Europa Universalis: Our World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Annaliea]

Such hostility!

I just want to sit in Florence and sell my shit. Get rich in the process and such.

Given we are right beside eachother, I believe some sort of deal is in order. I see from your application that you import grain.... I have lots of grain... And I think you export iron? I import that.

[Mondrova]

Nah, we charge everyone, it's all very lucrative, and trying to bully your way in, forget about it.

Hey, you can pass through English channel for free if you let our clients pass through Med for free.

I don't think enough ships would bother sailing to say, the north sea. They would go as far as yourself and the western cost of France, but after that it'd be cheaper and still quite lucrative to sell in Italy or Iberia.

[Ceannairceach]

Alternatively, if you were to approach Britannia in IC, Emperor could give Imperial navy escort to pass in and out of Mediterranean without paying taxes to our loyal slave customer for half the cost of tax.
Obviously, when Empire is in war, we cant do that.

Nah, we charge everyone, it's all very lucrative, and trying to bully your way in, forget about it.

You're basically asking for someone to form a coalition to evict you from Gibraltar.

[Mondrova]

Nah, we charge everyone, it's all very lucrative, and trying to bully your way in, forget about it.

You're basically asking for someone to form a coalition to evict you from Gibraltar.

They can certainly try.

[Great Nepal]

Hey, you can pass through English channel for free if you let our clients pass through Med for free.

I don't think enough ships would bother sailing to say, the north sea. They would go as far as yourself and the western cost of France, but after that it'd be cheaper and still quite lucrative to sell in Italy or Iberia.

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

[Ceannairceach]

I don't think enough ships would bother sailing to say, the north sea. They would go as far as yourself and the western cost of France, but after that it'd be cheaper and still quite lucrative to sell in Italy or Iberia.

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

Those markets have certain items not found in Italy and the Med, to be certain.

[Annaliea]

I don't think enough ships would bother sailing to say, the north sea. They would go as far as yourself and the western cost of France, but after that it'd be cheaper and still quite lucrative to sell in Italy or Iberia.

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

Why go all that distance when you can probably get more money in cities like Rome? Given your relative isolation from Mediterranean naval trade routes, I think it would be hard for you tol build an economy on trade from other nations.

However you could probably do well off your own exported items, many of which will probably be different from those found in the Med.

[Priory Academy USSR]

I don't think enough ships would bother sailing to say, the north sea. They would go as far as yourself and the western cost of France, but after that it'd be cheaper and still quite lucrative to sell in Italy or Iberia.

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

Not as many people when compared with the Med. And free passage across the English Channel doesn't guarantee you free access through Denmark... Mind you, that depends if I'm willing to introduce them or not. I'd rather not piss off half of Northern Europe.

[Mondrova]

I don't think enough ships would bother sailing to say, the north sea. They would go as far as yourself and the western cost of France, but after that it'd be cheaper and still quite lucrative to sell in Italy or Iberia.

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

I wouldn't imagine most merchants would sail that far. More likely they'd stop half way and sell it to someone else who may continue it on to those markets. I mean, trade in Africa and with the east is already quite profitable, no reason to try and infringe on a market already dominated by others.

[Great Nepal]

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

I wouldn't imagine most merchants would sail that far. More likely they'd stop half way and sell it to someone else who may continue it on to those markets. I mean, trade in Africa and with the east is already quite profitable, no reason to try and infringe on a market already dominated by others.

Okay then... you dont know what you are missing.

[Ceannairceach]

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

I wouldn't imagine most merchants would sail that far. More likely they'd stop half way and sell it to someone else who may continue it on to those markets. I mean, trade in Africa and with the east is already quite profitable, no reason to try and infringe on a market already dominated by others.

Why when infringing on a market is a high reward, if high risk, venture?

