Europa Universalis: Our World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Mondrova]

Because merchants can make plenty of money in the Med. Oh sure, some might go the extra mile, but I don't see why flocks of merchants would bother going to say Denmark.

Any merchant organization worth its salt would never forsake a market simply because it's a bit far, especially when there are goods unique to the region that might not be found locally.

Yet they are doing fine, amazing that, isn't it? I mean honestly, what does the Baltic have to offer. What lucrative resources are available to make it worth it? They can sell their stuff in France, Ireland, Britain, Romania, even the Black Sea and still make plenty. I mean, most merchants don't go the entire distance, they sell their goods off to someone else who does what they want with them.

At any rate, this only started because of the talks of reduced tolls through Gibraltar in exchange for a reduced one through the channel, which I wouldn't do anyway, what with the Med being a much larger trading area in Europe.

[Great Nepal]

Do we have ETA for IC?

[Priory Academy USSR]

Actually, it seems Denmark has bugger all in terms of unique resources.

I'm more talking about the Baltic region in general. Denmark would prosper simply by being the doorway.

Not to mention that it works in reverse; A merchant looking to make a huge profit on otherwise mundane goods can sell them where they are rare. Dyes, for example, would be far more expensive in Russia than in Israel.

There is this, to some extent. Of course, I don't know if it even exists in this alternate history. If not, the amber and fur trade would be quite valuable.

On your second point, however, you're quite right.

[Bering]

Err am I accepted?

You lack a Government type, and you won't be able to afford to keep 50,000 soldiers mobilized full-time, mind you. The Black Army of Hungary was only 26,000 at its height, and it was disbanded due to its cost. Raising full-time professional armies won't become affordable until later on, around mid/late 1500's, to the early 1600's.

Other than that, you're accepted.

My question is can Conscription using countries have some sort of standing army?
I was hoping for maybe 10,000-12,000 for each of my Kingdoms, to serve as a basic defense force and to train both enlisted and Officers

[Garwall]

Do we have ETA for IC?

I have a pretty crappy IC post ready to go up. I'm just making some final edits to nations and the map and such.

[Ceannairceach]

Any merchant organization worth its salt would never forsake a market simply because it's a bit far, especially when there are goods unique to the region that might not be found locally.

Yet they are doing fine, amazing that, isn't it? I mean honestly, what does the Baltic have to offer. What lucrative resources are available to make it worth it? They can sell their stuff in France, Ireland, Britain, Romania, even the Black Sea and still make plenty. I mean, most merchants don't go the entire distance, they sell their goods off to someone else who does what they want with them.

At any rate, this only started because of the talks of reduced tolls through Gibraltar in exchange for a reduced one through the channel, which I wouldn't do anyway, what with the Med being a much larger trading area in Europe.

Furs, fish, precious metals and gems, various unique foods, and a boatload of other items that simply aren't found in the same quantity or of the same quality in the Med. And, as I said, it works in the inverse as well.

Doing fine and prospering are far from the same thing, I'll say as well.

[Ublia]

Err am I accepted?

You lack a Government type, and you won't be able to afford to keep 50,000 soldiers mobilized full-time, mind you. The Black Army of Hungary was only 26,000 at its height, and it was disbanded due to its cost. Raising full-time professional armies won't become affordable until later on, around mid/late 1500's, to the early 1600's.

Other than that, you're accepted.

Very well I shall review and slash yet again.

[Old Tyrannia]

Err am I accepted?

You lack a Government type, and you won't be able to afford to keep 50,000 soldiers mobilized full-time, mind you. The Black Army of Hungary was only 26,000 at its height, and it was disbanded due to its cost. Raising full-time professional armies won't become affordable until later on, around mid/late 1500's, to the early 1600's.

Other than that, you're accepted.

Am I accepted, or do I have to finish off my app first with the details on the economy and such?

