A World Without America(OOC)

[Epraria]

COATS OF ARMS OF CANADA AND AMERICA

LESSER
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GREATER
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THE UNITED STATES OF CANADA AND AMERICA
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PROVINCES(STATES)
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Vermont
New York
Pennsylvania
Maryland
Delaware
New Jersey
Virginia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Mississippi
East Florida
Ohio
Illinois
Kentucky
Ontario
Quebec
New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Prince Edward Island
British Columbia
Manitoba
Michigan
Newfoundland
Labrador
DISTRICTS(TERRITORIES)
Minnesota
Louisiana
Dakota
Keewatin
Saskatchewan
Alberta
Yukon
Oregon
West Florida

Large area. Plus I reserve Russia for the next rp ok guys?

[Unicario]

Of my two nations I RP:

1. Netherlands:
The Netherlands will have effective hegemony over Malaya and Indonesia thanks to the Asian Trading Zone, which allows China, Britain, Japan and the Dutch free hand in Asian colonialism, along with Fiji, who is protected by the same ATZ. They will also own Belgium and Luxembourg (I expect the Hapsburgs to wane in the next 70 years.)

2. Japan:
Japan's empire will expand some more, with effective hegemony over the affairs of Vietnam, Laos and the Khmer. Siam will be hard-pressed to keep Japan and Britain from carving her up. Japan will control Saigon politically, and all of Indochine economically (as expected by 70 years of economic imperialism). China will be stronger, and Russia will be less likely to easily bully China into giving up Transamur. Her grasp on Pacific hegemony, and the tech gap between her and Britain will narrow considerably. (Japan may seem OP, but come on, they've been a progressive outward looking empire since the 16th century. C'MOOOOOOON.)

As per her negotiations with Britain for the aid given during the American Revolution, Japan will also control what is now Singapore, and thus the Strait of Malacca.

[Shrillland]

Certainly. Anyone in this one can reserve their country for the next one.

[Epraria]

Well I will either play as an Russia that is Russia at it's peak except for transmur. And unicairo Japan has not been outwards looking since the 16th century. They where still in the sengoku period then. Well anyway I would either be a Russia that has conquered central Asia and it's territories at it's height. Russia has also because of the threat of china and Japan increased priority on ground forces and is now a ,military powerhouse with few able to stand against it on the ground and the ones who do will be for a long a grueling conflict where Russian iron determination will grind the enemy to dust unless you are china because of their numbers and britain because of their navy.( It's Russia what do you except?) Or I will play as an stronger Austria.

[Ruridova]

Of my two nations I RP:

1. Netherlands:
The Netherlands will have effective hegemony over Malaya and Indonesia thanks to the Asian Trading Zone, which allows China, Britain, Japan and the Dutch free hand in Asian colonialism, along with Fiji, who is protected by the same ATZ. They will also own Belgium and Luxembourg (I expect the Hapsburgs to wane in the next 70 years.)

2. Japan:
Japan's empire will expand some more, with effective hegemony over the affairs of Vietnam, Laos and the Khmer. Siam will be hard-pressed to keep Japan and Britain from carving her up. Japan will control Saigon politically, and all of Indochine economically (as expected by 70 years of economic imperialism). China will be stronger, and Russia will be less likely to easily bully China into giving up Transamur. Her grasp on Pacific hegemony, and the tech gap between her and Britain will narrow considerably. (Japan may seem OP, but come on, they've been a progressive outward looking empire since the 16th century. C'MOOOOOOON.)

As per her negotiations with Britain for the aid given during the American Revolution, Japan will also control what is now Singapore, and thus the Strait of Malacca.

Might be fun for me to play as a united Siam-Cambodia-Laos-Myanmar-Malaysia and try to hold you guys off either with alliances or war.

[Epraria]

Would an Russia that is at it's height in size except for transmur and with the worlds strongest or second strongest ground forces acceptable?

