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[The Jonathanian States]

You're good.
But Nay.
Everyone knows that Venice is the richest and that its Ducats are worth more than a Pise.
Also,pise is a damn biased name,who would use a biased coin?
On contrary,the Ducat,do you hear it,Duuuucaaat.
No,no mentioning of Venice there.
A totally unbiased coin.

Everybody else is using Florins.
That's a biased name.
Get with it, use a biased name

It was only used since 1252.
You cheaters

*goes home and counts his ducats*

[Alleniana]

Everybody else is using Florins.
That's a biased name.
Get with it, use a biased name

It was only used since 1252.
You cheaters

*goes home and counts his ducats*

Muahaha.
*Goes around the neighbourhood stealing money...


melting it down into Pises and putting it back*

[The Jonathanian States]

It was only used since 1252.
You cheaters

*goes home and counts his ducats*

Muahaha.
*Goes around the neighbourhood stealing money...


melting it down into Pises and putting it back*

I hereby found the FFD!
This organization shall protect users of rightfull currencies against the smelters.
It also shall remint foreign Coins.
Into Glorious Ducats.
Long Live Venice!
Long Live the Ducat!
Long Live Freedom For the Ducats!
*group throws hats in the air,but due to being helmets everybody gets knocked down*.

[Alleniana]

Muahaha.
*Goes around the neighbourhood stealing money...


melting it down into Pises and putting it back*

I hereby found the FFD!
This organization shall protect users of rightfull currencies against the smelters.
It also shall remint foreign Coins.
Into Glorious Ducats.
Long Live Venice!
Long Live the Ducat!
Long Live Freedom For the Ducats!
*group throws hats in the air,but due to being helmets everybody gets knocked down*.

*while they are all knocked out all their money is stolen to be remelted as well as the molds for the ducat are destroyed*

[The Jonathanian States]

I hereby found the FFD!
This organization shall protect users of rightfull currencies against the smelters.
It also shall remint foreign Coins.
Into Glorious Ducats.
Long Live Venice!
Long Live the Ducat!
Long Live Freedom For the Ducats!
*group throws hats in the air,but due to being helmets everybody gets knocked down*.

*while they are all knocked out all their money is stolen to be remelted as well as the molds for the ducat are destroyed*

You onky found some coins they had with them,you didnt see the coins and molds hidden in the secret hidden compartments in the helmets.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

TO BE FINAL: There was no single currency. Gold and silver were most common, and different states minted their own coins. It didn't matter if you got Spanish gold in France because they would just use it or smelt it into French coins.

THERE! NO MORE DEBATE!

[Alleniana]

*while they are all knocked out all their money is stolen to be remelted as well as the molds for the ducat are destroyed*

You onky found some coins they had with them,you didnt see the coins and molds hidden in the secret hidden compartments in the helmets.

Aaagghh!!! NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
More Pises!
*melts all gold in sight into Pises*

TO BE FINAL: There was no single currency. Gold and silver were most common, and different states minted their own coins. It didn't matter if you got Spanish gold in France because they would just use it or smelt it into French coins.

THERE! NO MORE DEBATE!

There were some major currencies that were widely accepted. I'm trying to propel Pisa into the proprietor of one of them.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

You onky found some coins they had with them,you didnt see the coins and molds hidden in the secret hidden compartments in the helmets.

Aaagghh!!! NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
More Pises!
*melts all gold in sight into Pises*

TO BE FINAL: There was no single currency. Gold and silver were most common, and different states minted their own coins. It didn't matter if you got Spanish gold in France because they would just use it or smelt it into French coins.

THERE! NO MORE DEBATE!

There were some major currencies that were widely accepted. I'm trying to propel Pisa into the proprietor of one of them.

Why don't you just invent the Euro.

[Alleniana]

Euro is racist, the Muslims can't use them

[Mauretania Tingitana]

:rofl:

Euro is racist, the Muslims can't use them

You're racist! Islam is a religion. Also, there is no significant Muslim presence in Europe except in Adalusia at this moment in time.