[Garwall]

You lack a Government type, and you won't be able to afford to keep 50,000 soldiers mobilized full-time, mind you. The Black Army of Hungary was only 26,000 at its height, and it was disbanded due to its cost. Raising full-time professional armies won't become affordable until later on, around mid/late 1500's, to the early 1600's.

Other than that, you're accepted.

My question is can Conscription using countries have some sort of standing army?
I was hoping for maybe 10,000-12,000 for each of my Kingdoms, to serve as a basic defense force and to train both enlisted and Officers

They can, but keeping standing armies is very expensive. Anything beyond 25,000 would probably be pushing financial limits for most/all countries, if they're not involved in a war and collecting wartime taxes/levies from the populace.

[Garwall]

You lack a Government type, and you won't be able to afford to keep 50,000 soldiers mobilized full-time, mind you. The Black Army of Hungary was only 26,000 at its height, and it was disbanded due to its cost. Raising full-time professional armies won't become affordable until later on, around mid/late 1500's, to the early 1600's.

Other than that, you're accepted.

Am I accepted, or do I have to finish off my app first with the details on the economy and such?

Can you provide a source for your 22 million population?

[Ublia]

NS Name: Ublia
Nation Name: Kingdom of Hungary
Capital City: Budapest
Government Type: Theocratic Hereditary Monarchy
Head of State: King-Grand Master Csaba Arpad, Apostolic King of Hungary and Sovereign Military Order of St. Bleda , Grand Duke of the Slovaks, Prince of Transylvania
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map): Hungary,Slovakia, Transylvania
State/National Religion: Roman Catholicism
Dominant Religion: Roman Catholicism
Minority Religion(s): Orthodoxy
Population: (Please keep realistic...)2,500,000
Population Growth Rate: 0.3%
Military Organization: Conscription
Military Size: 10,000 (prior to war) 24,000 (fully mobilized)
Fleet Size: 10 patrols boats for the Danube
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus: Church Attendance Day
National Idea(s): Imperial Administration
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism): Mercantilism
Civil Freedoms:(Serfdom or Free Subjects)Serfdom
Primary Import(s): Wine, Furs, Spices, Sulfur, Marble, Citrus,
Primary Export(s): Iron, Timber, Wheat, Gold, Copper, Lead, Horses, Livestock
Primary Culture:(Primary culture/linguistic group): Hungarian
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory): Slovak, German

Brief Description of your nation's History: In 1241 the Mongols of the Golden Horde ravaged Eastern Europe their massive armies scattered and destroyed those who opposed them. Ironically this was assured by the inability of a Ruthenian slave in Mongol captivity to escape and alert the Hungarian army that the Mongols intended to cross the Sajó bridge. With this fateful moment the merciless Mongols were able to swiftly ambush and route the Hungarians and their allies who were soon scattered. This fateful move would soon result in a Mongol blitzkrieg against the Hungarians who soon seized the capital of Buda as well as the Hungarian King Bleda IV who was executed and his realm transformed into the so called Danube Khanate ruled by Batu Khan.

His swift victory was soon followed by the massive conquest of the Balkans no easy task which resulted in the aquisition of territories stretching from Poland to Romania. Indeed perched atop his newfound realm the great warlord ruled with an iron fist as he enforced Islam by the sword. However there was hope the remnants of the Hungarian military had escaped to Austria and there the defeated Prince Coloman proclaimed himself the King of Hungary in opposition to the Mongol Khan who ruled in Buda.

Soon Coloman called for a crusade to liberate the Christian Balkans from the terrible Khan who seemed poised to threaten even the great Kingdoms of France and Germany. His cry was soon heard by the masses as the exiled Princes of the Croats, Serbs, Poles and Bulgars united under his banner. Backed by the Holy Roman Emperor Coloman struck when the Khans attention turned east to seize the realm if his father Jochi the Khan if the Golden Horde who's death had triggered a power struggle. Coloman and his followers the so called Order of St. Bleda (The Hungarian King was declared a martyr and saint for trying to hold Buda.)