[Unicario]

Well I will either play as an Russia that is Russia at it's peak except for transmur. And unicairo Japan has not been outwards looking since the 16th century. They where still in the sengoku period then. Well anyway I would either be a Russia that has conquered central Asia and it's territories at it's height. Russia has also because of the threat of china and Japan increased priority on ground forces and is now a ,military powerhouse with few able to stand against it on the ground and the ones who do will be for a long a grueling conflict where Russian iron determination will grind the enemy to dust unless you are china because of their numbers and britain because of their navy.( It's Russia what do you except?) Or I will play as an stronger Austria.

My Japan is alternate history. Japan never went into the Sengoku seclusion, and the Shogunate period was overthrown by the Kemmu Emperor in 1331 like OTL, but instead of falling in 1338, the Imperial Empire remained in control and began outward expansion.

So really, 14th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemmu_restoration

[Epraria]

Well I will either play as an Russia that is Russia at it's peak except for transmur. And unicairo Japan has not been outwards looking since the 16th century. They where still in the sengoku period then. Well anyway I would either be a Russia that has conquered central Asia and it's territories at it's height. Russia has also because of the threat of china and Japan increased priority on ground forces and is now a ,military powerhouse with few able to stand against it on the ground and the ones who do will be for a long a grueling conflict where Russian iron determination will grind the enemy to dust unless you are china because of their numbers and britain because of their navy.( It's Russia what do you except?) Or I will play as an stronger Austria.

My Japan is alternate history. Japan never went into the Sengoku seclusion, and the Shogunate period was overthrown by the Kemmu Emperor in 1331 like OTL, but instead of falling in 1338, the Imperial Empire remained in control and began outward expansion.

So really, 14th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemmu_restoration

Well would you accept if a Russia I make would have the number 1 or 2 ground forces in the world as Russia pressed by a stronger china and Japan takes the lead in ground military innovations and increases the army more?

[Unicario]

My Japan is alternate history. Japan never went into the Sengoku seclusion, and the Shogunate period was overthrown by the Kemmu Emperor in 1331 like OTL, but instead of falling in 1338, the Imperial Empire remained in control and began outward expansion.

So really, 14th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemmu_restoration

Well would you accept if a Russia I make would have the number 1 or 2 ground forces in the world as Russia pressed by a stronger china and Japan takes the lead in ground military innovations and increases the army more?

I wouldn't be fine with you "leading innovations on the ground", but a strong army, that's fine. Japan has no reason to wage war on Russia, and vice versa.

[Epraria]

Well would you accept if a Russia I make would have the number 1 or 2 ground forces in the world as Russia pressed by a stronger china and Japan takes the lead in ground military innovations and increases the army more?

I wouldn't be fine with you "leading innovations on the ground", but a strong army, that's fine. Japan has no reason to wage war on Russia, and vice versa.

How strong would you accept? Stronger than Japan's?

[Fortunagen]

Alright, for the map, Fiji basically controls all of New Zealand, Fiji, Kiribati, French Polynesia, Samoa, New Caledonia, Soloman Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Easter Island, Chile, all of the other small islands in the Pacific near said nations, and hopefully a small portion of Georgia/Florida.

[Epraria]

Alright, for the map, Fiji basically controls all of New Zealand, Fiji, Kiribati, French Polynesia, Samoa, New Caledonia, Soloman Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Easter Island, Chile, all of the other small islands in the Pacific near said nations, and hopefully a small portion of Georgia/Florida.

I find it far fetched with Chile.

[Unicario]

Alright, for the map, Fiji basically controls all of New Zealand, Fiji, Kiribati, French Polynesia, Samoa, New Caledonia, Soloman Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Easter Island, Chile, all of the other small islands in the Pacific near said nations, and hopefully a small portion of Georgia/Florida.

So basically, you control South Pacific's islands, I control North Pacific's islands?

Because, I control the Marianas, Wake, Guam, Midway, Hawaii, and the Marshall Islands/Micronesia plus whatever stuff I missed in that scope.

[Epraria]

So would Russia be stronger on the ground than Japan? If that is ok.

[Unicario]

So would Russia be stronger on the ground than Japan? If that is ok.

