Europa Universalis: Our World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Virenna]

However if you're going to colonize the Carribbean as an African nation, you're going to have to constantly raid neighbors for more slaves. During the plantation age, Portugal, Spain, and the other Europeans in the Caribbean had to constantly import more and more slaves because the brutal work of the sugar plantations would never allow the slaves to actually survive and reproduce like in the United States. Honestly you might be better off just selling the slaves to the Europeans, as this way they would have to constantly come back to you to buy more slaves instead of you sacrificing so many people and resources for the sugar profits, which would only be marginal compared to the cost of constant raids, shipping, etc.

[Jamzmania]

I'm pretty sure they tended to die off pretty frequently.
All that smallpox stuff, y'know?

Africans were hardier, had already developed agriculture and thus were somewhat familiar with it, easy to spot, and disoriented by local geography/flora/fauna.

I'd stick with Africans if I were you.

Pfft, smallpox, we whip that out of our slaves over here boy.

Also, you know that native American's had also developed agriculture, right? Not all of them practiced it, but it was hardly an alien concept.

The entire reason the Europeans used Africans instead of natives is because the Africans were already immune to European diseases and knew how to work the land in European ways.

The natives all got sick and died and didn't know how to do the massive farms Euro-style that they were expected to do.

[Mondrova]

However if you're going to colonize the Carribbean as an African nation, you're going to have to constantly raid neighbors for more slaves. During the plantation age, Portugal, Spain, and the other Europeans in the Caribbean had to constantly import more and more slaves because the brutal work of the sugar plantations would never allow the slaves to actually survive and reproduce like in the United States. Honestly you might be better off just selling the slaves to the Europeans, as this way they would have to constantly come back to you to buy more slaves instead of you sacrificing so many people and resources for the sugar profits, which would only be marginal compared to the cost of constant raids, shipping, etc.

I would demand tributes from the other tribes, and most of the slaves would go to the other nations. I'm unsure if I might just rent out the Caribbean lands to others to use. Besides, we aren't after dead slaves, I will have a much more long term outlook for my merchandise.

[Mondrova]

Pfft, smallpox, we whip that out of our slaves over here boy.

Also, you know that native American's had also developed agriculture, right? Not all of them practiced it, but it was hardly an alien concept.

The entire reason the Europeans used Africans instead of natives is because the Africans were already immune to European diseases and knew how to work the land in European ways.

The natives all got sick and died and didn't know how to do the massive farms Euro-style that they were expected to do.

I wasn't being serious with the smallpox comment.

Also, my point was they knew about agriculture and practiced it in many places, nothing more.

[Great Nepal]

America is, as we have iterated and reiterated, locked for the time being.

-sigh-

All that work on an app...

Could I be accepted and just not jump in until I'm contacted by Europeans..?

Feel free to hang around in OOC and when America is unlocked, just repost the app. At the minute no land reserving.

Basically this African nation I'm thinking of would have the worlds most powerful slave trade empire. Their expansion into South America and the Caribbean would be for more slaves, trade with Europeans, and the reaping of resources using slaves.

You know, I practice slave trade as well... and I am going to spend everything to get to Americas when it is unlocked.

After a chat with Euronion, I might have Spain start building slightly better diplomatic relations with Portugal in case I potentially do need to drop out. If I do, there will be a marriage between Portuguese and Spanish royals and Euro gets the land.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I dont want to take on Portugal and Span at same time. Think of all the Jews in Spain...

[Euronion]

Basically this African nation I'm thinking of would have the worlds most powerful slave trade empire. Their expansion into South America and the Caribbean would be for more slaves, trade with Europeans, and the reaping of resources using slaves.

That is unless Kowloon-California get's his request for the Songhai Empire approved. In which case you will have competition.

[Euronion]

I posted finally, though I probably won't be able to post again for the rest of the weekend, I have my ACTs tomorrow and I still have tons of Homework, plus there's the Superbowl and I have to figure out stuff for Junior Prom with my date and my friends and all that. All in all busy busy weekend.

[Great Nepal]

I posted finally, though I probably won't be able to post again for the rest of the weekend, I have my ACTs tomorrow and I still have tons of Homework, plus there's the Superbowl and I have to figure out stuff for Junior Prom with my date and my friends and all that. All in all busy busy weekend.

