Europa Universalis: New World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Mondrova]

Basically, a guy was told to find a route by sea to China. Following the coast, he did so. Other trade ships followed his steps. Its like Christopher Columbus but he went a different way.

You realize if it were that easy to find India, it would have been done ages ago in RL?

Besides, I still so no reason to let you or anyone have an easy ride to Asia. Like I said, go find it ICly if you want it so bad.

[Novacom]

and would have gotten sunk either by pirates or depending on the timing Abyssinian's, Babylonians and the Timurids almost certainly, that's an incredibly long way to go without supplies which you simply would not have been able to replenish on the way there. If it had been that simple to do in Real life the Americas would likely not have been found for another century, the whole reason Columbus found america was to find another way to Asia which evidently was considered to be west not to the south.

Your in essence arguing against people discovering the Americas and all of the intended colonization.

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[Kerblaekistan]

Basically, a guy was told to find a route by sea to China. Following the coast, he did so. Other trade ships followed his steps. Its like Christopher Columbus but he went a different way.

You realize if it were that easy to find India, it would have been done ages ago in RL?

It was done in real life. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _India.gif

[Kerblaekistan]

and would have gotten sunk either by pirates or depending on the timing Abyssinian's, Babylonians and the Timurids almost certainly, that's an incredibly long way to go without supplies which you simply would not have been able to replenish on the way there. If it had been that simple to do in Real life the Americas would likely not have been found for another century, the whole reason Columbus found america was to find another way to Asia which evidently was considered to be west not to the south.

Your in essence arguing against people discovering the Americas and all of the intended colonization.

Man, I could have swore I said we would have stopovers. I must just be an idiot.

[IndianKelewan]

We need a Tibetan Empire, Pakistan+Afghanistan Empire and Thai/Malay/Whatever Empire. South Asia would be complete then and there would still be room in Indonesia and South West India for colonies.

Also, I agree with Mondrova in a sense. it is far too early for a significant sea presence and would argue that there isn't a need for one seeing as the silk road was never shut down by the Muslims. If people are so dead set on finding India then they need to establish the port system along the African coast that the Dutch did

[Parhe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology ... on_of_Asia

It does not seem much off. It isn't like they are going to start colonizing Asia-or at least from what I know with Bering and Beatus. Even if another nation besides the two found Goguryeo first I wouldn't trade with them really. And depending on Central Asia or Sibir the Silk Road would be open for some at least since Mongolia I was told still supports it.

I am not sure how us postponing the discovery of the Americas largely for OOC ease, that was my reason for supporting it at least, would mean route to Asia is found later.

[Mondrova]

You realize if it were that easy to find India, it would have been done ages ago in RL?

It was done in real life. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _India.gif

I love how you think citing that helps your argument. If you are so willing to follow the original sea routes, then you can wait until 1499 like Da Gama.

[Parhe]

It was done in real life. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _India.gif

I love how you think citing that helps your argument. If you are so willing to follow the original sea routes, then you can wait until 1499 like Da Gama.

I thought we were in year 1500.

[Kerblaekistan]

It was done in real life. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _India.gif

I love how you think citing that helps your argument. If you are so willing to follow the original sea routes, then you can wait until 1499 like Da Gama.

I thought it was 1500?

[Mondrova]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_European_exploration_of_Asia

It does not seem much off. It isn't like they are going to start colonizing Asia-or at least from what I know with Bering and Beatus. Even if another nation besides the two found Goguryeo first I wouldn't trade with them really. And depending on Central Asia or Sibir the Silk Road would be open for some at least since Mongolia I was told still supports it.

I am not sure how us postponing the discovery of the Americas largely for OOC ease, that was my reason for supporting it at least, would mean route to Asia is found later.

It's more of the idea that we let some nations just get a free ride to Asia, which has extremely valuable goods in Europe. If we do that, why not do the same with America. I say make them work for it. The RL route wasn't found until Da Gama, and he didn't reach India till 1499, so letting people start off with it discovered doesn't make much sense if the route to the New World isn't known.

[Mondrova]

I love how you think citing that helps your argument. If you are so willing to follow the original sea routes, then you can wait until 1499 like Da Gama.

I thought we were in year 1500.

I thought we were doing 1492? That's what I posted as my date. Either way, the point still stands. He can find it ICly or wait until someone else does and shares the information.

EDIT: I see it in the OOC now, 1500. Still, like I said, the point still stands. If we don't know about America, why should we know about the sea route to Asia?

[Novacom]

I can link random things from Wikipedia to without any regard for minor details like you know DATE! That map isn't even relevant for another 6-7 years (remember it's 1492!) by then I'll have solidified a presence (having extended it a good distance from my naval fortress at Socotora or Ikkazar as I'm calling it) in the Indian Ocean and likely be laughing all the way to the bank while sinking most ships I see thinking them Abyssinian Pirates.