[The Jonathanian States]

TO BE FINAL: There was no single currency. Gold and silver were most common, and different states minted their own coins. It didn't matter if you got Spanish gold in France because they would just use it or smelt it into French coins.

THERE! NO MORE DEBATE!

Almost Correct.

TO BE FINAL: There was one single currency. Gold and silver were most common,in the form of the ducat, and different states minted their own ducats. It didn't matter if you got Spanish gold in France because they would just use it or smelt it into French fake ducats.

You onky found some coins they had with them,you didnt see the coins and molds hidden in the secret hidden compartments in the helmets.

Aaagghh!!! NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
More Pises!
*melts all gold in sight into Pises*

[/quote]
No gold in sight.
We Venetians make luxurious furniture to hide it.

:rofl:

Euro is racist, the Muslims can't use them

:rofl:

Euro is racist, the Muslims can't use them

You're racist! Islam is a religion. Also, there is no significant Muslim presence in Europe except in Adalusia at this moment in time.

Well,I trade with muslims......

[Alleniana]

:rofl:

Euro is racist, the Muslims can't use them

You're racist! Islam is a religion. Also, there is no significant Muslim presence in Europe except in Adalusia at this moment in time.

But I want to trade with Muslims!
*cries in corner behind Venetian couch and discovers a cache of ducats*

[Valentir]

The Pises and the Septim coins will be dominant in France. The Septim will be the new coin in France and Alleniana I propose we fully ally together. That we become a client Kingdom and combine our strength. We will still hold our sovereignty but our people, armies, navies, and resources will be combined.

[The Jonathanian States]

Marseilles, France, Restored Kingdom of France
Titus was hitting a pole with a hammer. He hit a nail in and then had another man take his place. Titus was working with the carpenters and laborers in Dijon. Titus had 3000 men and the french navy of 30 ships stationed there. Titus wanted a sea wall built and any river that touched the Mediterranean was closed and dammed permanently so it could not be used by the enemy. Titus then sent General Tullius with 10,000 and began to the attack on the Holy Roman Province of Savoy and Switzerland. Then Titus had the fortifications of Marseilles improved. The guards were armed with steel weapons and in the towers mangonels and ballista would be able to shot at enemy ships. The sea walls were cold stone and 15 feet thick and the gate could be closed. Titus had shipwrights built to house broken and destroyed ships he had the construction of 40 new ships ordered. Then Titus moved on and helped finish the roads from Marseilles to Dijon. Then Titus called out 10,000 militia to help build the roads. The militia would be paid by the french merchants guild. Then Titus sold 7 of the 8 artifacts for a nice amount of 30,000 florins. Then Titus had all the gold and silver coins in France melted down and had a new currency instated as fast as possible, the septim. The new septim would be in silver which was worth 3 florins, and the gold septim, which was worth 5 florins. Titus would let this currency be used by the Pisans, Aragonese, and the English. France was on a path out of its depression and recession. The economy, thanks to the Pisan help, was beginning to heal and the paved roads would help merchants, peasants, soldiers, and everyone travel faster and encourage much needed growth around France. Then Titus drawed out the rest of the 10,000 militia and had them help the farmers and agricultural workers around France rebuild their homes, harvest their crops, and expand their farms. Titus then sent a messenger to the Pope inviting him to the coronation and Titus had the gold crown Murgo brought fitted for him, it would be the new crown of french Kings'.
OOC: This is what Titus looks like (Image)

Sorry,but there are a couple issues.

1)
You dont have any ships:

Then he disbanded all French Ships /quote]
2)
How the heck did you fit mangonel into towers.
3)
How fast did you fortify Marseilles?
4)
Sea gate?
The closest thing to that was the byzantine chain.
It was considered a mastership of engineering,you wouldnt be able to simply build such a thing.
5)
That may be the offical exchange rates,but the de facto ones,would be dependent on the amount of precious metals in the coins,which usually was checked by weight.