[Ublia]

NS Name: Ublia
Nation Name: Kingdom of Hungary
Capital City: Budapest
Government Type: Theocratic Hereditary Monarchy
Head of State: King-Grand Master Csaba Arpad, Apostolic King of Hungary and Sovereign Military Order of St. Bleda , Grand Duke of the Slovaks, Prince of Transylvania
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map): Hungary,Slovakia, Transylvania
State/National Religion: Roman Catholicism
Dominant Religion: Roman Catholicism
Minority Religion(s): Orthodoxy
Population: (Please keep realistic...)2,500,000
Population Growth Rate: 0.3%
Military Organization: Conscription
Military Size: 10,000 (prior to war) 24,000 (fully mobilized)
Fleet Size: 10 patrols boats for the Danube
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus: Church Attendance Day
National Idea(s): Imperial Administration
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism): Mercantilism
Civil Freedoms:(Serfdom or Free Subjects)Serfdom
Primary Import(s): Wine, Furs, Spices, Sulfur, Marble, Citrus,
Primary Export(s): Iron, Timber, Wheat, Gold, Copper, Lead, Horses, Livestock
Primary Culture:(Primary culture/linguistic group): Hungarian
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory): Slovak, German

Brief Description of your nation's History: In 1241 the Mongols of the Golden Horde ravaged Eastern Europe their massive armies scattered and destroyed those who opposed them. Ironically this was assured by the inability of a Ruthenian slave in Mongol captivity to escape and alert the Hungarian army that the Mongols intended to cross the Sajó bridge. With this fateful moment the merciless Mongols were able to swiftly ambush and route the Hungarians and their allies who were soon scattered. This fateful move would soon result in a Mongol blitzkrieg against the Hungarians who soon seized the capital of Buda as well as the Hungarian King Bleda IV who was executed and his realm transformed into the so called Danube Khanate ruled by Batu Khan.

His swift victory was soon followed by the massive conquest of the Balkans no easy task which resulted in the aquisition of territories stretching from Poland to Romania. Indeed perched atop his newfound realm the great warlord ruled with an iron fist as he enforced Islam by the sword. However there was hope the remnants of the Hungarian military had escaped to Austria and there the defeated Prince Coloman proclaimed himself the King of Hungary in opposition to the Mongol Khan who ruled in Buda.

Soon Coloman called for a crusade to liberate the Christian Balkans from the terrible Khan who seemed poised to threaten even the great Kingdoms of France and Germany. His cry was soon heard by the masses as the exiled Princes of the Croats, Serbs, Poles and Bulgars united under his banner. Backed by the Holy Roman Emperor Coloman struck when the Khans attention turned east to seize the realm if his father Jochi the Khan if the Golden Horde who's death had triggered a power struggle. Coloman and his followers the so called Order of St. Bleda (The Hungarian King was declared a martyr and saint for trying to hold Buda.)

His army though seriously outnumbered were infused with religious and nationalist zeal. Zeal which proved useful as the army united under the symbol of the cross viciously fought tooth and nail miraculously defeating the Khans armies (in truth militia as the veteran force was still in the east.) To add the so called Balkan Crusade of 1242-1244 soon resulted in a Christian victory and despite the attempts of the victorious Batu the new leader of the Golden Horde his forces could not recover the Danube Khanate. Since the descendants of Coloman I of the House of Arpad have sat on the Hungarian throne and worn the crown of St. Stephan. All while the Kingdoms borders have drastically expanded thanks to the armies if the King who's realm stretches across the Balkans.

Brief Description of your nation's economy: Hungary remains rich through the vast mineral deposits of and Transylvania. While her horses and livestock from the Hungarian heartland fetch a high price at he markets of Europe. Meanwhile the lesser industries if timber and wheat further are useful when trading for spices and luxury goods. As well the Danube river meanwhile is useful to collect taxes on passing ferry ships destined for Austria, Serbia or Romania.

Brief Description of your nation's government: Since the Balkan Crusade the Hungarian Kings though powerful do not rule absolute. Rather they depend on the backing of the church and the glory of the ever powerful House of Arpad to control the restless nobility such as the Houses of Bathory and Hunyadi.

Brief Description of your nation's populace: The vast majority of the Kingdoms population is Hungarian. However the Germans and Slovaks of the realm enjoy extensive rights when compared to the Romanians, Serbs and Ukrainians of the frontier.

