RP of the 1500's {OOC/ Open}

[Prusseuss]

what has happened since I last posted?

[Kengburg]

Lithuania, any nation converting to Islam in Europe outside of the Baltics is so unrealistic that I suggest you are immediately escorted outside of the thread by security.

[States of Yugoslavia]

Lithuania, any nation converting to Islam in Europe outside of the Baltics is so unrealistic that I suggest you are immediately escorted outside of the thread by security.

I think he is butthurt since he can't be orthodox one
The Poland, Lithuania and Spain were known for "big" Catholics. If some Polish/Lithuanian king did that, he would be hang.

[States of Yugoslavia]

And just if he asks, HOW could I convert to Roman Catholic:

Easy, most of population in Bosnia and Croatia was under influence of West and Hungary, so a lot of population is Catholic, rather than Orthodox, even if Tomasevic dynasty was orthodox.

[Dires]

Darn it, I'm not inspired anymore and my written seems out of place... Someone invade me or something. Or better yet, something that doesn't destroy my nation, how about something like first contact or diplo with China?

I'll include you in my next post

[Dires]

And how the hell is your colony still around Dutch guy? And profitable? It could take years for a settlement start trading, and decades for it to be profitable.

When you are the only settlement in the New World, and selling many furs, it is bound to be profitable. Plus the Dutch Government only funded the colonists with a carrack, so not much investment was put in the first place, yet the Dutch still make extensive profits off or tarriffs. What do you men my how my colony is still around? It was mostly destroyed in a fire (attack by Indians), then recovered.

lol...You make furs sound as valuable as silk. You do know that the only reason furs were so valuable later on is because by the 18th century, so many animals had been killed off in Europe.

[Kengburg]

When you are the only settlement in the New World, and selling many furs, it is bound to be profitable. Plus the Dutch Government only funded the colonists with a carrack, so not much investment was put in the first place, yet the Dutch still make extensive profits off or tarriffs. What do you men my how my colony is still around? It was mostly destroyed in a fire (attack by Indians), then recovered.

lol...You make furs sound as valuable as silk. You do know that the only reason furs were so valuable later on is because by the 18th century, so many animals had been killed off in Europe.

Furs were as valuable as silk (almost), by the 1500s, fur supply was already running low in Europe, and did not even compare to the potential of North American fur industry. Due to the almost unlimited access to fur in the New World, prices would go down to maybe a fourth of what it was in Europe, and in turn causing merchants to sail to the New World, buy a bunch of fur from my settlers, then returning to Europe and making a huge profit of the fur, especially beaver. Fur was not a common thing in Europe, that is why you do not see your average citizen wearing a fur coat or hat in the 1500s-1600s.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

lol...You make furs sound as valuable as silk. You do know that the only reason furs were so valuable later on is because by the 18th century, so many animals had been killed off in Europe.

Furs were as valuable as silk (almost), by the 1500s, fur supply was already running low in Europe, and did not even compare to the potential of North American fur industry. Due to the almost unlimited access to fur in the New World, prices would go down to maybe a fourth of what it was in Europe, and in turn causing merchants to sail to the New World, buy a bunch of fur from my settlers, then returning to Europe and making a huge profit of the fur, especially beaver. Fur was not a common thing in Europe, that is why you do not see your average citizen wearing a fur coat or hat in the 1500s-1600s.

1:You cannot hunt fur on a large scale when the natives are trying to kill your settlers.

2:How would the European merchants even know about your colony?

3:If a bunch of merchants actually DID come to your colony and bring fur back to Europe, that would flood the market with it and cause a major price drop.

[Dires]

I thought we agreed to wipe out New Amsterdam by plague? No way anybody could reach North America and have enough supplies to survive and make it back.

[Dires]

Also, are we really going to just let Lithuania convert to Islam? Sounds sketchy, there had better be large scale revolution in his country if that's the case.

[Kengburg]

Furs were as valuable as silk (almost), by the 1500s, fur supply was already running low in Europe, and did not even compare to the potential of North American fur industry. Due to the almost unlimited access to fur in the New World, prices would go down to maybe a fourth of what it was in Europe, and in turn causing merchants to sail to the New World, buy a bunch of fur from my settlers, then returning to Europe and making a huge profit of the fur, especially beaver. Fur was not a common thing in Europe, that is why you do not see your average citizen wearing a fur coat or hat in the 1500s-1600s.