These were the OP-issues.
Now as rp:
Could you please react to this

"Well,thats interesting....
France seems to have broken down.
Send word to their king that if he wants to continue following the path he should restore the treaty of venice,and grant us reparations.
If not,then the grand navy is ready."

[Valentir]

Marseilles, France, Restored Kingdom of France
Titus was hitting a pole with a hammer. He hit a nail in and then had another man take his place. Titus was working with the carpenters and laborers in Dijon. Titus had 3000 men and the french navy of 30 ships stationed there. Titus wanted a sea wall built and any river that touched the Mediterranean was closed and dammed permanently so it could not be used by the enemy. Titus then sent General Tullius with 10,000 and began to the attack on the Holy Roman Province of Savoy and Switzerland. Then Titus had the fortifications of Marseilles improved. The guards were armed with steel weapons and in the towers mangonels and ballista would be able to shot at enemy ships. The sea walls were cold stone and 15 feet thick and the gate could be closed. Titus had shipwrights built to house broken and destroyed ships he had the construction of 40 new ships ordered. Then Titus moved on and helped finish the roads from Marseilles to Dijon. Then Titus called out 10,000 militia to help build the roads. The militia would be paid by the french merchants guild. Then Titus sold 7 of the 8 artifacts for a nice amount of 30,000 florins. Then Titus had all the gold and silver coins in France melted down and had a new currency instated as fast as possible, the septim. The new septim would be in silver which was worth 3 florins, and the gold septim, which was worth 5 florins. Titus would let this currency be used by the Pisans, Aragonese, and the English. France was on a path out of its depression and recession. The economy, thanks to the Pisan help, was beginning to heal and the paved roads would help merchants, peasants, soldiers, and everyone travel faster and encourage much needed growth around France. Then Titus drawed out the rest of the 10,000 militia and had them help the farmers and agricultural workers around France rebuild their homes, harvest their crops, and expand their farms. Titus then sent a messenger to the Pope inviting him to the coronation and Titus had the gold crown Murgo brought fitted for him, it would be the new crown of french Kings'.
OOC: This is what Titus looks like (Image)

Sorry,but there are a couple issues.

1)
You dont have any ships:

Then he disbanded all French Ships /quote]
2)
How the heck did you fit mangonel into towers.
3)
How fast did you fortify Marseilles?
4)
Sea gate?
The closest thing to that was the byzantine chain.
It was considered a mastership of engineering,you wouldnt be able to simply build such a thing.
5)
That may be the offical exchange rates,but the de facto ones,would be dependent on the amount of precious metals in the coins,which usually was checked by weight.

These were the OP-issues.
Now as rp:
Could you please react to this

1) Marseilles is still under construction, I stated that, it isn't done yet
2)The sea wall will not be constructed as fast and it will take like for France, 20 years to complete but we can do it, but very slowly
3)Yes the currency values I stated are official exchange rates, the de facto ones are weighed by the amount of Gold and silver yes, I do not see the problem there
4)There are smaller versions of Mangonels that do fit in towers, they are not as effective as the bigger versions though
5)Meh, I keep forgetting I disbanded my damn navy, then they will be under construction then, anything else?

[The Jonathanian States]

Sorry,but there are a couple issues.

1)
You dont have any ships:

1) Marseilles is still under construction, I stated that, it isn't done yet
2)The sea wall will not be constructed as fast and it will take like for France, 20 years to complete but we can do it, but very slowly
3)Yes the currency values I stated are official exchange rates, the de facto ones are weighed by the amount of Gold and silver yes, I do not see the problem there
4)There are smaller versions of Mangonels that do fit in towers, they are not as effective as the bigger versions though
5)Meh, I keep forgetting I disbanded my damn navy, then they will be under construction then, anything else?

1)yeah,didnt read the "wanted",ok.
2)ok.
2)ok.
4)really? ok,but I'd appreciate either a source,or someone else who knows that too.
5)ok,not as OP.

