A World Without America(OOC)

[Epraria]

I'm reserving British America, and if no one object's I'll claim an early-unified German Empire, with the German Empire's European territories circa 1900 as its claims.

So I take it nobody disapproves?

I disapprove. The nationalism that started to unite germany is still in it's infancy so in reality germany would realistically still be a bunch of states dominated by Prussia and Austria.

[Unicario]

So I take it nobody disapproves?

I disapprove. The nationalism that started to unite germany is still in it's infancy so in reality germany would realistically still be a bunch of states dominated by Prussia and Austria.

But with no Napoleon, The HRE is likely to stay united. Austria would likely never join a full union, so all the other HRE states united to form Germany.

[Epraria]

I disapprove. The nationalism that started to unite germany is still in it's infancy so in reality germany would realistically still be a bunch of states dominated by Prussia and Austria.

But with no Napoleon, The HRE is likely to stay united. Austria would likely never join a full union, so all the other HRE states united to form Germany.

Ok never mind the HRE has lost most of it's power since the 30 years war and that Austria is mostly the emperor and that Germany is still divided between catholic and protestant. Well I am just going to say to you guys that if you leave central Asia to me Russia won't bother with you guys.

[Shrillland]

I disapprove. The nationalism that started to unite germany is still in it's infancy so in reality germany would realistically still be a bunch of states dominated by Prussia and Austria.

But with no Napoleon, The HRE is likely to stay united. Austria would likely never join a full union, so all the other HRE states united to form Germany.

I doubt there would be no Napoleon. Just because the American revolution fails does not necessarily mean others would do the same, especially if the army's on your side, as it was in France for the most part. I think other revolutions would've still succeeded where America failed. Besides, without the Napoleonic wars and Haitian independence, Britain wouldn't gain Louisiana. As for Burma, I was thinking Japan and the EIC would split it down the middle by the time part two begins.

[Ruridova]

We're in a universe where there was no Sengoku period(that's several centuries historical difference here) and bringing in German nationalism a few decades early is ridiculous? If we have a Napoleon, Prussia can unify Germany by conquering the Confederation of the Rhine for its own during his fall. If we don't then we bring in early German nationalism and republicanism, have a North German Union of some sort form, and have that condense into the German Empire.

[Unicario]

We're in a universe where there was no Sengoku period(that's several centuries historical difference here) and bringing in German nationalism a few decades early is ridiculous? If we have a Napoleon, Prussia can unify Germany by conquering the Confederation of the Rhine for its own during his fall. If we don't then we bring in early German nationalism and republicanism, have a North German Union of some sort form, and have that condense into the German Empire.

This, I support his claim to having a unified Germany. Perhaps not to the same level as German Empire's "Prussians with more land", but perhaps a real Germany.

But with no Napoleon, The HRE is likely to stay united. Austria would likely never join a full union, so all the other HRE states united to form Germany.

I doubt there would be no Napoleon. Just because the American revolution fails does not necessarily mean others would do the same, especially if the army's on your side, as it was in France for the most part. I think other revolutions would've still succeeded where America failed. Besides, without the Napoleonic wars and Haitian independence, Britain wouldn't gain Louisiana. As for Burma, I was thinking Japan and the EIC would split it down the middle by the time part two begins.

O_O Wow, more land for Japan? What about Dutch Ceylon and Dutch Cape, would they still get Anglicized?

[Ruridova]

We're in a universe where there was no Sengoku period(that's several centuries historical difference here) and bringing in German nationalism a few decades early is ridiculous? If we have a Napoleon, Prussia can unify Germany by conquering the Confederation of the Rhine for its own during his fall. If we don't then we bring in early German nationalism and republicanism, have a North German Union of some sort form, and have that condense into the German Empire.

This, I support his claim to having a unified Germany. Perhaps not to the same level as German Empire's "Prussians with more land", but perhaps a real Germany.

I'm not sure if I want to use the actual Imperial Banner(based off of Prussia and the Hanseatic League) or the current German Nationaleflagge(which was used by German unionists and republicans). Or some combo thereof.

I doubt there would be no Napoleon. Just because the American revolution fails does not necessarily mean others would do the same, especially if the army's on your side, as it was in France for the most part. I think other revolutions would've still succeeded where America failed. Besides, without the Napoleonic wars and Haitian independence, Britain wouldn't gain Louisiana. As for Burma, I was thinking Japan and the EIC would split it down the middle by the time part two begins.