[Kerblaekistan]

I can link random things from Wikipedia to without any regard for minor details like you know DATE! That map isn't even relevant for another 6-7 years (remember it's 1492!) by then I'll have solidified a presence (having extended it a good distance from my naval fortress at Socotora or Ikkazar as I'm calling it) in the Indian Ocean and likely be laughing all the way to the bank while sinking most ships I see thinking them Abyssinian Pirates.

You expect everyone to know its 1492 because of 1 post, while the first post and a bunch of other people and posts talk about the year 1500. Makes sense.

[Sorestia]

I can link random things from Wikipedia to without any regard for minor details like you know DATE! That map isn't even relevant for another 6-7 years (remember it's 1492!) by then I'll have solidified a presence (having extended it a good distance from my naval fortress at Socotora or Ikkazar as I'm calling it) in the Indian Ocean and likely be laughing all the way to the bank while sinking most ships I see thinking them Abyssinian Pirates.

You expect everyone to know its 1492 because of 1 post, while the first post and a bunch of other people and posts talk about the year 1500. Makes sense.

I count thirteen instances of the year being "1492" in 35 posts.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=227187

EDIT: Oh, and 0 in "15XX."

[Novacom]

No I expect everyone to be capable of basic reading comprehension as it even says it's 1492 in the first post of the IC thread, given nobody here has issues reading wikipedia, expecting people to be able to read a date is trivial in comparison...

[Parhe]

I can link random things from Wikipedia to without any regard for minor details like you know DATE! That map isn't even relevant for another 6-7 years (remember it's 1492!) by then I'll have solidified a presence (having extended it a good distance from my naval fortress at Socotora or Ikkazar as I'm calling it) in the Indian Ocean and likely be laughing all the way to the bank while sinking most ships I see thinking them Abyssinian Pirates.

I was hoping we help off colonization of Asia for about one or two centuries as with Africa.

Also why does the IC say 1492xwhen the OOC says 1500?

[Bering]

I can link random things from Wikipedia to without any regard for minor details like you know DATE! That map isn't even relevant for another 6-7 years (remember it's 1492!) by then I'll have solidified a presence (having extended it a good distance from my naval fortress at Socotora or Ikkazar as I'm calling it) in the Indian Ocean and likely be laughing all the way to the bank while sinking most ships I see thinking them Abyssinian Pirates.

I was hoping we help off colonization of Asia for about one or two centuries as with Africa.

Also why does the IC say 1492xwhen the OOC says 1500?

should we amend our posts to 1500?

[Mondrova]

I can link random things from Wikipedia to without any regard for minor details like you know DATE! That map isn't even relevant for another 6-7 years (remember it's 1492!) by then I'll have solidified a presence (having extended it a good distance from my naval fortress at Socotora or Ikkazar as I'm calling it) in the Indian Ocean and likely be laughing all the way to the bank while sinking most ships I see thinking them Abyssinian Pirates.

I was hoping we help off colonization of Asia for about one or two centuries as with Africa.

Also why does the IC say 1492xwhen the OOC says 1500?

The last OOC never gave any clear indication of the year this would be in, so I think a lot of people just went with 1492 because we hadn't found America yet. Tbh it would probably be easier to just change the OOC than the IC posts.

[Novacom]

I dunno Parhe, Ask which one of the co-ops who wrote it, I assumed you guys had decided on 1492 when the whole 1500's or 1492 thing was being discussed.

Changing IC posts would be tricky, better to change the OOC as changing the IC that much would mean to may as well restart it...

[Parhe]

I prefered 1501 but settled for 1500. I mean if it is not yet the 16th century thenbthe new national ideas should not make an impact yet.

[Kerblaekistan]

Alright, how about this: after an expedition discovered a sea route to India in 1490, the French East Indies Company was formed to find routes to the continent. Currently, they only do expeditions, but hope to commence trade operations? If they were determined to do so, it is possible Francia could have discovered a route to China sooner. And the OOC says 1500, so you cant say I am too lazy to be a good reader.

[Bering]

I prefered 1501 but settled for 1500. I mean if it is not yet the 16th century thenbthe new national ideas should not make an impact yet.

so 1500 it is?

[Parhe]

Nepal wrote the OOC OP I know whennI told him to use the year 1500. Who posted the IC OP?

[Parhe]

I prefered 1501 but settled for 1500. I mean if it is not yet the 16th century thenbthe new national ideas should not make an impact yet.

so 1500 it is?

I prefer it but am not sure it is my place to decide.