His army though seriously outnumbered were infused with religious and nationalist zeal. Zeal which proved useful as the army united under the symbol of the cross viciously fought tooth and nail miraculously defeating the Khans armies (in truth militia as the veteran force was still in the east.) To add the so called Balkan Crusade of 1242-1244 soon resulted in a Christian victory and despite the attempts of the victorious Batu the new leader of the Golden Horde his forces could not recover the Danube Khanate. Since the descendants of Coloman I of the House of Arpad have sat on the Hungarian throne and worn the crown of St. Stephan. All while the Kingdoms borders have drastically expanded thanks to the armies if the King who's realm stretches across the Balkans.

Brief Description of your nation's economy: Hungary remains rich through the vast mineral deposits of and Transylvania. While her horses and livestock from the Hungarian heartland fetch a high price at he markets of Europe. Meanwhile the lesser industries if timber and wheat further are useful when trading for spices and luxury goods. As well the Danube river meanwhile is useful to collect taxes on passing ferry ships destined for Austria, Serbia or Romania.

Brief Description of your nation's government: Since the Balkan Crusade the Hungarian Kings though powerful do not rule absolute. Rather they depend on the backing of the church and the glory of the ever powerful House of Arpad to control the restless nobility such as the Houses of Bathory and Hunyadi.

Brief Description of your nation's populace: The vast majority of the Kingdoms population is Hungarian. However the Germans and Slovaks of the realm enjoy extensive rights when compared to the Romanians, Serbs and Ukrainians of the frontier.

RP Example: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=211298

Updated.

[Bering]

My question is can Conscription using countries have some sort of standing army?
I was hoping for maybe 10,000-12,000 for each of my Kingdoms, to serve as a basic defense force and to train both enlisted and Officers

They can, but keeping standing armies is very expensive. Anything beyond 25,000 would probably be pushing financial limits for most/all countries, if they're not involved in a war and collecting wartime taxes/levies from the populace.

so 20,000-24,000 would be alright?
Just something around to put down the odd rebellion or if I am attacked to keep the enemy at bay long enough for me to organize a larger army

[Ceannairceach]

My question is can Conscription using countries have some sort of standing army?
I was hoping for maybe 10,000-12,000 for each of my Kingdoms, to serve as a basic defense force and to train both enlisted and Officers

They can, but keeping standing armies is very expensive. Anything beyond 25,000 would probably be pushing financial limits for most/all countries, if they're not involved in a war and collecting wartime taxes/levies from the populace.

That 0.2% border guard and garrison thing us the limit at which it starts becoming expensive, yes?

[Old Tyrannia]

Am I accepted, or do I have to finish off my app first with the details on the economy and such?

Can you provide a source for your 22 million population?

Honestly? No. I haven't the foggiest what the population would have been for the region at the time. I just tried to make a reasonable guess. I can reduce it if you like.

[Mondrova]

Yet they are doing fine, amazing that, isn't it? I mean honestly, what does the Baltic have to offer. What lucrative resources are available to make it worth it? They can sell their stuff in France, Ireland, Britain, Romania, even the Black Sea and still make plenty. I mean, most merchants don't go the entire distance, they sell their goods off to someone else who does what they want with them.

At any rate, this only started because of the talks of reduced tolls through Gibraltar in exchange for a reduced one through the channel, which I wouldn't do anyway, what with the Med being a much larger trading area in Europe.

Furs, fish, precious metals and gems, various unique foods, and a boatload of other items that simply aren't found in the same quantity or of the same quality in the Med. And, as I said, it works in the inverse as well.

Doing fine and prospering are far from the same thing, I'll say as well.

Aside from furs, there isn't much incentive to go all the way, at least from that list, at least for my nation. The inverse is an incentive to go, and I never said people wouldn't I said most wouldn't.

Also, by saying that, you are implying they aren't already prospering. I mean at the time, it doesn't get much more prosperous than dealing in African and Asian goods.

[Parhe]

Can you provide a source for your 22 million population?