Could you answer to the note as rper?
And yes,I meant to make it in the "send word", unoffical, style.

[Valentir]

1) Marseilles is still under construction, I stated that, it isn't done yet
2)The sea wall will not be constructed as fast and it will take like for France, 20 years to complete but we can do it, but very slowly
3)Yes the currency values I stated are official exchange rates, the de facto ones are weighed by the amount of Gold and silver yes, I do not see the problem there
4)There are smaller versions of Mangonels that do fit in towers, they are not as effective as the bigger versions though
5)Meh, I keep forgetting I disbanded my damn navy, then they will be under construction then, anything else?

1)yeah,didnt read the "wanted",ok.
2)ok.
2)ok.
4)really? ok,but I'd appreciate either a source,or someone else who knows that too.
5)ok,not as OP.

Could you answer to the note as rper?
And yes,I meant to make it in the "send word", unoffical, style.

I'm a bit annoyed that you want to trade with so bad. I mean you want to trade but then if you go to war with me and I destroy your land force I win because I closed off all rivers in France that connect to the Mediterranean. Like you can trade with other people. This is what happened with Pisa. And if I do win on land and we make a treaty I will not trade with you at all. So its a 70% to 20% chance this could go your way and the 70% is me. So do what you want but Titus bends his knee to only God and the Pope.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

1) Marseilles is still under construction, I stated that, it isn't done yet
2)The sea wall will not be constructed as fast and it will take like for France, 20 years to complete but we can do it, but very slowly
3)Yes the currency values I stated are official exchange rates, the de facto ones are weighed by the amount of Gold and silver yes, I do not see the problem there
4)There are smaller versions of Mangonels that do fit in towers, they are not as effective as the bigger versions though
5)Meh, I keep forgetting I disbanded my damn navy, then they will be under construction then, anything else?

1)yeah,didnt read the "wanted",ok.
2)ok.
2)ok.
4)really? ok,but I'd appreciate either a source,or someone else who knows that too.
5)ok,not as OP.

Could you answer to the note as rper?
And yes,I meant to make it in the "send word", unoffical, style.

Mangonels from towers were uncommon as hell. But possible. But it was an Anatolian theme.

[The Jonathanian States]

1)yeah,didnt read the "wanted",ok.
2)ok.
2)ok.
4)really? ok,but I'd appreciate either a source,or someone else who knows that too.
5)ok,not as OP.

Could you answer to the note as rper?
And yes,I meant to make it in the "send word", unoffical, style.

Mangonels from towers were uncommon as hell. But possible. But it was an Anatolian theme.

well,frenchmen missing out a crusade was too......
But thanks.

1)yeah,didnt read the "wanted",ok.
2)ok.
2)ok.
4)really? ok,but I'd appreciate either a source,or someone else who knows that too.
5)ok,not as OP.

Could you answer to the note as rper?
And yes,I meant to make it in the "send word", unoffical, style.

I'm a bit annoyed that you want to trade with so bad. I mean you want to trade but then if you go to war with me and I destroy your land force I win because I closed off all rivers in France that connect to the Mediterranean. Like you can trade with other people. This is what happened with Pisa. And if I do win on land and we make a treaty I will not trade with you at all. So its a 70% to 20% chance this could go your way and the 70% is me. So do what you want but Titus bends his knee to only God and the Pope.

Wrong.
You thought in the right direction,but didnt finish the thought.
Why do I need to invade you.
I can simply blockade your trade.
I mean,think of all your borders:

-HRE- war,no trade.
-England- neutral,some trade.
-Sea-blockaded,no trade.
-Aragon-somewhere between enemy and neutral(at least as god as I follow),god relations and influence of Venice,low-to-no trade.(this may be wrong if I missunderstood your relations).

