit. The Dutch are a small settlement that gives the Indians valuable goods for valuable fur. Indians are not that quick to go to war. Every Indian attack or war is usually provoked for some negative reason by a European power, and The Dutch have done nothing bad to the Indians.

War with the Dutch would be profitable for them. They raze your colony and loot all your European goods, keep the fur, and then take the island for themselves.

They do not have arquebuses, we do, the sheer sound of the gunpowder would send them flying back to their villages in fear, not to mention when they see what a round does on human flesh.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

War with the Dutch would be profitable for them. They raze your colony and loot all your European goods, keep the fur, and then take the island for themselves.

And loose countless warriors.

They can surprise attack them by night.

[Kengburg]

And loose countless warriors.

They can surprise attack them by night.

We have guards posted on the wall around the settlement, and like I said, we have arquebuses, they don't.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

And loose countless warriors.

They can surprise attack them by night.

Do you know why Wall Street is called such?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

They can surprise attack them by night.

We have guards posted on the wall around the settlement, and like I said, we have arquebuses, they don't.

What is an arequebus?

They can surprise attack them by night.

Do you know why Wall Street is called such?

Yes. There was/is a wall there.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Ok. Sorry for the delay. I posted my first post as Denmark, and here is the map including my nation. -> http://i.imgur.com/5YODb7f.png
I had an issue with the map, because Denmarkwasn't "Denmark" till during the 1600s, not 1500s. During the 1500s, it was a union between Denmark and Norway, so I wasn't sure how much land I could claim for my nation (maybe the OP could decide on the matter).

[Dires]

You guys need to stop making guns seem like the be all end all. In this era, they're hardly better than bows, especially since they weren't very accurate. Their main power came from shooting en mass. Once the Indians got use to it, it wouldn't save a few colonists from thousands of Natives. Honestly though, can we end this conversation and get back to Eurasia-Africa?

[Kengburg]

We have guards posted on the wall around the settlement, and like I said, we have arquebuses, they don't.

What is an arequebus?

Do you know why Wall Street is called such?

Yes. There was/is a wall there.

How do you not know what an arquebus is, if you are playing an RP in the 1500's ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebus

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

What is an arequebus?


Yes. There was/is a wall there.

How do you not know what an arquebus is, if you are playing an RP in the 1500's ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebus

Oh yeah, like someone playing as the Mamluk Sultanate needs to know about a Dutch musket. Totally.

[Kengburg]

One question. How would the Indians even get past my walls? They do not have siege machinery, and were barely able to capture villages that just had spiked fences around them, and this is a whole damn earthen wall.

[Kengburg]

How do you not know what an arquebus is, if you are playing an RP in the 1500's ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebus

Oh yeah, like someone playing as the Mamluk Sultanate needs to know about a Dutch musket. Totally.

Musket? The arquebus is anything but a musket. Muskets do not exist in the 1500's, arquebuses do, they were the father of the musket. Did you even read the article? Arquebuses are not Dutch either, they were used in the Ottoman Empire, Japan, Spain, and a long list of other countries. Hernando Cortez conquered the Aztects largely due to the arquebus. Next time at least read the article before you bring out the arrogant sarcasm.

[Valentir]

Hi everyone, what gone on? Anything Important I should know about?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Hi everyone, what gone on? Anything Important I should know about?

Lithuania is trying to convert to Islam.

[Valentir]

Hi everyone, what gone on? Anything Important I should know about?

Lithuania is trying to convert to Islam.

Okay. No, thats just really stupid and unrealistic. But before I remove him does anyone object? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

[Riserland]

Hi everyone, what gone on? Anything Important I should know about?

I just invaded Navarre (btw since nobody is going to take such a small irrelevant kingdom who is going to Rp that? I could do the whole thing myself if necessary.)

[Dires]

Give him an ultimatum, if he refuses, kick him