RP Example: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=211298

[Annaliea]

NS Name: Ublia
Nation Name: Kingdom of Hungary
Capital City: Budapest
Government Type:
Head of State: King-Grand Master Csaba Arpad, Apostolic King of Hungary and Sovereign Military Order of St. Bleda , Grand Duke of the Slovaks, Prince of Transylvania
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map): Hungary,Slovakia, Transylvania
State/National Religion: Roman Catholicism
Dominant Religion: Roman Catholicism
Minority Religion(s): Orthodoxy
Population: (Please keep realistic...)2,500,000
Population Growth Rate: 0.3%
Military Organization: Conscription
Military Size: 50,000 (prior to war) 75,000 (fully mobilized)
Fleet Size: 10 patrols boats for the Danube
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus: Church Attendance Day
National Idea(s): Imperial Administration
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism): Mercantilism
Civil Freedoms:(Serfdom or Free Subjects)Serfdom
Primary Import(s): Wine, Furs, Spices, Sulfur, Marble, Citrus,
Primary Export(s): Iron, Timber, Wheat, Gold, Copper, Lead, Horses, Livestock
Primary Culture:(Primary culture/linguistic group): Hungarian
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory): Slovak, German

Brief Description of your nation's History: In 1241 the Mongols of the Golden Horde ravaged Eastern Europe their massive armies scattered and destroyed those who opposed them. Ironically this was assured by the inability of a Ruthenian slave in Mongol captivity to escape and alert the Hungarian army that the Mongols intended to cross the Sajó bridge. With this fateful moment the merciless Mongols were able to swiftly ambush and route the Hungarians and their allies who were soon scattered. This fateful move would soon result in a Mongol blitzkrieg against the Hungarians who soon seized the capital of Buda as well as the Hungarian King Bleda IV who was executed and his realm transformed into the so called Danube Khanate ruled by Batu Khan.

His swift victory was soon followed by the massive conquest of the Balkans no easy task which resulted in the aquisition of territories stretching from Poland to Romania. Indeed perched atop his newfound realm the great warlord ruled with an iron fist as he enforced Islam by the sword. However there was hope the remnants of the Hungarian military had escaped to Austria and there the defeated Prince Coloman proclaimed himself the King of Hungary in opposition to the Mongol Khan who ruled in Buda.

Soon Coloman called for a crusade to liberate the Christian Balkans from the terrible Khan who seemed poised to threaten even the great Kingdoms of France and Germany. His cry was soon heard by the masses as the exiled Princes of the Croats, Serbs, Poles and Bulgars united under his banner. Backed by the Holy Roman Emperor Coloman struck when the Khans attention turned east to seize the realm if his father Jochi the Khan if the Golden Horde who's death had triggered a power struggle. Coloman and his followers the so called Order of St. Bleda (The Hungarian King was declared a martyr and saint for trying to hold Buda.)

His army though seriously outnumbered were infused with religious and nationalist zeal. Zeal which proved useful as the army united under the symbol of the cross viciously fought tooth and nail miraculously defeating the Khans armies (in truth militia as the veteran force was still in the east.) To add the so called Balkan Crusade of 1242-1244 soon resulted in a Christian victory and despite the attempts of the victorious Batu the new leader of the Golden Horde his forces could not recover the Danube Khanate. Since the descendants of Coloman I of the House of Arpad have sat on the Hungarian throne and worn the crown of St. Stephan. All while the Kingdoms borders have drastically expanded thanks to the armies if the King who's realm stretches across the Balkans.

Brief Description of your nation's economy: Hungary remains rich through the vast mineral deposits of and Transylvania. While her horses and livestock from the Hungarian heartland fetch a high price at he markets of Europe. Meanwhile the lesser industries if timber and wheat further are useful when trading for spices and luxury goods. As well the Danube river meanwhile is useful to collect taxes on passing ferry ships destined for Austria, Serbia or Romania.

Brief Description of your nation's government: Since the Balkan Crusade the Hungarian Kings though powerful do not rule absolute. Rather they depend on the backing of the church and the glory of the ever powerful House of Arpad to control the restless nobility such as the Houses of Bathory and Hunyadi.

Brief Description of your nation's populace: The vast majority of the Kingdoms population is Hungarian. However the Germans and Slovaks of the realm enjoy extensive rights when compared to the Romanians, Serbs and Ukrainians of the frontier.