The KoG are in seas between Britain and Ireland? I tried to look up Saint Peter's, but there are billions of them on map.

Also, how did a burning sulphur ship do minor damage on port which at this time would be built from wood? Wood and thatch are highly flammable, as soon as the boat touches a wood, everything near it will go in flames. Fire fighting techniques in middle ages was crap, especially when dealing with wide scale fires. The medieval street plan also sucked when it came to fires. Especially, when you consider there would be ships in port carrying sulphur and other flammable materials from trade.
Also, this happened after midnight, most port authorities would be sleeping since you have banned evening trading.

[The Cookish States]

-sigh-

All that work on an app...

Could I be accepted and just not jump in until I'm contacted by Europeans..?

I wish but no, a rule set by the OP.

I really do miss you <3

Also I am following in your footsteps. Well, no, not really. Navy, but I consider it all the same, cute muscular guys running around

Thank you!

Is there any European/Middle eastern nation available?

I speak Spanish, and so I do like RPing as any Spanish speaking nation. Do you think that perhaps I could RP as minor roles (Like emissary, noble, general, whatever) in the mean time? Of course, that would be up to the OP and whoever would be taking me in as a helper. I'm just interested in this timeframe, and you NEVER find a good historic RP, ever.

Eventually (ideally), I'd like to RP as Mexico or Cuba, possibly the Republic of Texas. But that bridge is quite a distance away.

[Jamzmania]

I wish but no, a rule set by the OP.

I really do miss you <3

Also I am following in your footsteps. Well, no, not really. Navy, but I consider it all the same, cute muscular guys running around

Thank you!

Is there any European/Middle eastern nation available?

I speak Spanish, and so I do like RPing as any Spanish speaking nation. Do you think that perhaps I could RP as minor roles (Like emissary, noble, general, whatever) in the mean time? Of course, that would be up to the OP and whoever would be taking me in as a helper. I'm just interested in this timeframe, and you NEVER find a good historic RP, ever.

Eventually (ideally), I'd like to RP as Mexico or Cuba, possibly the Republic of Texas. But that bridge is quite a distance away.

Texas is better.

[Great Nepal]

I wish but no, a rule set by the OP.

I really do miss you <3

Also I am following in your footsteps. Well, no, not really. Navy, but I consider it all the same, cute muscular guys running around

Thank you!

Is there any European/Middle eastern nation available?

I speak Spanish, and so I do like RPing as any Spanish speaking nation. Do you think that perhaps I could RP as minor roles (Like emissary, noble, general, whatever) in the mean time? Of course, that would be up to the OP and whoever would be taking me in as a helper. I'm just interested in this timeframe, and you NEVER find a good historic RP, ever.

Eventually (ideally), I'd like to RP as Mexico or Cuba, possibly the Republic of Texas. But that bridge is quite a distance away.

Nightkill is saying he could potentially drop out, if he does you could take Spain itself. Otherwise, Sweden etc are open (i think)...

[The Cookish States]

Thank you!

Is there any European/Middle eastern nation available?

I speak Spanish, and so I do like RPing as any Spanish speaking nation. Do you think that perhaps I could RP as minor roles (Like emissary, noble, general, whatever) in the mean time? Of course, that would be up to the OP and whoever would be taking me in as a helper. I'm just interested in this timeframe, and you NEVER find a good historic RP, ever.

Eventually (ideally), I'd like to RP as Mexico or Cuba, possibly the Republic of Texas. But that bridge is quite a distance away.

Texas is better.

Soy tejano, yo se

And if Nightkill pulled out, I'd MORE than gladly take the position. Of course, that's on him to decide. Perhaps it would be easier for him to leave knowing he wouldn't be leaving an empty spot? Who knows, I'm just here hangin' out, don't mind me!

[United States of Cascadia]

Portugal is banning night time trade eh? And closed harbours at night. Damn, I wish I had ports in the area. That would make good business for me.

[Great Nepal]

Portugal is banning night time trade eh? And closed harbours at night. Damn, I wish I had ports in the area. That would make good business for me.

You could have port in area, if you invaded Portugal...

[United States of Cascadia]

Portugal is banning night time trade eh? And closed harbours at night. Damn, I wish I had ports in the area. That would make good business for me.

