Europa Universalis: New World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

Well, for one thing, you know basically nothing of the land, the animals, the food, and of the people. Then there is the fact that the tropics isn't going to be something that Europeans are used to. I mean, there might be no winter, but that because there are two season, wet and dry, which is also very new, and its very humid and hot, like, all the time, which really messes with your crops.

Yeah, it's not the Amazon is full of friendly animals that will clean your house for you if you sing to them.

It's literally chock full of nastiness: all kinds of fun diseases, fun parasites, fun animals, fun poisons, fun natives with poisoned everything.

I would also like to point out that no, the Amazon is not good for farming, because someone put an entire jungle in the way of your vast, open tracts of land.

Though Portuguese grew sugar cane there.

[Brabrantium]

Um, can you change the map for my Claims?

I made a deal with Skrael Coast to get Isle Madame and east AntiCosti island

[Transoxthraxia]

Um, can you change the map for my Claims?

I made a deal with Skrael Coast to get Isle Madame and east AntiCosti island

Yay native treaties!

*Cries in a corner*

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

Um, can you change the map for my Claims?

I made a deal with Skrael Coast to get Isle Madame and east AntiCosti island

And to include my colony!

[Ayreonia]

Anybody can update the map.

[Novacom]

You can't live on Sugarcane and nothing else, not to mention that claimed area is absurdly large the largest size colony or settlement anybody could reasonably have would be a single coloured pixel at the moment.

Someone already told you that you can't say what the natives did.

[Sorestia]

Would someone be willing to volunteer to RP as Aegyptus for the Dominion/Babylonian invasion? I think we have been rather patient about waiting for someone to come forward on this, but I really would like to get on with my RPing.

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

You can't live on Sugarcane and nothing else, not to mention that claimed area is absurdly large the largest size colony or settlement anybody could reasonably have would be a single coloured pixel at the moment.

Someone already told you that you can't say what the natives did.

Ok, my colony would be that size or even smaller but as they explored that land, mapped it and. declared its existence to the King I think it is considered my land or is it?

[Horusland]

You can't live on Sugarcane and nothing else, not to mention that claimed area is absurdly large the largest size colony or settlement anybody could reasonably have would be a single coloured pixel at the moment.

Someone already told you that you can't say what the natives did.

Ok, my colony would be that size or even smaller but as they explored that land, mapped it and. declared its existence to the King I think it is considered my land or is it?

No. Just no.
To explore it is one thing. You need to have settlements in that land, and they need to be governed. Someone needs to be there and live permanently. Not just one person, but many.

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

Ok, my colony would be that size or even smaller but as they explored that land, mapped it and. declared its existence to the King I think it is considered my land or is it?

No. Just no.
To explore it is one thing. You need to have settlements in that land, and they need to be governed. Someone needs to be there and live permanently. Not just one person, but many.

And they do 175 people who have sort of a governor. The number will start to grow once other colonists departure there.

[Jamzmania]

Ok, my colony would be that size or even smaller but as they explored that land, mapped it and. declared its existence to the King I think it is considered my land or is it?

No. Just no.
To explore it is one thing. You need to have settlements in that land, and they need to be governed. Someone needs to be there and live permanently. Not just one person, but many.

To be fair, most New World colonial empires (especially those of the French and the Spanish) was just claimed land that was hardly even settled by the actual Europeans.

[IndianKelewan]

Wait has Sovot's claim expired???

As far as I am concerned yes.

In that case, I would like to revise my claim to this.

Re-posted ... just in case

[Horusland]

No. Just no.
To explore it is one thing. You need to have settlements in that land, and they need to be governed. Someone needs to be there and live permanently. Not just one person, but many.

And they do 175 people who have sort of a governor. The number will start to grow once other colonists departure there.

And they all live in one city. The rest has no people.

No. Just no.
To explore it is one thing. You need to have settlements in that land, and they need to be governed. Someone needs to be there and live permanently. Not just one person, but many.

To be fair, most New World colonial empires (especially those of the French and the Spanish) was just claimed land that was hardly even settled by the actual Europeans.

That would be bad here.