O_O Wow, more land for Japan? What about Dutch Ceylon and Dutch Cape, would they still get Anglicized?

I'd call you overpowered but British America will be fucking humongous and by the 1800s Britain had a fucking huge empire too.

[Shrillland]

We're in a universe where there was no Sengoku period(that's several centuries historical difference here) and bringing in German nationalism a few decades early is ridiculous? If we have a Napoleon, Prussia can unify Germany by conquering the Confederation of the Rhine for its own during his fall. If we don't then we bring in early German nationalism and republicanism, have a North German Union of some sort form, and have that condense into the German Empire.

This, I support his claim to having a unified Germany. Perhaps not to the same level as German Empire's "Prussians with more land", but perhaps a real Germany.

I doubt there would be no Napoleon. Just because the American revolution fails does not necessarily mean others would do the same, especially if the army's on your side, as it was in France for the most part. I think other revolutions would've still succeeded where America failed. Besides, without the Napoleonic wars and Haitian independence, Britain wouldn't gain Louisiana. As for Burma, I was thinking Japan and the EIC would split it down the middle by the time part two begins.

O_O Wow, more land for Japan? What about Dutch Ceylon and Dutch Cape, would they still get Anglicized?

They shall. South Africa's an integral part of Imperial history, especially when-and if- we reach what I call "the twin colossus" period.

[Unicario]

This, I support his claim to having a unified Germany. Perhaps not to the same level as German Empire's "Prussians with more land", but perhaps a real Germany.



O_O Wow, more land for Japan? What about Dutch Ceylon and Dutch Cape, would they still get Anglicized?

They shall. South Africa's an integral part of Imperial history, especially when-and if- we reach what I call "the twin colossus" period.

I asked because of map. Okayden. /skurries off to update the map/

This, I support his claim to having a unified Germany. Perhaps not to the same level as German Empire's "Prussians with more land", but perhaps a real Germany.

I'm not sure if I want to use the actual Imperial Banner(based off of Prussia and the Hanseatic League) or the current German Nationaleflagge(which was used by German unionists and republicans). Or some combo thereof.

O_O Wow, more land for Japan? What about Dutch Ceylon and Dutch Cape, would they still get Anglicized?

I'd call you overpowered but British America will be fucking humongous and by the 1800s Britain had a fucking huge empire too.

Is true. Japan's a smaller empire compared to everyone else by 1830. She'll be a naval and trading juggernaut, but land-wise? She could do with more lebensraum. /eyes Siam hungrily/

[Ruridova]

So I take it that role play leadership approves my application as an early-unified Germany?

They shall. South Africa's an integral part of Imperial history, especially when-and if- we reach what I call "the twin colossus" period.

I asked because of map. Okayden. /skurries off to update the map/

I'm not sure if I want to use the actual Imperial Banner(based off of Prussia and the Hanseatic League) or the current German Nationaleflagge(which was used by German unionists and republicans). Or some combo thereof.
I'd call you overpowered but British America will be fucking humongous and by the 1800s Britain had a fucking huge empire too.

Is true. Japan's a smaller empire compared to everyone else by 1830. She'll be a naval and trading juggernaut, but land-wise? She could do with more lebensraum. /eyes Siam hungrily/

Siam was actually a Japanese ally if I remember correctly.

[Unicario]

So I take it that role play leadership approves my application as an early-unified Germany?

I asked because of map. Okayden. /skurries off to update the map/



Is true. Japan's a smaller empire compared to everyone else by 1830. She'll be a naval and trading juggernaut, but land-wise? She could do with more lebensraum. /eyes Siam hungrily/

Siam was actually a Japanese ally if I remember correctly.

Yeah, well, in this TL, indeed, Siam is part of the Asian Trading Alliance, but Japan is trying to feverishly influence Siam to becoming like Laos and Khmer -- A tributary state basically wallowing at Japan's feet.

[Unicario]

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Ta-da.

But with no Napoleon, The HRE is likely to stay united. Austria would likely never join a full union, so all the other HRE states united to form Germany.