You could have port in area, if you invaded Portugal...

Perhaps. A world war is brewing... We shall have to see how things play out.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Isn't Denmark at war?

He says he likes to raid Finland but he hasn't yet.

That plan was largely based on maintaining support and unity in Denmark by killing heretics/heathens. With the new Polish enemy, there's no reason why we should attack them; I doubt God is selective about which heretics we kill.

Also, as a general aside, no, Denmark won't be able to win the war on it's own, but 2,000 extra highly trained soldiers can turn the fortunes of any side in a 15th Century war.

[Great Nepal]

How many nations here would be willing to lend their navy for few months to year in exchange for cash? If you need them, you just return the money and take back the navy by giving twenty four hour notice.
The ships sitting in your ports doing nothing could give your cash...

[Priory Academy USSR]

How many nations here would be willing to lend their navy for few months to year in exchange for cash? If you need them, you just return the money and take back the navy by giving twenty four hour notice.
The ships sitting in your ports doing nothing could give your cash...

Depends what you're using them for. Any attack on Catholics with them is a no-no. And I'll probably only be able to lend about 10 ships at first, given that the rest of the fleet would be transporting the army to Poland.

[Great Nepal]

How many nations here would be willing to lend their navy for few months to year in exchange for cash? If you need them, you just return the money and take back the navy by giving twenty four hour notice.
The ships sitting in your ports doing nothing could give your cash...

Depends what you're using them for. Any attack on Catholics with them is a no-no. And I'll probably only be able to lend about 10 ships at first, given that the rest of the fleet would be transporting the army to Poland.

Defend Britain against KoG and if Portugal attacks, defending against them.
When we are in position to attack Portugal (if Portugal declares war), it will be done with Britain's own ships.

[United States of Cascadia]

How many nations here would be willing to lend their navy for few months to year in exchange for cash? If you need them, you just return the money and take back the navy by giving twenty four hour notice.
The ships sitting in your ports doing nothing could give your cash...

I'm sure Venice could lend some ships, in exchange for a port somewhere.

[Great Nepal]

How many nations here would be willing to lend their navy for few months to year in exchange for cash? If you need them, you just return the money and take back the navy by giving twenty four hour notice.
The ships sitting in your ports doing nothing could give your cash...

I'm sure Venice could lend some ships, in exchange for a port somewhere.

Right to use five port of your choosing in Britannia (except London) for rest and resupply in exchange of say 500 ships (0.15 of your navy)?

[United States of Cascadia]

I'm sure Venice could lend some ships, in exchange for a port somewhere.

Right to use five port of your choosing in Britannia (except London) for rest and resupply in exchange of say 500 ships (0.15 of your navy)?

My navy is 300 ships (ish) in total.

[Great Nepal]

Right to use five port of your choosing in Britannia (except London) for rest and resupply in exchange of say 500 ships (0.15 of your navy)?

My navy is 300 ships (ish) in total.

Isn't this your app?
If that is the case, 100 ships in exchange for right to use two ports of your choosing in Britannia (except London) for rest and resupply.

[United States of Cascadia]

My navy is 300 ships (ish) in total.

Isn't this your app?
If that is the case, 100 ships in exchange for right to use two ports of your choosing in Britannia (except London) for rest and resupply.

That was my earlier app iteration. Garwall thought the fleet size was to much for in this, so I dropped it down to around the amount of the stronger navies. This is my app as it now stands. I don't think I can give that many ships out though, as I am in a war for Dalmatia already, and most of the navy is being used there.

[Great Nepal]

Isn't this your app?
If that is the case, 100 ships in exchange for right to use two ports of your choosing in Britannia (except London) for rest and resupply.

That was my earlier app iteration. Garwall thought the fleet size was to much for in this, so I dropped it down to around the amount of the stronger navies. This is my app as it now stands. I don't think I can give that many ships out though, as I am in a war for Dalmatia already, and most of the navy is being used there.

Oh, I searched your name and that was one of first app, so thought you had 3300 ships. How much ships can you spare?

Edit: anyway, I am making that announcement in IC. People of the world, lend us your ships and get monies or other perks. Or better yet, just let us use them for free, we will remember your good will.