[Novacom]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the map is based on actual control not flights of fancy claims especially given the area you've chosen plus the whole living on sugarcane means they'll all be dead once what little food they would have brought over runs out. Hence why I said a one dot pixel, that in all likelyhood would be removed pretty quickly enough

[Horusland]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the map is based on actual control not flights of fancy claims especially given the area you've chosen plus the whole living on sugarcane means they'll all be dead once what little food they would have brought over runs out. Hence why I said a one dot pixel, that in all likelyhood would be removed pretty quickly enough

Exactly.

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

And they do 175 people who have sort of a governor. The number will start to grow once other colonists departure there.

And they all live in one city. The rest has no people.

Is every square metter. of your land habitated?

No. Just no.
To explore it is one thing. You need to have settlements in that land, and they need to be governed. Someone needs to be there and live permanently. Not just one person, but many.

To be fair, most New World colonial empires (especially those of the French and the Spanish) was just claimed land that was hardly even settled by the actual Europeans.

That would be bad here.[/quote]

[Novacom]

By in large everyone on the map does have control over their territory, a colony on the other hand especially one of that size you would be too busy surviving in that pixel area to go venturing out that far, especially given to do so by in large would be suicide...

[Parhe]

One of the co-ops has said until march 5th pretty much it is 1492 so nobody could have posted in the 1500's...

He didn't say that. He said he hopped to be at least January 1493 in the end of 4th march.
Correct if I'm wrong Parhe

I believe so that I said it be January 1493 until, by GMT, it is March 4 [sorry if I am wrong as I might have been just real off the last.] since the OP Garwall before agreed to the one day being one IC month for now until he decides another is perhaps better.

EDITED: Added link.

[Parhe]

Hopefully the final app.

NS Name: Megale Epeiros
Nation Name: The Eternal Empire of Srivijaya
Capital City: Temasek (administrative), Palembang (cultural)
Government Type: Absolute monarchy
Head of State: Emperor
Claimed Territory: Malay Peninsula, Singapore, Sumatra, Java, the Moluccas, Sabah, a small area on the north-eastern tip of Madagascar, a small pocket in southeast India, half of Sri Lanka
State/National Religion: Islam
Dominant Religion: Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism
Minority Religion(s): Christianity, Confucianism, Taoism
Population: 16 218 000
Population Growth Rate: 0.29%
Military Organization: Tributary levies
Military Size: 224 392
Fleet Size: 792
National Flag:

(Image)

National Focus: Tradewinds, Grand Army
National Idea(s): Printing Press, Arquebus, Colombian Exchange
Trade Policy: Mercantilism
Civil Freedoms: Serfdom
Primary Import(s): Tea, rice, gunpowder, firearms
Primary Export(s): Tin, gold, spices, tea, fabrics and textiles, timber
Primary Culture: Malay
Accepted Cultures: Proto-Malays, Tamil

Brief Description of your nation's History:

Following success in totally smashing the Singhasari kingdom — preventing the fall of Srivijaya from their successors, Majapahit — Srivijaya launched naval raids and, later, an invasion in the year 921, completely destroying the Chola dynasty. The territory gained from this campaign is still disputed due to claims from the Sri Lankan Empire. From then on, Srivijayan culture spread, founding colonies all the way in Madagascar (indeed, Malay sailors did possess great nautical skills in real life — they were able to sail all the way to East Africa, and their distant cousins, the Polynesians, settled in islands in the Pacific).

Meanwhile, in the 11th century, Srivijaya began dominating the rest of Indochina, gaining total control by the 13th. They also started trading with the Chinese for firearms and gunpowder, which proved to be beneficial in conquest of the rest of the Malay Archipelago. In 1376, an interregnum took over, dubbed the Shattering of the 14th Century by scribes, following the death of Emperor Megat Sikander Shah IV, with the throne being fought over by numerous nobles and Sikander's exiled prince, Suleiman II, in Kataha.

This resulted in the splintering of the once great Empire, leading to three portions: One controlled by Suleiman II, which comprises of Peninsular Malaysia, the islands of Java, Sumatra and the Moluccas, and the colonies in South India and Madagascar (each contributing no more than 0.73% and 0.83% of the population respectively); one controlled by his second cousin Saif Mansur, which comprises of the Riau Islands, Borneo and the Philippines; the other by an ambitious warlord, Paduka Seri Wijaya, who has total domination of Indochina and its resources.

