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[The Jonathanian States]

There ain't no Venetians in Kiev......
There ain't no Venetians in Byzantine......
There ain't no Venetians in the Black Sea......
There ain't no Venetians in Aegean.......
There ain't no Venetians from Kiev to the Aegean...........

Actually I still have the fleet in the aegean, not that you´d know about it IC, but it still is there.

[G-Tech Corporation]

There ain't no Venetians in Kiev......
There ain't no Venetians in Byzantine......
There ain't no Venetians in the Black Sea......
There ain't no Venetians in Aegean.......
There ain't no Venetians from Kiev to the Aegean...........

Actually I still have the fleet in the aegean, not that you´d know about it IC, but it still is there.

How are you supplying them? By sea?

[The Jonathanian States]

Actually I still have the fleet in the aegean, not that you´d know about it IC, but it still is there.

How are you supplying them? By sea?

Yes.

[The Jonathanian States]

The King receives the French letter, and is appauled at how outrageous the French King can be. A letter is sent in reply:
"I have made two alliance offers, you denied both. I sent two peace confirmations, they were only signed when the Pope forced you to. You attacked the Holy Roman Empire, occupied Venice, vassalised Provence, betrayed Milan and tried to vassalise Blois, and you honestly think that I am going to trust you? I don't know what you have been drinking, but this is just ridiculous! England will not be joining this 'Western Catholic Brothers League', unless the Pope decrees it or you can convince us."

Dear King Julian, the French King is disappointed that you declined but understands. We will not convince and we will not make the Pope do so either. Our past mistakes are very deep and we were cowards then. If you change your mind please write us back, but until we consider relations Indifferent. We apologize for past grievances and we hope you understand our position. However we will have no further contact unless either of us are in dire need. And we will not be so happy should you declare war on us. Sincerely King Justin of France, Provence, Milan, and French Flanders.

Some issues.
a)You dont hold Milan, the rp of overlord has been ignored and you didnt invade it.
b)Flanders was a County(Graafschap)
c)Milan, even if you would hold it, is a duchy.

[DrakoBlaria]

HERBY,I ANNOUNCE. GOD
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=224278

[Valentir]

Dear King Julian, the French King is disappointed that you declined but understands. We will not convince and we will not make the Pope do so either. Our past mistakes are very deep and we were cowards then. If you change your mind please write us back, but until we consider relations Indifferent. We apologize for past grievances and we hope you understand our position. However we will have no further contact unless either of us are in dire need. And we will not be so happy should you declare war on us. Sincerely King Justin of France, Provence, Milan, and French Flanders.

Some issues.
a)You dont hold Milan, the rp of overlord has been ignored and you didnt invade it.
b)Flanders was a County(Graafschap)
c)Milan, even if you would hold it, is a duchy.

Really, it was a statement showing that france is more powerful than it is. I though you would see its also a slap in the face because he said I betrayed Milan. And I have an army headed there to take it anyways I know overlord's RP was ignored. We also have some land in flanders. look at map.

[Alleniana]

Defend?

Why would I attack you? I am busy in The Khanates and soon Galicia.

Well your hostile in France's Eyes. That and you and your little buddies think they own the World. And Pisa, France is nice,Strong, and full of Energy. We are not weak.

Then why does England own most of your territory?

[The Jonathanian States]

Some issues.
a)You dont hold Milan, the rp of overlord has been ignored and you didnt invade it.
b)Flanders was a County(Graafschap)
c)Milan, even if you would hold it, is a duchy.

Really, it was a statement showing that france is more powerful than it is. I though you would see its also a slap in the face because he said I betrayed Milan. And I have an army headed there to take it anyways I know overlord's RP was ignored. We also have some land in flanders. look at map.

I know you have lands in Flanders, but it (Flanders) is only a county, not a Kingdom.

You know that attacking Milan would be a provokation to all of Italy, dont you?

[DrakoBlaria]

So any tips for my RP viewtopic.php?f=31&t=224278 ??

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Really, it was a statement showing that france is more powerful than it is. I though you would see its also a slap in the face because he said I betrayed Milan. And I have an army headed there to take it anyways I know overlord's RP was ignored. We also have some land in flanders. look at map.

I know you have lands in Flanders, but it (Flanders) is only a county, not a Kingdom.

You know that attacking Milan would be a provokation to all of Italy, dont you?

and the Hre as it controls most of italy

[The Jonathanian States]

I know you have lands in Flanders, but it (Flanders) is only a county, not a Kingdom.