More than likely, yeah. Japan doesn't have endless manpower, just lots of resolve, and good allies. Just remember that in order to deploy troops to the Far East, you have the steppes to cross, which are brutal without railroad (Trans-Siberian Railway, which isn't built until the late 19th century).

Also, I realized: The Netherlands will still hold the Cape Colony and Ceylon due to no Napoleon.

EDIT: http://goput.it/wod.png

Preliminary map of the 1830's. Britain, Netherlands, Russia and Japan are all shown.

[1] A bunch of non-descript Carribean Islands carved up amongst the British, French, Dutch and Danes.

[Epraria]

So would Russia be stronger on the ground than Japan? If that is ok.

More than likely, yeah. Japan doesn't have endless manpower, just lots of resolve, and good allies. Just remember that in order to deploy troops to the Far East, you have the steppes to cross, which are brutal without railroad (Trans-Siberian Railway, which isn't built until the late 19th century).

Also, I realized: The Netherlands will still hold the Cape Colony and Ceylon due to no Napoleon.

You should know that more Russian armies have been deployed in the east to protect siberia as Japan and China are bigger threats than in RL but still Russia has to keep an eye on the big threats in prussia, Austria and the ottomans. But anyway Russia really doesnt care about the pacific except to protect Alaska. Russia has other interests.

[Epraria]

Well the caucauss and central Asia will have to secured in the name of the Tsar. But anyway are those small states in the caucauss the chechen?

[Unicario]

Well the caucauss and central Asia will have to secured in the name of the Tsar. But anyway are those small states in the caucauss the chechen?

Probably the Caucausian Emirate.

More than likely, yeah. Japan doesn't have endless manpower, just lots of resolve, and good allies. Just remember that in order to deploy troops to the Far East, you have the steppes to cross, which are brutal without railroad (Trans-Siberian Railway, which isn't built until the late 19th century).

Also, I realized: The Netherlands will still hold the Cape Colony and Ceylon due to no Napoleon.

You should know that more Russian armies have been deployed in the east to protect siberia as Japan and China are bigger threats than in RL but still Russia has to keep an eye on the big threats in prussia, Austria and the ottomans. But anyway Russia really doesnt care about the pacific except to protect Alaska. Russia has other interests.

Just remember Russia has a history of instability. Don't overdeploy to Asia, you'd likely be left weak in Europe, exposed to the fleshy maw of the West.

[Epraria]

That is why lots of russias military is still in the west to protect Moscow. Well anyway the emirates will have to be defeated and central Asia secured. But why did Britain already get all of India? I might sound whiny now as i am already a large nation.

[Unicario]

That is why lots of russias military is still in the west to protect Moscow. Well anyway the emirates will have to be defeated and central Asia secured. But why did Britain already get all of India? I might sound whiny now as i am already a large nation.

Notice the division lines. In India, that means there are princely states under British influence/suzeranity.

[Epraria]

That is why lots of russias military is still in the west to protect Moscow. Well anyway the emirates will have to be defeated and central Asia secured. But why did Britain already get all of India? I might sound whiny now as i am already a large nation.

Notice the division lines. In India, that means there are princely states under British influence/suzeranity.

Ok. Well i still have to plan my plans.

[Fortunagen]

Alright, for the map, Fiji basically controls all of New Zealand, Fiji, Kiribati, French Polynesia, Samoa, New Caledonia, Soloman Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Easter Island, Chile, all of the other small islands in the Pacific near said nations, and hopefully a small portion of Georgia/Florida.

So basically, you control South Pacific's islands, I control North Pacific's islands?

Because, I control the Marianas, Wake, Guam, Midway, Hawaii, and the Marshall Islands/Micronesia plus whatever stuff I missed in that scope.

Yeah, I have pretty much everything south of the Equator over until you reach New Guinea.

[Ruridova]

I'm reserving British America, and if no one object's I'll claim an early-unified German Empire, with the German Empire's European territories circa 1900 as its claims.

[Ruridova]

I'm reserving British America, and if no one object's I'll claim an early-unified German Empire, with the German Empire's European territories circa 1900 as its claims.

So I take it nobody disapproves?

[Ruridova]

Actually it might be more like Protectorate Britain in some ways.