1:You cannot hunt fur on a large scale when the natives are trying to kill your settlers.

2:How would the European merchants even know about your colony?

3:If a bunch of merchants actually DID come to your colony and bring fur back to Europe, that would flood the market with it and cause a major price drop.

1: Natives are not trying to kill my settlers, I buy furs from them, we are really good allies if anything. That one burning of the village was done by a small group of probably drunken indians, it does not represent my relations with all the tribes.

2: I would tell them, obviously.

3: By a bunch of fur I do not mean like enough fur to utterly collapse the prices of the European Fur Trade, I meant more like a substantial amount of fur.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Also, are we really going to just let Lithuania convert to Islam? Sounds sketchy, there had better be large scale revolution in his country if that's the case.

I myself kinda hesitated to support it.

[Kengburg]

I thought we agreed to wipe out New Amsterdam by plague? No way anybody could reach North America and have enough supplies to survive and make it back.

Christopher Columbus traveled to the Carribbean, which is even further from Spain than Nieuw-Amsterdam from the Dutch. You are obviously very uneducated when it comes to North American colonialism, the average journey from Europe to the New World only took two months, ships were able to carry around three to four months of supplies. And I timed the settlement fairly, waiting three months of IC posts to state my arrival. I even burned down half the goddam village since you couldn't stop whining about it. So please quiet down and get your complaining over with, I did everything fairly and properly, I do not need any of your flimsy complaints. I have waited one and a half years of IC posts to finally get the colony up and running, which is more than generous. The OP even said I was allowed to colonize the Americas, and the OP rulings are the rulings of God (sometimes).

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

NS Nation:Inesea
RP Nation: Grand Duchy of Lithuania
Government Type: Duchy
Religion: Orthodox Christianity
Currency: Ruble and Kopeck
Population: 4,500,000
Leader: Duke Oleg
Army Size: (Cannot go over 5% during peace)
100,000

[Dires]

I thought we agreed to wipe out New Amsterdam by plague? No way anybody could reach North America and have enough supplies to survive and make it back.

Christopher Columbus traveled to the Carribbean, which is even further from Spain than Nieuw-Amsterdam from the Dutch. You are obviously very uneducated when it comes to North American colonialism, the average journey from Europe to the New World only took two months, ships were able to carry around three to four months of supplies. And I timed the settlement fairly, waiting three months of IC posts to state my arrival. I even burned down half the goddam village since you couldn't stop whining about it. So please quiet down and get your complaining over with, I did everything fairly and properly, I do not need any of your flimsy complaints. I have waited one and a half years of IC posts to finally get the colony up and running, which is more than generous. The OP even said I was allowed to colonize the Americas, and the OP rulings are the rulings of God (sometimes).

Lol now you're including ad hominem attacks? What makes you think that once you got there, the Indians would be peaceful? Furthermore, you referred to drunk Indians, are you now trading alcohol on mass with them?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Christopher Columbus traveled to the Carribbean, which is even further from Spain than Nieuw-Amsterdam from the Dutch. You are obviously very uneducated when it comes to North American colonialism, the average journey from Europe to the New World only took two months, ships were able to carry around three to four months of supplies. And I timed the settlement fairly, waiting three months of IC posts to state my arrival. I even burned down half the goddam village since you couldn't stop whining about it. So please quiet down and get your complaining over with, I did everything fairly and properly, I do not need any of your flimsy complaints. I have waited one and a half years of IC posts to finally get the colony up and running, which is more than generous. The OP even said I was allowed to colonize the Americas, and the OP rulings are the rulings of God (sometimes).

Lol now you're including ad hominem attacks? What makes you think that once you got there, the Indians would be peaceful? Furthermore, you referred to drunk Indians, are you now trading alcohol on mass with them?

North American Indians were peaceful so long as you payed them for the lands and didn't go out raping and pillaging.

[Dires]

Anyway, I wash my hands of the New Amsterdam question, I think we should focus more on Lithuania's attempt to convert to Islam.