RP Example: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=211298

Yay! A new Catholic nation! I'm Rome, and I guess that means I will be RPing the Papacy. I would be more than willing to trade my citrus and marble for your iron and gold?

[Mondrova]

I wouldn't imagine most merchants would sail that far. More likely they'd stop half way and sell it to someone else who may continue it on to those markets. I mean, trade in Africa and with the east is already quite profitable, no reason to try and infringe on a market already dominated by others.

Why when infringing on a market is a high reward, if high risk, venture?

Because merchants can make plenty of money in the Med. Oh sure, some might go the extra mile, but I don't see why flocks of merchants would bother going to say Denmark.

[New Nassrau]

What are reasonable rules about colonization and such?

[Priory Academy USSR]

Why when infringing on a market is a high reward, if high risk, venture?

Because merchants can make plenty of money in the Med. Oh sure, some might go the extra mile, but I don't see why flocks of merchants would bother going to say Denmark.

Hey!


Yeah, I see your point. My 350,000 people and fairly limited rare resources wouldn't make me worth the travel.

[New Nassrau]

Come on... wouldn't you want to go to Prussiya, Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden, Finland etc?

I wouldn't imagine most merchants would sail that far. More likely they'd stop half way and sell it to someone else who may continue it on to those markets. I mean, trade in Africa and with the east is already quite profitable, no reason to try and infringe on a market already dominated by others.

Now, they will sail as far as Hanover, which has a port on the North sea

[Mondrova]

I wouldn't imagine most merchants would sail that far. More likely they'd stop half way and sell it to someone else who may continue it on to those markets. I mean, trade in Africa and with the east is already quite profitable, no reason to try and infringe on a market already dominated by others.

Now, they will sail as far as Hanover, which has a port on the North sea

Probably not that many tbh.

[Garwall]

Yay! A new Catholic nation! I'm Rome, and I guess that means I will be RPing the Papacy. I would be more than willing to trade my citrus and marble for your iron and gold?

The Papacy, specifically the Pope and Apostolic Cardinals, shall be played solely by me unless stated otherwise.

[Ceannairceach]

Why when infringing on a market is a high reward, if high risk, venture?

Because merchants can make plenty of money in the Med. Oh sure, some might go the extra mile, but I don't see why flocks of merchants would bother going to say Denmark.

Any merchant organization worth its salt would never forsake a market simply because it's a bit far, especially when there are goods unique to the region that might not be found locally.

[Garwall]

What are reasonable rules about colonization and such?

Colonization will not be available until more territory opens up--in which rules will be detailed when it's necessary to establish rules.

[Ublia]

Yay! A new Catholic nation! I'm Rome, and I guess that means I will be RPing the Papacy. I would be more than willing to trade my citrus and marble for your iron and gold?

The Papacy, specifically the Pope and Apostolic Cardinals, shall be played solely by me unless stated otherwise.

Err am I accepted?

[Priory Academy USSR]

Because merchants can make plenty of money in the Med. Oh sure, some might go the extra mile, but I don't see why flocks of merchants would bother going to say Denmark.

Any merchant organization worth its salt would never forsake a market simply because it's a bit far, especially when there are goods unique to the region that might not be found locally.

Actually, it seems Denmark has bugger all in terms of unique resources.

[Ceannairceach]

Any merchant organization worth its salt would never forsake a market simply because it's a bit far, especially when there are goods unique to the region that might not be found locally.

Actually, it seems Denmark has bugger all in terms of unique resources.

I'm more talking about the Baltic region in general. Denmark would prosper simply by being the doorway.

Not to mention that it works in reverse; A merchant looking to make a huge profit on otherwise mundane goods can sell them where they are rare. Dyes, for example, would be far more expensive in Russia than in Israel.

[Garwall]

The Papacy, specifically the Pope and Apostolic Cardinals, shall be played solely by me unless stated otherwise.

Err am I accepted?

You lack a Government type, and you won't be able to afford to keep 50,000 soldiers mobilized full-time, mind you. The Black Army of Hungary was only 26,000 at its height, and it was disbanded due to its cost. Raising full-time professional armies won't become affordable until later on, around mid/late 1500's, to the early 1600's.

Other than that, you're accepted.