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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:54 pm

Hey, my account was hijacked, So I'm taking the place of The Sea Territory as the RNU.
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:57 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
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True the US is equipped with the Aegis System, which includes a BMD capacity.

I was under the impression it wouldn't do too well against smaller missiles, as it was meant for to take out the bigger SSM's.


Thats what the Phalanx is for. I was referring to large ballistic missiles (which doesn't include Exocets, to my knowledge)
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Postby Minnysota » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:58 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
The CIWS is good, but can be beaten. I'd wage good money that a swarm of Exocet's would have a fairly good hit ratio, at least above %40, seeing as the missile is desigend to be small, blend with the wavetops to get under radar and fairly fast.


Sea-skimmers can easily be countered by AWACs, which US battle groups definitely have. CIWS can be defeated by saturation strikes, but the US AEGIS system can be quite effective in open areas. In confined areas, such as the Persian Gulf, it can lose some of its effectiveness.
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Delanshar
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:59 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:
The CIWS is good, but can be beaten. I'd wage good money that a swarm of Exocet's would have a fairly good hit ratio, at least above %40, seeing as the missile is desigend to be small, blend with the wavetops to get under radar and fairly fast.


Sea-skimmers can easily be countered by AWACs, which US battle groups definitely have. CIWS can be defeated by saturation strikes, but the US AEGIS system can be quite effective in open areas. In confined areas, such as the Persian Gulf, it can lose some of its effectiveness.


In any case it's alot of levels of missile defense that Brazil would need to overcome to damage our fleet.
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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:00 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:I was under the impression it wouldn't do too well against smaller missiles, as it was meant for to take out the bigger SSM's.


Thats what the Phalanx is for. I was referring to ballistic missiles (which doesn't include Exocets, to my knowledge)


I'm doubtfull over how much use Phalanx would be against something like the Exocet, seeing as the radar signature would be so slight and the sea (esp the South Atlantic) so choppy. Minny, care to comment?

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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:01 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
Thats what the Phalanx is for. I was referring to ballistic missiles (which doesn't include Exocets, to my knowledge)


I'm doubtfull over how much use Phalanx would be against something like the Exocet, seeing as the radar signature would be so slight and the sea (esp the South Atlantic) so choppy. Minny, care to comment?


He just did
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Postby Kryskov » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:03 pm

"Due to the effect of the radar horizon, this means that the target may not detect an incoming attack until the missile is only 6000 m from impact." This is an optimal condition. At the max speed (315 m/s), there would be a bit less than 20 seconds to prepare and launch a counter-attack. Again, this is the most optimal condition.

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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:04 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:
The CIWS is good, but can be beaten. I'd wage good money that a swarm of Exocet's would have a fairly good hit ratio, at least above %40, seeing as the missile is desigend to be small, blend with the wavetops to get under radar and fairly fast.


Sea-skimmers can easily be countered by AWACs, which US battle groups definitely have. CIWS can be defeated by saturation strikes, but the US AEGIS system can be quite effective in open areas. In confined areas, such as the Persian Gulf, it can lose some of its effectiveness.


I was always under the assumption that the CIWS was fairly screwed when it came down to choppy seas, where a open sea would decrease it's effectiveness rather than reduce it.

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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:07 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Minnysota wrote:
Sea-skimmers can easily be countered by AWACs, which US battle groups definitely have. CIWS can be defeated by saturation strikes, but the US AEGIS system can be quite effective in open areas. In confined areas, such as the Persian Gulf, it can lose some of its effectiveness.


I was always under the assumption that the CIWS was fairly screwed when it came down to choppy seas, where a open sea would decrease it's effectiveness rather than reduce it.


Care to back up that assumption?
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Postby Kryskov » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:09 pm

Man I just wanna time-skip to some action

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:10 pm

Kryskov wrote:Man I just wanna time-skip to some action

yeah, this RP is moving very slow
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Machtergreifung
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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:11 pm

Kryskov wrote:"Due to the effect of the radar horizon, this means that the target may not detect an incoming attack until the missile is only 6000 m from impact." This is an optimal condition. At the max speed (315 m/s), there would be a bit less than 20 seconds to prepare and launch a counter-attack. Again, this is the most optimal condition.


From what I've read into the matter, the Block 3 Exocet's are lighter, so therefore faster, and being able to have evasive manuvers programed in to them. That, I would think, plus saturation, would mean a reasonable hit ratio as far as I can see.