Nothing else left.
That means that if I blockade the small piece of coast you still have,france will be more or less stuck,without trade our foreign goods.
I assume you still remember the conversation we(you,alleniana,me) had here about goods and sieges....
Thats not much time for france in such a case,
considering that some of these goods would either come by sea or from the HRE.....
I wouldnt give france more than half a year to brake in such conditions.

[Valentir]

Mangonels from towers were uncommon as hell. But possible. But it was an Anatolian theme.

well,frenchmen missing out a crusade was too......
But thanks.

I'm a bit annoyed that you want to trade with so bad. I mean you want to trade but then if you go to war with me and I destroy your land force I win because I closed off all rivers in France that connect to the Mediterranean. Like you can trade with other people. This is what happened with Pisa. And if I do win on land and we make a treaty I will not trade with you at all. So its a 70% to 20% chance this could go your way and the 70% is me. So do what you want but Titus bends his knee to only God and the Pope.

Wrong.
You thought in the right direction,but didnt finish the thought.
Why do I need to invade you.
I can simply blockade your trade.
I mean,think of all your borders:

-HRE- war,no trade.
-England- neutral,some trade.
-Sea-blockaded,no trade.
-Aragon-somewhere between enemy and neutral(at least as god as I follow),god relations and influence of Venice,low-to-no trade.(this may be wrong if I missunderstood your relations).

Nothing else left.
That means that if I blockade the small piece of coast you still have,france will be more or less stuck,without trade our foreign goods.
I assume you still remember the conversation we(you,alleniana,me) had here about goods and sieges....
Thats not much time for france in such a case,
considering that some of these goods would either come by sea or from the HRE.....
I wouldnt give france more than half a year to brake in such conditions.

You forget that all we need is basic supplies we can produce our selves. And if you really want trade make me an offer instead of being some big shot with a good navy, Titus hates big shots and so do I personally, very personally in fact. And we can trade by land with Pisa and I can smuggle in supplies and I can increase my relations with England if I really needed to. and if you are so bent on subduing me then just try already. France produces timber, iron, coal, cattle, wine, all sorts of food, we have small to medium stockpiles of everything we need, we also produce stone, marble, silk, and lots and lots of wheat which is what we really need.

[The Jonathanian States]

well,frenchmen missing out a crusade was too......
But thanks.



Wrong.
You thought in the right direction,but didnt finish the thought.
Why do I need to invade you.
I can simply blockade your trade.
I mean,think of all your borders:

-HRE- war,no trade.
-England- neutral,some trade.
-Sea-blockaded,no trade.
-Aragon-somewhere between enemy and neutral(at least as god as I follow),god relations and influence of Venice,low-to-no trade.(this may be wrong if I missunderstood your relations).

Nothing else left.
That means that if I blockade the small piece of coast you still have,france will be more or less stuck,without trade our foreign goods.
I assume you still remember the conversation we(you,alleniana,me) had here about goods and sieges....
Thats not much time for france in such a case,
considering that some of these goods would either come by sea or from the HRE.....
I wouldnt give france more than half a year to brake in such conditions.

You forget that all we need is basic supplies we can produce our selves. And if you really want trade make me an offer instead of being some big shot with a good navy, Titus hates big shots and so do I personally, very personally in fact. And we can trade by land with Pisa and I can smuggle in supplies and I can increase my relations with England if I really needed to. and if you are so bent on subduing me then just try already. France produces timber, iron, coal, cattle, wine, all sorts of food, we have small to medium stockpiles of everything we need, we also produce stone, marble, silk, and lots and lots of wheat which is what we really need.

Almost all.
I dont want simply trade.I want restoration.Status Quo.
Do you mean OOCly? I often do too.But this is IC,dont mix them.
Land trade is slow.
And I could blockade pisa too,thanks to you reducing your own coast.
From where?
Well,for that england needs to reappear first.
I dont want to subdue you.I want the treaty back,not more,not less.
Yes,to all of them,except "which is what we really need",which is wrong.
There is one thing missing.
Salt.
Without salt you wont survive through a full winter,as it was used to conserve food.