Honestly? No. I haven't the foggiest what the population would have been for the region at the time. I just tried to make a reasonable guess. I can reduce it if you like.

Just a mention, the agricultural nations around you have pops each of about one to three million. Persia has 12 though, but he had a source on it.

[Garwall]

Can you provide a source for your 22 million population?

Honestly? No. I haven't the foggiest what the population would have been for the region at the time. I just tried to make a reasonable guess. I can reduce it if you like.

It covers a large, multinational area, so it's hard to tell. Hm. How about we call it 4-6 million, and I expand your land a bit to clear out some of the empty spaces?

Honestly? No. I haven't the foggiest what the population would have been for the region at the time. I just tried to make a reasonable guess. I can reduce it if you like.

Just a mention, the agricultural nations around you have pops each of about one to three million. Persia has 12 though, but he had a source on it.

To create fairness and avoid total stompage from higher-pop nations, I'll throw in some civil unrest and unruly nobles here and there. This goes for everyone, ofc.

[Ceannairceach]

Furs, fish, precious metals and gems, various unique foods, and a boatload of other items that simply aren't found in the same quantity or of the same quality in the Med. And, as I said, it works in the inverse as well.

Doing fine and prospering are far from the same thing, I'll say as well.

Aside from furs, there isn't much incentive to go all the way, at least from that list, at least for my nation. The inverse is an incentive to go, and I never said people wouldn't I said most wouldn't.

Also, by saying that, you are implying they aren't already prospering. I mean at the time, it doesn't get much more prosperous than dealing in African and Asian goods.

And I'm arguing that most would, or would work through intermediaries that would have the same results.

I didn't imply that. I implied that a prospering merchant wouldn't ignore a market, as you claim most would.

[Ublia]

NS Name: Ublia
Nation Name: Kingdom of Hungary
Capital City: Budapest
Government Type: Theocratic Hereditary Monarchy
Head of State: King-Grand Master Csaba Arpad, Apostolic King of Hungary and Sovereign Military Order of St. Bleda , Grand Duke of the Slovaks, Prince of Transylvania
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map): Hungary,Slovakia, Transylvania
State/National Religion: Roman Catholicism
Dominant Religion: Roman Catholicism
Minority Religion(s): Orthodoxy
Population: (Please keep realistic...)2,500,000
Population Growth Rate: 0.3%
Military Organization: Conscription
Military Size: 10,000 (prior to war) 24,000 (fully mobilized)
Fleet Size: 10 patrols boats for the Danube
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus: Church Attendance Day
National Idea(s): Imperial Administration
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism): Mercantilism
Civil Freedoms:(Serfdom or Free Subjects)Serfdom
Primary Import(s): Wine, Furs, Spices, Sulfur, Marble, Citrus,
Primary Export(s): Iron, Timber, Wheat, Gold, Copper, Lead, Horses, Livestock
Primary Culture:(Primary culture/linguistic group): Hungarian
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory): Slovak, German

Brief Description of your nation's History: In 1241 the Mongols of the Golden Horde ravaged Eastern Europe their massive armies scattered and destroyed those who opposed them. Ironically this was assured by the inability of a Ruthenian slave in Mongol captivity to escape and alert the Hungarian army that the Mongols intended to cross the Sajó bridge. With this fateful moment the merciless Mongols were able to swiftly ambush and route the Hungarians and their allies who were soon scattered. This fateful move would soon result in a Mongol blitzkrieg against the Hungarians who soon seized the capital of Buda as well as the Hungarian King Bleda IV who was executed and his realm transformed into the so called Danube Khanate ruled by Batu Khan.

His swift victory was soon followed by the massive conquest of the Balkans no easy task which resulted in the aquisition of territories stretching from Poland to Romania. Indeed perched atop his newfound realm the great warlord ruled with an iron fist as he enforced Islam by the sword. However there was hope the remnants of the Hungarian military had escaped to Austria and there the defeated Prince Coloman proclaimed himself the King of Hungary in opposition to the Mongol Khan who ruled in Buda.