Ok never mind the HRE has lost most of it's power since the 30 years war and that Austria is mostly the emperor and that Germany is still divided between catholic and protestant. Well I am just going to say to you guys that if you leave central Asia to me Russia won't bother with you guys.

Britain will probably resist you, because you know that Britain doesn't really like Russia getting powerful.

[Shrillland]

http://goput.it/mso.png
Ta-da.

Ok never mind the HRE has lost most of it's power since the 30 years war and that Austria is mostly the emperor and that Germany is still divided between catholic and protestant. Well I am just going to say to you guys that if you leave central Asia to me Russia won't bother with you guys.

Britain will probably resist you, because you know that Britain doesn't really like Russia getting powerful.

That probably won't be until part three. I'm splitting the American conflict into two parts. One where Britain is able to halt the northern and Canadian rebellions and culminate in the Durham report(which will include America as well), and another in the 1860's when Britain is finally able to destroy the southern nation. As for the west(California, Texas etc,) I'm not quite sure what to do with them yet.

[Unicario]

A gift from me ^^

The end date and length of war will probably not look like that, but it's just something

I also put Korea and America on the same side because their revolutions started about the same time, and both were fighting against Japan and Britain, who mutually agreed to put some upstart motherfuckas in they place.

[Shrillland]

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A gift from me ^^

The end date and length of war will probably not look like that, but it's just something

I also put Korea and America on the same side because their revolutions started about the same time, and both were fighting against Japan and Britain, who mutually agreed to put some upstart motherfuckas in they place.

Oh thank you so much! It's beautiful work.

[Ruridova]

So here's how I'm thinking we justify a united Germany:
During the Napoleonic Wars the Confederation of the Rhine successfully defeats Prussia and any other German resistance and thus becomes a unified Germany; however it is dissolved by the Congress of Vienna, and replaced with several smaller states(Rhineland, Saarland, Hesse, Hannover, Schwelsig-Holstein, Westphalia, Thuringia, Baden, Wurttemburg, Bavaria, Saxony, Anhalt-Brunswick, Mecklenburg, Brandenburg, Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia, Posen). These nations form a League of the Germanies. Austria is either not invited or refuses to join. The League remains a union until the mid-1820s when the Frankfurt Congress is called and a unified German Empire is declared. Not sure yet who'd be Kaiser but someone would. Also the monarchy might be elective. There will be a weakish Bundestag with a Chancellor, and a Lord-Protector appointed by the Kaiser.

[Unicario]

So here's how I'm thinking we justify a united Germany:
During the Napoleonic Wars the Confederation of the Rhine successfully defeats Prussia and any other German resistance and thus becomes a unified Germany; however it is dissolved by the Congress of Vienna, and replaced with several smaller states(Rhineland, Saarland, Hesse, Hannover, Schwelsig-Holstein, Westphalia, Thuringia, Baden, Wurttemburg, Bavaria, Saxony, Anhalt-Brunswick, Mecklenburg, Brandenburg, Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia, Posen). These nations form a League of the Germanies. Austria is either not invited or refuses to join. The League remains a union until the mid-1820s when the Frankfurt Congress is called and a unified German Empire is declared. Not sure yet who'd be Kaiser but someone would. Also the monarchy might be elective. There will be a weakish Bundestag with a Chancellor, and a Lord-Protector appointed by the Kaiser.

Nooooooooooooooooo. Fuck. /me slips the Hohenzollerns away in a sack and sets them up as land-holders in Burma/ You don't want these Hohenzollerns, they're... tainted.

[Ruridova]

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A gift from me ^^

The end date and length of war will probably not look like that, but it's just something

I also put Korea and America on the same side because their revolutions started about the same time, and both were fighting against Japan and Britain, who mutually agreed to put some upstart motherfuckas in they place.

Very nice! We might consider creating a wiki on these RPs. It worked well for a WW1 RP I was in.

So here's how I'm thinking we justify a united Germany:
During the Napoleonic Wars the Confederation of the Rhine successfully defeats Prussia and any other German resistance and thus becomes a unified Germany; however it is dissolved by the Congress of Vienna, and replaced with several smaller states(Rhineland, Saarland, Hesse, Hannover, Schwelsig-Holstein, Westphalia, Thuringia, Baden, Wurttemburg, Bavaria, Saxony, Anhalt-Brunswick, Mecklenburg, Brandenburg, Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia, Posen). These nations form a League of the Germanies. Austria is either not invited or refuses to join. The League remains a union until the mid-1820s when the Frankfurt Congress is called and a unified German Empire is declared. Not sure yet who'd be Kaiser but someone would. Also the monarchy might be elective. There will be a weakish Bundestag with a Chancellor, and a Lord-Protector appointed by the Kaiser.

