Europa Universalis: New World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[IndianKelewan]

Nothing is out of my range if I try!
I was thinking more trade relations anyway

It is doubtful anyone in Europe would even know he exists though.

Oh they knew India existed (at least to some extent), Europe just didn't know how to get to it after shooting themselves in the foot with the crusades (the direct catalyst for the great age of exploration mind you). Now seeing as the Crusades most likely never happened in this world, Is hazard that knowledge and contact would have progressed far more. On the hand, exploration and colonization may never have occured with the silk road never being snug down

[Great Nepal]

Before forming alliance with Portugal, remember Portugal is in direct crash trajectory with Britain and Britain is open for alliance and may provide information from New world or if you help invade Portugal, lands/colonies in Portugal plus compensation from Portuguese treasure for any loss suffered.

Since we are on the same island i guess i could try to make an alliance with you

Yea, we could split up Portugal and its colonies between us (plus our allies).

Before forming alliance with Portugal, remember Portugal is in direct crash trajectory with Britain and Britain is open for alliance and may provide information from New world or if you help invade Portugal, lands/colonies in Portugal plus compensation from Portuguese treasure for any loss suffered.

true, but you are a heretic, and so is Portugal...hmm,
but Portugal is much more tolerant of Catholics than you are so...

You could remain neutral rather than side with either heretic and there are no Catholic in Britain to be intolerant to (everyone either converted, were killed by mob in revolution or left to nations more accepting of their presence.

[Kerblaekistan]

Europe would know India exists. The silk road runs near there, and my East Indies Company trades there and stops there on their way to China.

You realize nobody from Europe had even gone around Africa until 1497 in RL. If we are still just discovering the new world, I see no reason to have Europe know about this route. Besides, you would know about India like people know about the America's.

"Some land far far away, covered in brown people, pepper, and gold." You would know nothing of the actual nations or land.

Asia and America are two different continents. Europe knew about as far as China since the 1200s.

[Mondrova]

Nah, I just checked, the first route around the cape by a European was by Da Gama, and his journey took from 1497-1499, when he reached Calicut. At any rate, I'm going to be actively pursuing contact with the Swahili city states anyway, so if it was preferred that I don't know about an Indian trade route, that is fine.

But my country runs scheduled routes around South Africa all the time.

If we are just discovering the new world, I don't really see why the route to India should be discovered early.

[Mondrova]

You realize nobody from Europe had even gone around Africa until 1497 in RL. If we are still just discovering the new world, I see no reason to have Europe know about this route. Besides, you would know about India like people know about the America's.

"Some land far far away, covered in brown people, pepper, and gold." You would know nothing of the actual nations or land.

Asia and America are two different continents. Europe knew about as far as China since the 1200s.

Knowing somewhere exists and knowing anything about it are different things.

[Kerblaekistan]

Asia and America are two different continents. Europe knew about as far as China since the 1200s.

Knowing somewhere exists and knowing anything about it are different things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

[Bering]

true, but you are a heretic, and so is Portugal...hmm,
but Portugal is much more tolerant of Catholics than you are so...

You could remain neutral rather than side with either heretic and there are no Catholic in Britain to be intolerant to (everyone either converted, were killed by mob in revolution or left to nations more accepting of their presence.

that statement is really making me consider Portugal over you

[Mondrova]

Knowing somewhere exists and knowing anything about it are different things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

Is naming something everybody knows about meant to mean something?

You realize that the silk road does not mean everybody in Europe was like regularly visiting Asia. Most merchants didn't go the whole way. They traded it along the route until it reached where is was going. Like I said, knowing Asia is a thing, does not mean you actually know anything about Asia, other than the odd tidbit.

[Kerblaekistan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

Is naming something everybody knows about meant to mean something?

You realize that the silk road does not mean everybody in Europe was like regularly visiting Asia. Most merchants didn't go the whole way. They traded it along the route until it reached where is was going.

Traded it in places like India.

[Novacom]

I meant 1488 clown! I even asked how you had such a company as common sense here the main reason people were even roaming the seas far enough to discover the new world was to find a sea route TO India and Asia, someone knowing such a route would have prevented the discovery of America until a later time. The Silk Road as far as most anybody would know ran through Persia, Babylon and into Europe, and was smashed with the arrival of the Timurids and the disintegration of the Mongols, I'd hardly be planning exploration expeditions to re-establish the road by sea if that weren't the case.

[Mondrova]

Is naming something everybody knows about meant to mean something?

You realize that the silk road does not mean everybody in Europe was like regularly visiting Asia. Most merchants didn't go the whole way. They traded it along the route until it reached where is was going.

Traded it in places like India.

Okay? That doesn't mean you can get there by sea.

