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Chemaki
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Postby Chemaki » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Neo Arcad wrote:What.
Did you just call the Lee-Enfield a semi-automatic rifle?
Ok, new rule. Chem isn't allowed to do weapons tech anymore.


Shush, it's got a magazine! I thought that meant it was semi-automatic! ;n;

Delanshar wrote:I think that alot of people have already given some good ideas on how to properly balance military tech with the point system.

My idea is to further balance things out, we should incorporate economics and happiness directly into war.
By this I mean we should set strict limits for how well a certain nation, regardless of military tech, can fight without it seriously harming their economy and happiness.

Here's some examples:

If your nation has an economy of less than 15 points, you cannot wage war for more than a month without running into serious supply trouble. Even if you have a near perfect military.

If you have happiness of less than 50 % then you cannot wage war for more than a month without facing serious civil unrest such as strikes, protests etc. This may in turn harm your economy. Even if you have a near perfect military.

On the opposite side of the spectrum.

If you have an economy of above 25, then your military effectiveness will actually INCREASE the longer you fight a war, due to mobilization of your industrial and commercial sectors for the war effort.

If you have happiness of above 80 %, then your military numbers will increase as the war goes on due to large number of able bodied volunteers..

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Now obviously this is a very simplistic assessment. But if this is expanded and put into detail I think it could be a good way to balance the game. It would make people think twice about putting lots of points in military tech while disregarding other things like economy. Your military doesn't exist in a vaccum after all.


With nations with differently-structured militaries like mine, your point system doesn't really work.

Tibet can pretty easily hold a wartime economy, but the fact that it has a huge active military (virtually everyone who is unemployed is drafted into the monks, the military or the military police service, hence why the military is at an all-time 2-3%) means that it can't draft any more people without seriously hurting it. Even though my economy's only 11, my nation size means that I can easily supply one or two fronts almost indefinitely, provided I don't get pushed back. I think each nation should have their own unique approach to their interpretation of the points system, taking into account their size, geography, politics and culture.

But that's just me. I like being overly complicated.

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Postby New Bern99 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:47 pm

How did we jump from revamping military points system to revamping economy points system?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:48 pm

New Bern99 wrote:How did we jump from revamping military points system to revamping economy points system?

Because they are both in the point system and are tied to each other?

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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:23 pm

Actually, one thing. NK said that throughout the RP, based on events, nations will receive extra points. Meaning, you can put extra points into economy. So as time goes on, what i'm suggesting is, as the number of available points increases, so do the numbers on IC, Banking, etc. Make any sense?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:24 pm

New Babylonia wrote:Actually, one thing. NK said that throughout the RP, based on events, nations will receive extra points. Meaning, you can put extra points into economy. So as time goes on, what i'm suggesting is, as the number of available points increases, so do the numbers on IC, Banking, etc. Make any sense?

That's a pretty good idea, actually.

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Postby Garwall » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:30 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
New Babylonia wrote:Actually, one thing. NK said that throughout the RP, based on events, nations will receive extra points. Meaning, you can put extra points into economy. So as time goes on, what i'm suggesting is, as the number of available points increases, so do the numbers on IC, Banking, etc. Make any sense?

That's a pretty good idea, actually.


I agree. Points for military tech and such should also increase over time.

By the way; after calculating my GDP (finally), Russia now has a nominal GDP of 6.3 trillion: approximately 1 trillion higher than the previous most high GDP. Mauahahahaha!
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:44 pm

Garwall wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:That's a pretty good idea, actually.


I agree. Points for military tech and such should also increase over time.

By the way; after calculating my GDP (finally), Russia now has a nominal GDP of 6.3 trillion: approximately 1 trillion higher than the previous most high GDP. Mauahahahaha!

The real question is: What's your GDP per Capita?

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Postby Parhe » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:30 pm

Reserving Brazil as it seems dangerous not to yet...Beatus has expressed interest depending on how severe his headache gets since it didn't work out when he tried being Brazil in the last RP. Though he is never really that passionate about a nation in an AWRP so he might be willing to switch over to another South American nation or perhaps one in Africa. Not much else is open besides those, India, and Chinal
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Postby Chemaki » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:32 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Garwall wrote:
I agree. Points for military tech and such should also increase over time.

By the way; after calculating my GDP (finally), Russia now has a nominal GDP of 6.3 trillion: approximately 1 trillion higher than the previous most high GDP. Mauahahahaha!

The real question is: What's your GDP per Capita?


No, the real question is: Do you even have the military power to cope with everyone wanting to conquer the shit out of you?

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Postby Katyuscha » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:36 pm

Chemaki wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:The real question is: What's your GDP per Capita?


No, the real question is: Do you even have the military power to cope with everyone wanting to conquer the shit out of you?

The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.
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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Katyuscha wrote:
Chemaki wrote:
No, the real question is: Do you even have the military power to cope with everyone wanting to conquer the shit out of you?

The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.



DON'T WORRY. SWITZERLAND IS YOUR FRIEND. COME HIDE IN OUR MOUNTAINS.

You'll be safe from any mean, barbaric Russians there :p
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Katyuscha wrote:
Chemaki wrote:
No, the real question is: Do you even have the military power to cope with everyone wanting to conquer the shit out of you?

The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.

Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.

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Postby Neros » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:40 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.

Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.


Sudden interest in Persia by other powers means Sweden wants a piece of the pie for no reason.

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Postby Katyuscha » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:43 pm

New Babylonia wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.



DON'T WORRY. SWITZERLAND IS YOUR FRIEND. COME HIDE IN OUR MOUNTAINS.

You'll be safe from any mean, barbaric Russians there :p

:p
Ceannairceach wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.

Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.

Even if this alliance wasn't formed, I feel that Persia would offer a formidable resistance against the Levant's military.
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Ceannairceach wrote:Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.


Sudden interest in Persia by other powers means Sweden wants a piece of the pie for no reason.

Oh, you.
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Postby Mishmahig » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:43 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:The only country that currently wants to conquer the shit out of Persia is Russia.

Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.


This alliance thing confuses me, mainly because I'm getting conflicting messages.

Some people in the alliance are saying that it's an alliance, while others, also in the alliance, are saying it's not an alliance. I suggest you work it out when the IC goes up...

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Postby Garwall » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:46 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.


This alliance thing confuses me, mainly because I'm getting conflicting messages.

Some people in the alliance are saying that it's an alliance, while others, also in the alliance, are saying it's not an alliance. I suggest you work it out when the IC goes up...


Speaking of which, when are we ready for an IC? I can make one whenever people agree that we're ready. Details for weapons and shit can be worked out later.
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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:48 pm

Garwall wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
This alliance thing confuses me, mainly because I'm getting conflicting messages.

Some people in the alliance are saying that it's an alliance, while others, also in the alliance, are saying it's not an alliance. I suggest you work it out when the IC goes up...


Speaking of which, when are we ready for an IC? I can make one whenever people agree that we're ready. Details for weapons and shit can be worked out later.



I'm ready. Its simply a question of whether or not NK will kill you for proceeding against his godly will.
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You will always have your friends, with your friends, you will never be alone. There will always be a light. Friendship is Magic, its the magic that brings the most glimmering lights of hope to the darkest of worlds. And as long as you have it, you will never have to be afraid of the dark. - Me, New Babylonia ^^

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Postby Katyuscha » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:48 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Admittedly, I also kinda want to conquer the shit out of parts of Persia. Namely, the oil fields in northern and western Iraq. But that's neither here nor there, what with the alliance thing that's being formed.


This alliance thing confuses me, mainly because I'm getting conflicting messages.

Some people in the alliance are saying that it's an alliance, while others, also in the alliance, are saying it's not an alliance. I suggest you work it out when the IC goes up...

It's a trade alliance.

Members are not allowed to invade each other, but are not obligated to defend one another, either.
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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:49 pm

Katyuscha wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
This alliance thing confuses me, mainly because I'm getting conflicting messages.

Some people in the alliance are saying that it's an alliance, while others, also in the alliance, are saying it's not an alliance. I suggest you work it out when the IC goes up...

It's a trade alliance.

Members are not allowed to invade each other, but are not obligated to defend one another, either.


For now. It'll surely be changed into a global alliance.
The power of self is unlimited and ultimate, an unending wave of pure energy and being that could never be stopped, apart from time and forever ingrained into the fabrics of all being, this is the truth of Korrelian Existentialism.

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You will always have your friends, with your friends, you will never be alone. There will always be a light. Friendship is Magic, its the magic that brings the most glimmering lights of hope to the darkest of worlds. And as long as you have it, you will never have to be afraid of the dark. - Me, New Babylonia ^^

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:53 pm

New Babylonia wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:It's a trade alliance.

Members are not allowed to invade each other, but are not obligated to defend one another, either.


For now. It'll surely be changed into a global alliance.

Not until we get a catchy name.

Trans-Arabian Sphere is still my preferred name.

Oh! Or the Silkosphere. Because of the Silk Road.

Eh? Eh?

Or when we discover the importance of oil, the Petrolsphere.
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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:59 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
New Babylonia wrote:
For now. It'll surely be changed into a global alliance.

Not until we get a catchy name.

Trans-Arabian Sphere is still my preferred name.

Oh! Or the Silkosphere. Because of the Silk Road.

Eh? Eh?

Or when we discover the importance of oil, the Petrolsphere.



No. Just, no. No on some many levels. This is madness. What your'e suggesting. You should be imprisoned. And bludgeoned with a giant metal spoon. Better yet, Release the GINOSAJI.
The power of self is unlimited and ultimate, an unending wave of pure energy and being that could never be stopped, apart from time and forever ingrained into the fabrics of all being, this is the truth of Korrelian Existentialism.

⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing ⚧
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You will always have your friends, with your friends, you will never be alone. There will always be a light. Friendship is Magic, its the magic that brings the most glimmering lights of hope to the darkest of worlds. And as long as you have it, you will never have to be afraid of the dark. - Me, New Babylonia ^^

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Postby Katyuscha » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:02 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
New Babylonia wrote:
For now. It'll surely be changed into a global alliance.

Not until we get a catchy name.

Trans-Arabian Sphere is still my preferred name.

Oh! Or the Silkosphere. Because of the Silk Road.

Eh? Eh?

Or when we discover the importance of oil, the Petrolsphere.

I'm all for t Trans-Arabian Sphere, though I feel the main Euro nations involved (France and Italy) would want Euro in there somewhere.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:02 pm

Katyuscha wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Not until we get a catchy name.

Trans-Arabian Sphere is still my preferred name.

Oh! Or the Silkosphere. Because of the Silk Road.

Eh? Eh?

Or when we discover the importance of oil, the Petrolsphere.

I'm all for t Trans-Arabian Sphere, though I feel the main Euro nations involved (France and Italy) would want Euro in there somewhere.

Eurasian Sphere, then.

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Postby Parhe » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:05 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:I'm all for t Trans-Arabian Sphere, though I feel the main Euro nations involved (France and Italy) would want Euro in there somewhere.

Eurasian Sphere, then.

I support of this name


Leaves open the possibility of the entrance of the Jin :3
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