[Kengburg]

Christopher Columbus traveled to the Carribbean, which is even further from Spain than Nieuw-Amsterdam from the Dutch. You are obviously very uneducated when it comes to North American colonialism, the average journey from Europe to the New World only took two months, ships were able to carry around three to four months of supplies. And I timed the settlement fairly, waiting three months of IC posts to state my arrival. I even burned down half the goddam village since you couldn't stop whining about it. So please quiet down and get your complaining over with, I did everything fairly and properly, I do not need any of your flimsy complaints. I have waited one and a half years of IC posts to finally get the colony up and running, which is more than generous. The OP even said I was allowed to colonize the Americas, and the OP rulings are the rulings of God (sometimes).

Lol now you're including ad hominem attacks? What makes you think that once you got there, the Indians would be peaceful? Furthermore, you referred to drunk Indians, are you now trading alcohol on mass with them?

Indians like product from Europe, we trade them product from Europe for fur and settle a relatively unoccupied island on the mouth of the Hudson. Why would they hate us? Beer and Rum were brought with the ship (as stated in the post of it sailing from Amsterdam), some were traded with the Indians, and then a small band of twenty drunken indians decided to throw torches in the town walls, lighting fire to the town, and since they were so few of the Indian tribes members, the tribes don't hate us and probably offered us help in rebuilding the town.

[Liberated Counties]

Anyway, I wash my hands of the New Amsterdam question, I think we should focus more on Lithuania's attempt to convert to Islam.

I say let him do it, atleast we won't have to walk that far when we're crusading

[Kengburg]

Anyway, I wash my hands of the New Amsterdam question, I think we should focus more on Lithuania's attempt to convert to Islam.

Yes, I believe Lithuania should be replaced if he keeps up with the Islam nonsense, as it is totally the opposite of what Lithuania would do, and his population and army would rebel if he dared convert to Islam.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Anyway, I wash my hands of the New Amsterdam question, I think we should focus more on Lithuania's attempt to convert to Islam.

There is already Lithuanian Nation? Drats

NEW APP

NS Nation:Inesea
RP Nation:Denmark
Government Type: Monarchy
Religion: Protestant
Currency: Kroner
Population: 600,000
Leader: Christian the II
Army Size: (Cannot go over 5% during peace) 20,000

Or, I can take over Lithuania. I hear he has been causing troubles.

[Kengburg]

Inesia, just wait until Lithuania is out the door if you wish, it will be only a day or two I expect.

[Dires]

lol perhaps, We need to wait for the OP to show first.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Lol now you're including ad hominem attacks? What makes you think that once you got there, the Indians would be peaceful? Furthermore, you referred to drunk Indians, are you now trading alcohol on mass with them?

Indians like product from Europe, we trade them product from Europe for fur and settle a relatively unoccupied island on the mouth of the Hudson. Why would they hate us? Beer and Rum were brought with the ship (as stated in the post of it sailing from Amsterdam), some were traded with the Indians, and then a small band of twenty drunken indians decided to throw torches in the town walls, lighting fire to the town, and since they were so few of the Indian tribes members, the tribes don't hate us and probably offered us help in rebuilding the town.

The native tribes were vicious and warlike. They would not suddenly become peaceful cuz you give em alchehol. That would make them more blood crazed and unpredictable.

[Kengburg]

Indians like product from Europe, we trade them product from Europe for fur and settle a relatively unoccupied island on the mouth of the Hudson. Why would they hate us? Beer and Rum were brought with the ship (as stated in the post of it sailing from Amsterdam), some were traded with the Indians, and then a small band of twenty drunken indians decided to throw torches in the town walls, lighting fire to the town, and since they were so few of the Indian tribes members, the tribes don't hate us and probably offered us help in rebuilding the town.

The native tribes were vicious and warlike. They would not suddenly become peaceful cuz you give em alchehol. That would make them more blood crazed and unpredictable.

One or two barrels of alcholhol does not mean the whole tribe goes crazy, and your stereotype of the "Vicious and Warlike Injuns!" is very, very, far from the truth. The Native Americans traded with Europeans ever since their arrival in North America, and have fought on the side of some Europeans as seen in many conflicts in history. They were capable of trade, and knew it's benefits. They were not simply "Injun Savages!", as the most Native Americans have been depicted as mild mannered and pleasant in trading situations, the only time violence ever occurred is when pillaging or annexation was done by the Europeans.