Europa Universalis: Our World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Bordurian]

Only really against Pagans.

Then you wouldn't be really listening to the Church.

Then I guess I won't I don't want to go to war with Russians right now.

[Mondrova]

Are you launching the crusade.

Only really against Pagans.

Then you aren't, otherwise it would be against anyone not Catholic, as per the edict. You wouldn't have to war with them all at once, but you'd need to kill them in your country and ban their religion.

[New Sapienta]

Then you wouldn't be really listening to the Church.

Then I guess I won't I don't want to go to war with Russians right now.

Good.

May as well convert while your at it.

[New Sapienta]

Anyway making my first IC post brb.

[Mondrova]

Then you wouldn't be really listening to the Church.

Then I guess I won't I don't want to go to war with Russians right now.

So not listening to the church. Hence to my original point, the church will most likely die soon, or relatively soon.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

So, for Spain now, should I reduce from 10 million down to 8 million? Or a bit more?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Then I guess I won't I don't want to go to war with Russians right now.

So not listening to the church. Hence to my original point, the church will most likely die soon, or relatively soon.

Hooray!

[Bordurian]

Anyway making my first IC post brb.

I would but I don't know what to post. Plus, the map isn't working on my computer.

[Ceannairceach]

Then I guess I won't I don't want to go to war with Russians right now.

So not listening to the church. Hence to my original point, the church will most likely die soon, or relatively soon.

Being a highly Catholic kingdom but having a not stupid monarch, I am of course going to listen and interpret the edict quite literally.

[Bordurian]

So, for Spain now, should I reduce from 10 million down to 8 million? Or a bit more?

Bit more.

[Mondrova]

So, for Spain now, should I reduce from 10 million down to 8 million? Or a bit more?

Well, I'm not sure, but you don't have a fairly large amount of Spain, and the link in the OP says Spain had 7 million in 1450, however, I think basically everyone has a population a little larger than it probably would have been, so maybe 7 million?

[Mondrova]

So not listening to the church. Hence to my original point, the church will most likely die soon, or relatively soon.

Being a highly Catholic kingdom but having a not stupid monarch, I am of course going to listen and interpret the edict quite literally.

It doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so you aren't listening to the church, so again, aside from the Danes, no one is, and I anticipate the church dying.

EDIT: MISREAD THAT.

[Bordurian]

Being a highly Catholic kingdom but having a not stupid monarch, I am of course going to listen and interpret the edict quite literally.

It doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so you aren't listening to the church, so again, aside from the Danes, no one is, and I anticipate the church dying.

Or the Pope will revoke the edict. I just might make the Catholic church of Poland.

[Ceannairceach]

Being a highly Catholic kingdom but having a not stupid monarch, I am of course going to listen and interpret the edict quite literally.

It doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so you aren't listening to the church, so again, aside from the Danes, no one is, and I anticipate the church dying.

It has several loopholes that I can fully exploit.

The big one being it calls for the death of heretics in lands that the church has jurisdiction. Which I shall interpret as lands directly administered by the church.

[Bordurian]

Any one have a working link for the map? Mine doesn't work.

[Parhe]

So not listening to the church. Hence to my original point, the church will most likely die soon, or relatively soon.

Being a highly Catholic kingdom but having a not stupid monarch, I am of course going to listen and interpret the edict quite literally.

From the letter is "From henceforth, all faiths that have been listed as heretical shall be outlawed, and shall not be practiced in any County of Europe where the Roman Catholic Church holds jurisdiction."

Since he didn't make a direct list exactly, I think it is implied and would include all religions but the Roman Catholic Church as having been listed as heretical. While in the IC post he lists the orthodox among Jews, Cathars, and Muslims, implying all of them are considered heretical.

[Mondrova]

It doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so you aren't listening to the church, so again, aside from the Danes, no one is, and I anticipate the church dying.

Or the Pope will revoke the edict. I just might make the Catholic church of Poland.

I he revokes it, he is basically admitting he has no power and so the institution would begin to collapse anyway.

[Parhe]

It doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so you aren't listening to the church, so again, aside from the Danes, no one is, and I anticipate the church dying.

It has several loopholes that I can fully exploit.

The big one being it calls for the death of heretics in lands that the church has jurisdiction. Which I shall interpret as lands directly administered by the church.

Well, if you are being literal, the letter also says "Those of the unclean faiths must be corrected, or perish at the hands of God's faithful servants. It is time to do God's work."

So if your people/king are God's faithful servants they should, unless your nation does not consider Roman Catholics God's faithful servants.

[Bordurian]

Or the Pope will revoke the edict. I just might make the Catholic church of Poland.

I he revokes it, he is basically admitting he has no power and so the institution would begin to collapse anyway.

Yeah. So I'll make a seperate Catholic Church.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

It has several loopholes that I can fully exploit.

The big one being it calls for the death of heretics in lands that the church has jurisdiction. Which I shall interpret as lands directly administered by the church.

Well, if you are being literal, the letter also says "Those of the unclean faiths must be corrected, or perish at the hands of God's faithful servants. It is time to do God's work."

So if your people/king are God's faithful servants they should, unless your nation does not consider Roman Catholics God's faithful servants.

He can interpret "unclean faiths" and "corrected" any way he wants.

[Mondrova]

It doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so you aren't listening to the church, so again, aside from the Danes, no one is, and I anticipate the church dying.

It has several loopholes that I can fully exploit.

The big one being it calls for the death of heretics in lands that the church has jurisdiction. Which I shall interpret as lands directly administered by the church.

By doing so, you are basically saying that you have no real intention of following the church's edicts.

[Parhe]

Well, if you are being literal, the letter also says "Those of the unclean faiths must be corrected, or perish at the hands of God's faithful servants. It is time to do God's work."

So if your people/king are God's faithful servants they should, unless your nation does not consider Roman Catholics God's faithful servants.

He can interpret "unclean faiths" and "corrected" any way he wants.

I doubt the Church will look at a nation purposely interpreting a message incorrectly differently from the way it looks at one nation that outright ignored it.

[Ceannairceach]

It has several loopholes that I can fully exploit.

The big one being it calls for the death of heretics in lands that the church has jurisdiction. Which I shall interpret as lands directly administered by the church.

By doing so, you are basically saying that you have no real intention of following the church's edicts.

Heretics will be killed, certainly; That does not mean that every person who doesn't follow the Pope, twelve percent of my nation I might add, will be killed. But a show of loyalty is certainly not not following them.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

It has several loopholes that I can fully exploit.

The big one being it calls for the death of heretics in lands that the church has jurisdiction. Which I shall interpret as lands directly administered by the church.

By doing so, you are basically saying that you have no real intention of following the church's edicts.

He's basically saying he's a true Catholic, in other words.

[Mondrova]

By doing so, you are basically saying that you have no real intention of following the church's edicts.

Heretics will be killed, certainly; That does not mean that every person who doesn't follow the Pope, twelve percent of my nation I might add, will be killed. But a show of loyalty is certainly not not following them.

So you will not be following the churches orders because you disagree with it. Hence, you are not listening and in fact ignoring the church, at least to some extent. I'm not saying you can't, though I find it very odd that in a time when the church was supremely important you wouldn't, I'm just pointing out it will most likely contribute to the Catholic churches complete collapse.