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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:12 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Kryskov wrote:Man I just wanna time-skip to some action

yeah, this RP is moving very slow


If you guys want we can do a one week time skip to wen our fleets are approaching Ascension. Is everyone ok with that.

It would be January 22.

Also I'll roll to see what developments, if any, have occurred during the Argentine-Falklands fight (like was their attack successful or repelled, etc)
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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:14 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:yeah, this RP is moving very slow


If you guys want we can do a one week time skip to wen our fleets are approaching Ascension. Is everyone ok with that.

It would be January 22.

That leaves my fleet back just off the Brazilian coast and Ascesion defenses completed. I'm fine with that.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:15 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:yeah, this RP is moving very slow


If you guys want we can do a one week time skip to wen our fleets are approaching Ascension. Is everyone ok with that.

It would be January 22.

That would place my fleet in the Falklands, I'm good with that.
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Postby Kryskov » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:15 pm

Macht, how many troops do you have stationed there?

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:16 pm

Kryskov wrote:Macht, how many troops do you have stationed there?

Check his ORBAT
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Postby Minnysota » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:20 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
I was always under the assumption that the CIWS was fairly screwed when it came down to choppy seas, where a open sea would decrease it's effectiveness rather than reduce it.


I'm not talking about CIWS. I'm talking about long-range and medium-range defenses provided by AEGIS. AEGIS =/= CIWS.
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Delanshar
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:21 pm

Ok then
so official one week time skip

US/UK Fleet headed towards Ascension
Canada in the Falklands
Brazil fleet back at coast

As for the Falkland war I will conduct a roll
0-10: Argentine force totally repelled, coalition casualties light
10-35: The Argentine force was totally repelled, but coalition forces took heavy casualties
35-50: Argentine force was partially repelled, coalition forces took moderate casualties. both sides are still fighting around the island. (leaning towards coalition victory)
50-70: Argentine force and Coalition force are locked in stalemate
70-90: Argentine naval forces are gaining upper hand but fighting is ongoing
90-100: Argentine naval forces have routed naval coalition forces. Amphibious invasion likely.


Thoughts?
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:25 pm

Delanshar wrote:Ok then
so official one week time skip

US/UK Fleet headed towards Ascension
Canada in the Falklands
Brazil fleet back at coast

As for the Falkland war I will conduct a roll
0-10: Argentine force totally repelled, coalition casualties light
10-35: The Argentine force was totally repelled, but coalition forces took heavy casualties
35-50: Argentine force was partially repelled, coalition forces took moderate casualties. both sides are still fighting around the island. (leaning towards coalition victory)
50-70: Argentine force and Coalition force are locked in stalemate
70-90: Argentine naval forces are gaining upper hand but fighting is ongoing
90-100: Argentine naval forces have routed naval coalition forces. Amphibious invasion likely.


Thoughts?

Might be a bit early to decide the war's outcome
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Delanshar
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:26 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Delanshar wrote:Ok then
so official one week time skip

US/UK Fleet headed towards Ascension
Canada in the Falklands
Brazil fleet back at coast

As for the Falkland war I will conduct a roll
0-10: Argentine force totally repelled, coalition casualties light
10-35: The Argentine force was totally repelled, but coalition forces took heavy casualties
35-50: Argentine force was partially repelled, coalition forces took moderate casualties. both sides are still fighting around the island. (leaning towards coalition victory)
50-70: Argentine force and Coalition force are locked in stalemate
70-90: Argentine naval forces are gaining upper hand but fighting is ongoing
90-100: Argentine naval forces have routed naval coalition forces. Amphibious invasion likely.


Thoughts?

Might be a bit early to decide the war's outcome


Thats why the more likely options are varying degrees of stalemate.
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Postby Kryskov » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:29 pm

I am cool with the numbers.

I will just let everyone know that half of my Harpoon missile spots are getting taken up by SLAMs, if that's ok. I meant to arm them earlier, and I swear I did, but I just looked over it again and saw I didn't.

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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:33 pm

I'm fine w the numbers too
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:35 pm

Alright then, will post results momentarily
Also this time I'm just gonna roll it once because I'm beginning to think that 3 rolls automatically averages to close to 50.
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:39 pm

Delanshar wrote:Alright then, will post results momentarily
Also this time I'm just gonna roll it once because I'm beginning to think that 3 rolls automatically averages to close to 50.

Ok
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