The situation has not much changed a hundred and twenty four years later, with the turning of the century. Suleiman VI hopes to take back the land which was rightfully his, now taken away by once-loyal subjects. Once he does this can he set his sights upon the rest of the world.

Brief Description of your nation's economy:

In its prime, Srivijaya had full supremacy of the spice trade, drawing from resources all over the Malay Archipelago. Tin and gold became precious commodities in large demand by the West, and thanks to its strategic location between China and India, and the fact that the land was mostly protected from the monsoon winds thanks to the possession of a natural barrier, the Bukit Barisan mountain range, was a center of trade in the region.

The Shattering made a large dent in Srivijaya's position as the hegemon of the region, yet Srivijaya remains prosperous. In order to regain their proper place in the world, the ruling king must look to new sources of income to facilitate trade. Only with a strong economy and a waterfall in their coffers can they then regain lands that once were theirs.

Brief Description of your nation's government:

While the emperor reigns supreme at the top, he is in turn aided by the Four-fold Council; with the Vizier, Admiral, Treasurer, and Head of Police at the top, followed by eight other aristocrats, then sixteen aristocrats, and finally thirty-two aristocrats, numbering to a total of sixty.

The Vizier is often from a different branch of the same family of the Emperor; rival king Saif Mansur himself was a Vizier in Megat Sikander Shah IV's reign. The Vizier not only served as the Emperor's main advisor, but served too as the Commander-in-Chief and was usually half the reason for the success of Srivijaya. Make no mistake, however, they are quick to turn on their masters as soon as their backs are turned to them, and are often forging political alliances in secret against the ruling king. As Emperor, Suleiman IV must deal with internal threats as well as external.

The Admiral is seen as a champion of the Srivijayan cause, an embodiment of the ideals of a true Srivijayan warrior. Often, princes of the Emperor serve a tenure as an Admiral to prove their worth and the strength of their hearts and sword arms, raiding all across the Malay Archipelago. In fact, Suleiman II too was part of this honorable tradition. However, after sustaining a crushing defeat by a Bugis Confederacy, his reputation was tarnished, seen as a weak Emperor and not worthy of commanding the people's respect, and was in turn exiled to Kataha.

The Head of Police is in charge of the people's safety as well as the state. Fairly straightforward, he is in charge of crushing any hope of crime or corruption in the area; well, at least in theory. He is also responsible for dealing with threats of insurrection and rebellion in the Empire. In the Shattering, the Head of Police in fact supported the insurrections, especially Paduka Seri Wijaya's faction, hoping to divide the factions so that he too could claim the Empire for himself. However, the tables were turned when the Head of Police, upon conquering Sumatera from Paduka Seri Wijaya, was slain by Suleiman II in combat when he took Sumatera from him just a week later.

Brief Description of your nation's populace:

The land of Srivijaya is one of numerous cultures and peoples, ranging from the distant Malagasy in the west to the Proto-Malays such as the Senoi and the Orang Laut in the east. The Srivijayans descend from a race of naturally skilled sailors that harnessed the winds of the monsoon and sailed all the way to East Africa in the West to the Easter Islands in the East, and from the northern tip of Australia in the South to distant Japan in the north. There are some who even claim that the Malays discovered the New Land first, but that only seems to be a fringe theory. They are primarily a warrior culture, launching raids and invasions into enemy lands for loot and resources as well as the dominance of the seas, similar to ancient Mycenae. They have also founded numerous colonies along the coastlines of Asia, alike to the Phoenicians and their colonies across the Mediterranean. However, only a small portion of those colonies are under active Srivijayan control.

RP Example: I was an active RPer, but since most RPs I've joined in the past are probably now long dead or have descended into oblivion, I have decided to write one myself.

Kutaraja Singhasari
917 AD

Against the reflection of a pale waxing moon, the waves gently lapped against the narrow stretch of sand that was the beach, towards the grand city of Kutaraja Singhasari, dim lights illuminating the wooden buildings amid the yawns of distant slumber. Nary a creak nor a groan sounded from the docks, nor was there the hustle and bustle of the populace. Nothing stirred as far as the eye could see. Guards stood half asleep along the railings of the Grand Palace, spears at the side, eyelids weighed down as if by iron elephants. As the tides glittered with midnight illumination, nothing protruded through the foggy horizon, except the distant edges of what seemed to be inky black rocks, glistening in the darkness.