I mean what, are you going to regularly send trade caravans through like dozens of other nations and hope they make it?

[Kerblaekistan]

I meant 1488 clown! I even asked how you had such a company as common sense here the main reason people were even roaming the seas far enough to discover the new world was to find a sea route TO India and Asia, someone knowing such a route would have prevented the discovery of America until a later time. The Silk Road as far as most anybody would know ran through Persia, Babylon and into Europe, and was smashed with the arrival of the Timurids and the disintegration of the Mongols, I'd hardly be planning exploration expeditions to re-establish the road by sea if that weren't the case.

Since the Silk road was blocked by land, they went by sea. Obviously, they have stopovers in places like the Nibri Empire and Babylon.

[Mondrova]

I meant 1488 clown! I even asked how you had such a company as common sense here the main reason people were even roaming the seas far enough to discover the new world was to find a sea route TO India and Asia, someone knowing such a route would have prevented the discovery of America until a later time. The Silk Road as far as most anybody would know ran through Persia, Babylon and into Europe, and was smashed with the arrival of the Timurids and the disintegration of the Mongols, I'd hardly be planning exploration expeditions to re-establish the road by sea if that weren't the case.

Since the Silk road was blocked by land, they went by sea. Obviously, they have stopovers in places like the Nibri Empire and Babylon.

Like I said, I don't see why it should be discovered early. Do what we are doing with America.

[Kerblaekistan]

Since the Silk road was blocked by land, they went by sea. Obviously, they have stopovers in places like the Nibri Empire and Babylon.

Like I said, I don't see why it should be discovered early. Do what we are doing with America.

What shouldnt be discovered early? They knew India existed.

[Mondrova]

Like I said, I don't see why it should be discovered early. Do what we are doing with America.

What shouldnt be discovered early?

Why shouldn't America be discovered in 1302?

[Kerblaekistan]

They knew the ocean existed. They knew Africa existed. They knew India existed. They knew China existed.

[Mondrova]

They knew the ocean existed. They knew Africa existed. They knew India existed. They knew China existed.

So? You think just knowing places exist makes you know how to get there?

[Novacom]

That implies that the silk road East of Babylon was somehow still intact, the collapse of the Mongol Empire which by the way spanned the vast majority of the road to the east meant that much of what was traded wasn't created in quantities for it to travel along said road, alternative routes don't mean much if there isn't anything to go along it hence why I'm planning that exploration to find out what happened and why and try and restart that flow, something I suspect would likely take 20 IC years at LEAST.

[Kerblaekistan]

They knew the ocean existed. They knew Africa existed. They knew India existed. They knew China existed.

So? You think just knowing places exist makes you know how to get there?

Its like discovering America, just that France chose to keep near land they new existed.

[Heirosoloa]

Well, Brandenburg did shoot down its only possibly ally really willing to side against others for it when the nation sent pirates against Prussia. Particularly since Finland seems to be more friendly with everyone, the German Empire wants to unite the Germans, and Muscovy-he is temporary gone so I am keeping his nation to answer issues, has been trying to align with Germanu, with whom he shares exclusive trade rights in my nation, and Prussia, its neighbor.

I would disagree, given the fact that Ascania only halfheartedly dedicated itself to the operation, and took steps to ensure that the pirates wouldn't trace back to Ascania.

I'm just going to start from the beginning of the engagement.

[Mondrova]

So? You think just knowing places exist makes you know how to get there?

Its like discovering America, just that France chose to keep near land they new existed.

Except no, I still see no reason why it should be discovered early. Why should France get some magical bonus without working for it, why should anyone? Go discover the route ICly if you are so desperate to reach India.

[Great Nepal]

They knew the ocean existed. They knew Africa existed. They knew India existed. They knew China existed.

I know Honolulu exists, I know US exists, I know US exists, I know Air travel exists and I also know Roads exist. Yet, if I only had access to extremely inaccurate map saying "here be dragons!" and "edge of world" I wouldn't be able to get to Honolulu.

[Novacom]

and how did the French get there? the farthest the French got to the silk road was the Levant during the crusades and neither myself or anybody else was consulted about the French waltzing through the territories establishing control of territories and distributing escargot and frogs legs to everyone in exchange for a cup of the map to India from the neighbours.

[Kerblaekistan]

Basically, a guy was told to find a route by sea to China. Following the coast, he did so. Other trade ships followed his steps. Its like Christopher Columbus but he went a different way.

[Sorestia]

and how did the French get there? the farthest the French got to the silk road was the Levant during the crusades and neither myself or anybody else was consulted about the French waltzing through the territories establishing control of territories and distributing escargot and frogs legs to everyone in exchange for a cup of the map to India from the neighbours.

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