Soon Coloman called for a crusade to liberate the Christian Balkans from the terrible Khan who seemed poised to threaten even the great Kingdoms of France and Germany. His cry was soon heard by the masses as the exiled Princes of the Croats, Serbs, Poles and Bulgars united under his banner. Backed by the Holy Roman Emperor Coloman struck when the Khans attention turned east to seize the realm if his father Jochi the Khan if the Golden Horde who's death had triggered a power struggle. Coloman and his followers the so called Order of St. Bleda (The Hungarian King was declared a martyr and saint for trying to hold Buda.)

His army though seriously outnumbered were infused with religious and nationalist zeal. Zeal which proved useful as the army united under the symbol of the cross viciously fought tooth and nail miraculously defeating the Khans armies (in truth militia as the veteran force was still in the east.) To add the so called Balkan Crusade of 1242-1244 soon resulted in a Christian victory and despite the attempts of the victorious Batu the new leader of the Golden Horde his forces could not recover the Danube Khanate. Since the descendants of Coloman I of the House of Arpad have sat on the Hungarian throne and worn the crown of St. Stephan. All while the Kingdoms borders have drastically expanded thanks to the armies if the King who's realm stretches across the Balkans.

Brief Description of your nation's economy: Hungary remains rich through the vast mineral deposits of and Transylvania. While her horses and livestock from the Hungarian heartland fetch a high price at he markets of Europe. Meanwhile the lesser industries if timber and wheat further are useful when trading for spices and luxury goods. As well the Danube river meanwhile is useful to collect taxes on passing ferry ships destined for Austria, Serbia or Romania.

Brief Description of your nation's government: Since the Balkan Crusade the Hungarian Kings though powerful do not rule absolute. Rather they depend on the backing of the church and the glory of the ever powerful House of Arpad to control the restless nobility such as the Houses of Bathory and Hunyadi.

Brief Description of your nation's populace: The vast majority of the Kingdoms population is Hungarian. However the Germans and Slovaks of the realm enjoy extensive rights when compared to the Romanians, Serbs and Ukrainians of the frontier.

RP Example: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=211298

Updated.

[Old Tyrannia]

Honestly? No. I haven't the foggiest what the population would have been for the region at the time. I just tried to make a reasonable guess. I can reduce it if you like.

It covers a large, multinational area, so it's hard to tell. Hm. How about we call it 4-6 million, and I expand your land a bit to clear out some of the empty spaces?

To create fairness and avoid total stompage from higher-pop nations, I'll throw in some civil unrest and unruly nobles here and there. This goes for everyone, ofc.

Sure thing, thank you.

[Mondrova]

Aside from furs, there isn't much incentive to go all the way, at least from that list, at least for my nation. The inverse is an incentive to go, and I never said people wouldn't I said most wouldn't.

Also, by saying that, you are implying they aren't already prospering. I mean at the time, it doesn't get much more prosperous than dealing in African and Asian goods.

And I'm arguing that most would, or would work through intermediaries that would have the same results.

I didn't imply that. I implied that a prospering merchant wouldn't ignore a market, as you claim most would.

Never said there wouldn't be intermediaries, I said they wouldn't go directly to say, the Baltic, in all likelihood.

Though after some consideration, let me rephrase my previous statement. Less people would be bound for the North Sea and the Baltic than the Med.

[Annaliea]

Just out of curiosity, who would be interested in a grain trade deal with me, given that it is my nations largest export, followed by citrus and building stone. I am positioned in a pretty strategic location for shipping and transport, and I will have access to pretty much all Med nations and most others as well.

[Garwall]

Latest updated claims. A good deal are NPC's: for the full list of nations, check the third post on the first page.

[Ublia]

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Hurray I am accepted!

[Bering]

Latest updated claims. A good deal are NPC's: for the full list of nations, check the third post on the first page.

Hurray I am accepted!

congrats! want to make an alliance!