You know that attacking Milan would be a provokation to all of Italy, dont you?

and the Hre as it controls most of italy

Yep.I didnt think of it as the HRE has no player, but yes, that´d also be an attack on the HRE.
And while you are fighting against the Lombard League the West Germans or the Empire in total might try to use the chance for some nice land gobbling in france.

[Valentir]

Ok Ok I'll top attacking the HRE, fracking vultures man.

[G-Tech Corporation]

An arrow to the knee Inesea? Really?

[Alleniana]

From now on, I'm gonna try and include references in some fo my posts.

[DrakoBlaria]

Just saying the Italian republics should star compete with each other.If they dont capitalism as we know it might never EXIIIIIIST

[The Jonathanian States]

Just saying the Italian republics should star compete with each other.If they dont capitalism as we know it might never EXIIIIIIST

Where´s the problem?

[DrakoBlaria]

Just saying the Italian republics should star compete with each other.If they dont capitalism as we know it might never EXIIIIIIST

Where´s the problem?

Cause the Italian republics worked like buisness and compited in an Oligopolis fashion.You guys are just attacking each other or not even attacking.Please,fix that.DONT LET DEM COMMIES RULE

[The Jonathanian States]

Where´s the problem?

Cause the Italian republics worked like buisness and compited in an Oligopolis fashion.You guys are just attacking each other or not even attacking.Please,fix that.DONT LET DEM COMMIES RULE

I know they competed.
Genoa is dead, Pisa joined the crusade,so my hands are chained.

And in regard to florence........
Who knows, one should choose alliances carefully.....

[G-Tech Corporation]

Where´s the problem?

Cause the Italian republics worked like buisness and compited in an Oligopolis fashion.You guys are just attacking each other or not even attacking.Please,fix that.DONT LET DEM COMMIES RULE

Psh. The command economy has worked wonders for Great Russia. The Grand Prince commands, the nobility oversees, the peasantry produces.

[DrakoBlaria]

Cause the Italian republics worked like buisness and compited in an Oligopolis fashion.You guys are just attacking each other or not even attacking.Please,fix that.DONT LET DEM COMMIES RULE

Psh. The command economy has worked wonders for Great Russia. The Grand Prince commands, the nobility oversees, the peasantry produces.

Seems a lot like the USSR

[G-Tech Corporation]

Psh. The command economy has worked wonders for Great Russia. The Grand Prince commands, the nobility oversees, the peasantry produces.

Seems a lot like the USSR

Nah, feudalism. Even better than Socialist dictators; a monarch with the divine right to rule.

[DrakoBlaria]

Seems a lot like the USSR

Nah, feudalism. Even better than Socialist dictators; a monarch with the divine right to rule.

Still looks a lot like the USSR.Just with less killing.
The capitalist model is better.And by the way what you said is the 'ways of production' you did not mention the competition (which in that time was mostly international with city-states/kingdoms used as buisness)

[G-Tech Corporation]

Nah, feudalism. Even better than Socialist dictators; a monarch with the divine right to rule.

Still looks a lot like the USSR.Just with less killing.
The capitalist model is better.And by the way what you said is the 'ways of production' you did not mention the competition (which in that time was mostly international with city-states/kingdoms used as buisness)

Nah, competition wouldn't be big enough to be an issue in 1202. The costs of trade due to distance and the difficulty of transport would have made the non-local manufacture of all by highly specialized and luxury goods unfeasible. Truthfully the trade of common raw materials and manufactured goods didn't come into the scene in Europe until around the Industrial Revolution.

[DrakoBlaria]

Still looks a lot like the USSR.Just with less killing.
The capitalist model is better.And by the way what you said is the 'ways of production' you did not mention the competition (which in that time was mostly international with city-states/kingdoms used as buisness)

Nah, competition wouldn't be big enough to be an issue in 1202. The costs of trade due to distance and the difficulty of transport would have made the non-local manufacture of all by highly specialized and luxury goods unfeasible. Truthfully the trade of common raw materials and manufactured goods didn't come into the scene in Europe until around the Industrial Revolution.

Trade around the mediteranean 'nods' .Then again it was usually used to bring products only available in Asia and Africa.

Is it just me or does Anarchism and Communism look like how ancient farmers used to live?

[Alleniana]

I'm gonna gradually republicize Pisa with equality and stuff.