Nooooooooooooooooo. Fuck. /me slips the Hohenzollerns away in a sack and sets them up as land-holders in Burma/

What?

[Shrillland]

So here's how I'm thinking we justify a united Germany:
During the Napoleonic Wars the Confederation of the Rhine successfully defeats Prussia and any other German resistance and thus becomes a unified Germany; however it is dissolved by the Congress of Vienna, and replaced with several smaller states(Rhineland, Saarland, Hesse, Hannover, Schwelsig-Holstein, Westphalia, Thuringia, Baden, Wurttemburg, Bavaria, Saxony, Anhalt-Brunswick, Mecklenburg, Brandenburg, Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia, Posen). These nations form a League of the Germanies. Austria is either not invited or refuses to join. The League remains a union until the mid-1820s when the Frankfurt Congress is called and a unified German Empire is declared. Not sure yet who'd be Kaiser but someone would. Also the monarchy might be elective. There will be a weakish Bundestag with a Chancellor, and a Lord-Protector appointed by the Kaiser.

Nooooooooooooooooo. Fuck. /me slips the Hohenzollerns away in a sack and sets them up as land-holders in Burma/ You don't want these Hohenzollerns, they're... tainted.

Be careful Uni, we don't want a repeat of last time.

[Unicario]

Nooooooooooooooooo. Fuck. /me slips the Hohenzollerns away in a sack and sets them up as land-holders in Burma/ You don't want these Hohenzollerns, they're... tainted.

Be careful Uni, we don't want a repeat of last time.

I won't blow Frederick the Great up with gunpowder, and I won't make Japan's monarch the King of Prussia. I'm not that cruel.

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A gift from me ^^

The end date and length of war will probably not look like that, but it's just something

I also put Korea and America on the same side because their revolutions started about the same time, and both were fighting against Japan and Britain, who mutually agreed to put some upstart motherfuckas in they place.

Very nice! We might consider creating a wiki on these RPs. It worked well for a WW1 RP I was in.

Nooooooooooooooooo. Fuck. /me slips the Hohenzollerns away in a sack and sets them up as land-holders in Burma/

What?

The Hohenzollerns are my favorite European dynasty ;.;

[Arumdaum]

Oh my. Is Tawantinsuyu open?

[Ruridova]

Oh my. Is Tawantinsuyu open?

We've never had a Spain or Peru to claim them..

Be careful Uni, we don't want a repeat of last time.

I won't blow Frederick the Great up with gunpowder, and I won't make Japan's monarch the King of Prussia. I'm not that cruel.

Very nice! We might consider creating a wiki on these RPs. It worked well for a WW1 RP I was in.
What?

The Hohenzollerns are my favorite European dynasty ;.;

They'll live through Prussian conquest, and return to be kings of the very scaled down Prussia. And thus German nobles, and since I'm leaning for elected monarchy, their head will be a candidate for Kaiser.

[Shrillland]

Oh my. Is Tawantinsuyu open?

The Incas? They've been conquered by Spain...on the other hand, if you make the history convincing, go ahead and apply.

[Unicario]

Oh my. Is Tawantinsuyu open?

We've never had a Spain or Peru to claim them..

I won't blow Frederick the Great up with gunpowder, and I won't make Japan's monarch the King of Prussia. I'm not that cruel.



The Hohenzollerns are my favorite European dynasty ;.;

They'll live through Prussian conquest, and return to be kings of the very scaled down Prussia. And thus German nobles, and since I'm leaning for elected monarchy, their head will be a candidate for Kaiser.

well, uh, fuck. Then happy trails with Wilhelm II "Crazier than George III" von Hohenzollern.

[Arumdaum]

Oh my. Is Tawantinsuyu open?

The Incas? They've been conquered by Spain...on the other hand, if you make the history convincing, go ahead and apply.

Great. I'll write one up when I'm back from school.