[Valentir]

You forget that all we need is basic supplies we can produce our selves. And if you really want trade make me an offer instead of being some big shot with a good navy, Titus hates big shots and so do I personally, very personally in fact. And we can trade by land with Pisa and I can smuggle in supplies and I can increase my relations with England if I really needed to. and if you are so bent on subduing me then just try already. France produces timber, iron, coal, cattle, wine, all sorts of food, we have small to medium stockpiles of everything we need, we also produce stone, marble, silk, and lots and lots of wheat which is what we really need.

Almost all.
I dont want simply trade.I want restoration.Status Quo.
Do you mean OOCly? I often do too.But this is IC,dont mix them.
Land trade is slow.
And I could blockade pisa too,thanks to you reducing your own coast.
From where?
Well,for that england needs to reappear first.
I dont want to subdue you.I want the treaty back,not more,not less.
Yes,to all of them,except "which is what we really need",which is wrong.
There is one thing missing.
Salt.
Without salt you wont survive through a full winter,as it was used to conserve food.

You want your merchants back in our ports. well I will not bring back that treaty because it is biased. But I will let your merchants back in but like everyone else except Pisa they will have to pay the higher prices and obey French Laws. And the old houses for your merchants belong to Pisa now actually. and on the salt issue I can pay Aragon a nice amount or help the Almohads for a nice deal. Or I can ask England if I can send my merchants to england where they can make salt. So what are you going to do?

[Sauron the Conquerer]

Hello, is the Kingdom of Arles available?

[The Jonathanian States]

Almost all.
I dont want simply trade.I want restoration.Status Quo.
Do you mean OOCly? I often do too.But this is IC,dont mix them.
Land trade is slow.
And I could blockade pisa too,thanks to you reducing your own coast.
From where?
Well,for that england needs to reappear first.
I dont want to subdue you.I want the treaty back,not more,not less.
Yes,to all of them,except "which is what we really need",which is wrong.
There is one thing missing.
Salt.
Without salt you wont survive through a full winter,as it was used to conserve food.

You want your merchants back in our ports. well I will not bring back that treaty because it is biased. But I will let your merchants back in but like everyone else except Pisa they will have to pay the higher prices and obey French Laws. And the old houses for your merchants belong to Pisa now actually. and on the salt issue I can pay Aragon a nice amount or help the Almohads for a nice deal. Or I can ask England if I can send my merchants to england where they can make salt. So what are you going to do?

'course its biased.
Its a surrender treaty.
Wanna have a bidding race with aragon.....
The almohads have been pushed south - It'd take some time for them to reach up to your border.
Again - money against money,I can agree on buying the salt for higher prices.Lets see whom england agrees to.
Hunger France out.
In the long run,without salt,you're dead.

[Valentir]

You want your merchants back in our ports. well I will not bring back that treaty because it is biased. But I will let your merchants back in but like everyone else except Pisa they will have to pay the higher prices and obey French Laws. And the old houses for your merchants belong to Pisa now actually. and on the salt issue I can pay Aragon a nice amount or help the Almohads for a nice deal. Or I can ask England if I can send my merchants to england where they can make salt. So what are you going to do?

'course its biased.
Its a surrender treaty.
Wanna have a bidding race with aragon.....
The almohads have been pushed south - It'd take some time for them to reach up to your border.
Again - money against money,I can agree on buying the salt for higher prices.Lets see whom england agrees to.
Hunger France out.
In the long run,without salt,you're dead.

Ok I have had enough, you want to have your merchants in my ports, FINE, but nothing else, there will be no price bargains and you will pay the same rates everyone else pays. I will not give you a special deal just because you threaten me "Oh I'm gonna starve out France". Jesus!!!!!!!! You are really annoying with this GRAND fleet stuff and you really want me to trade with you because you have a navy and I don't, NO!!!! You can have your merchants in France or not, thats it. No bargains, no price reductions, no special treatment. You can wait in line with everyone else and pay the price. Your call now.