"Full speed," commanded Emperor Suleiman I Shah, as his flagship pierced the veil that was the mist, obscuring his troops from detection. "If we are to take advantage of their slumber, we cannot afford to dally."

He was met with nods of approval, and the faint whisperings of hushed orders. Oars dug into the depths ever faster, soldiers readied their spears and machetes, and artillery men prepared mangonels in anticipation.

As they crossed the threshold, Suleiman I stopped and addressed his men. Now was the time for stealth and subtlety no longer. Now was the time for glory and bloodshed.

"My brothers, true warriors of Srivijaya! Today we make amends with our neighbours of Singhasari! Today we fully repay our debts to them, for it is known that the men of Srivijaya remember their debts!

"Two and twenty years ago, my grandfather, Balaputra Rama Vikrama II, was slain by these vile neighbours of ours, horribly mutilated, and paraded around their square for a fortnight. Five years ago, they slaughtered my father, Sikander II, and took his daughters, my sisters, as slaves. Now, we shall be generous, and pay them back tenfold.

"Burn their houses to the ground! Destroy the very foundations! Slaughter every man, and rip their women and children apart! Parade their entrails throughout the city! Turn the very seas red with their traitorous blood!

Out of the gloom, the 63 ships, carrying 39 000 men altogether, drifted into the bay, though if they were men or monsters when their ships landed, one could not say.

Okay.

Aye I am not sure about anyone having colonies so far away even if there are some people of same race of ethnicity there in RL.

[Ralnis]

I guess will be a Victoria rp after Europea Universalias one?

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

He didn't say that. He said he hopped to be at least January 1493 in the end of 4th march.
Correct if I'm wrong Parhe

I believe so that I said it be January 1493 until, by GMT, it is March 4 [sorry if I am wrong as I might have been just real off the last.] since the OP Garwall before agreed to the one day being one IC month for now until he decides another is perhaps better.

EDITED: Added link.

Ok
That's my time zone!

[Parhe]

I decied to try again making a native nation, so please give me any pointers in editing my app so I can make it better, thank you.

NS Name:Grand Tribes of Ralnis
Nation Name:Grand Tribes of Ralnis
Capital City:Nothwind
Government Type:Tribal Empire
Head of State:Warlord Xergiok
Claimed Territory:Magadan,Kamchatka,Chukota (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map)
State/National Religion:Paganism
Dominant Religion:Paganism 100%
Minority Religion(s):none
Population:100,000 (Please keep realistic...)
Population Growth Rate:0.3
Military Organization:Nomad/Horde
Military Size:3000(3% peacetime), 7000(7% wartime),8000(8% Wartime/Imperal Administration National Idea Modifier)
Fleet Size:80 warships
National Flag:

(Image)

(Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus:Hegemony, Grand Army
National Idea(s):Imperial Administration, Siege Corps
Trade Policy: Free Trade (Free trade or Mercantilism)
Civil Freedoms:Serfdom (Serfdom or Free Subjects)
Primary Import(s):Gunpowder
Primary Export(s):steel,wood
Primary Culture:Ralnisian (Primary culture/linguistic group)
Accepted Cultures:none (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory)

Brief Description of your nation's History:The tribes where in the Kamchatka Peninsula where their tribes where fighting amounst each other and the land itself was difficult to live off anyway. The tribe of Ralsu was an agreesive tribe and did not know how to farm, they only got their food from raiding other tribes, the first warlord came to power by telling his tribe that they will enslaved the other tribes in order for the tribe of Ralsu to live. The tribe launch a bloody campaign that hundreds of men,women, and children died until the entire peninsula was enslave by Ralsu, the name was changed to Ralnis when the first warlord died and his son, who his name was Ralnis ironicaly, deiced that the peninsula was not enough and wanted to expand"beyond the sun's limit" therefore the tribes that where under Ralnis start another bloody campaign that lasted for several centeries until the year 1238 that the last of the tribes where enslave until the entire three peninsulas where unified(Magadan,Kamchatka,Chukota) under Warlord Hiegoh. The land was in something of a peace until the year 1321 where someone killed the current Warlord and spark a bloody civil war until the year 1485 that Warlord Xergiok unify the land under the orginal tribe of Ralnis and is currently looking to expand west and enslave more tribes, it was not until the year 1486, when the Chinese of Gogueyeo, they where first met with hostlity when the people try to settle their, an envoy came to the Warlord in hopes of traade and peace, the Warlord only agreed if they where to trade their"Fire magic" with them, the envoy knew he meant gunpowder and he said the tribes should open free trade with them their steel and wood.Warlord Xergiok agreed, and thus brought the tribes into what they called the"Age of Black Fire" as they made the first gunpowder artillery and the Warlord is now more than egar to use these weapons to conquer the west under the Ralnisan flag.
Brief Description of your nation's economy:Their is no offical econmy, but a barter system which is made out of basic tribal trinkets in exchange for: food, animals,slaves, brides,warrors,or land.In the tribes, the amount of slaves and animals one has, the more wealth he measured by.
Brief Description of your nation's government:The Warlord is the leader and head general of the tribal army, where the warband leaders are the officers and leaders of their own tribes, only by the united power of the warlord will they ever go to war. if the warlord dies, then the tribes will contest and go to war to see who is going to lead them, this war can be decades to centuries. Women can become leaders only if they have proven themselves, which their has only been one, but she was quickly assassainted and her son was warlord who said that women can become warlord, but was to assanaited and lead to a civil war, as you can see, the goverment is very dynamic and chaotic.
Brief Description of your nation's populace:The tribes are very simple in their scoiety class, which stands as this.
Warlord, leader and general of the forces
Warband leaders, officers and leader of their tribes
Tribal men,women,and children
Slaves

RP Example:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=226192
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=223464
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=220291
Yes I have talked to Parhe about it, so I hope it is alright.

" Chinese of Gogueyeo,"

Okay, now you sound like Mishmahig. Anyway if no one else objects you are accepted. I will add you to the map later in a bit.

[Fortunagen]

I was thinking of adding a little cultural plot device that almost every European nation could use, so I had this idea for a writer to emerge in my nation, and his works are extremely popular to such a degree other nation's people(depending on how cultural they are) may enjoy a copy.

The text would also be fairly liberal for the time, so you could even do the whole book-burning thing if your uber-religious.(I'm looking at you, Denmark.)

[Parhe]

"Sire Vincent Blanc, the Commander of the French East Indies Company(the only company that sends trade ships to Asia)"

Ok, no, No European nation does yet, and even if they did the second part is godmodding. However Kerb, since that seems to be your only mistake in the IC, albeit it is your only post so far, it is not much a big deal if you just omit that.

Anyway everyone just ignore that for now.

I advise that you Kerb, Mito and Brabrant bow a bit more to the suggestions of others. As much as I love the first two of you some people do not seem very happy and feel that some of y'alls actions threaten the RP in some form. Mito you can claim it and I am all fine with it but the map, as it works at the moment, only shows claims a nation actually has control over. My nation very well might claim the rest of Asia but I will not be painting it in unless the area is under my law. Also Mito it is still January of 1493 until in RL it is March the forth. Brabrantium I don't even understand your posting style... About the agreement you made with Boriem in the IC post you made I am going to assume you and he discussed it OOC through telegrams or whatever.

From now on could we please be more realistic about timing and such? As in settlement, colonization, and travel to and from the America.


@Fortunagen That sounds very interesting and I would like that, though I myself cannot force people to allow it in their nations. Regardless, if you attempt to perhaps others will make it work.


P.S. To everyone. Okay maybe the one RL day being a RL month is too strict but I personally feel we need some control of time. How about instead we do say one RL week is one or two IC year, keeping it more fluid and at a somewhat faster pace?

[Fortunagen]

@Fortunagen That sounds very interesting and I would like that, though I myself cannot force people to allow it in their nations. Regardless, if you attempt to perhaps others will make it work.

Oh, I had no intention of forcing other people(outside of my own nation ) to read it, I was just throwing it out there to see what the interest level would be, and sort of a "feel free to use this" sort of thing.

Also, yes, time must past faster. The specifics? I'm not sure, but the "page=year" might be a little slow for most people's taste, and judging by the IC, people on the 3rd page are still saying it is 1492, so we definitely need to change something.