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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:29 pm

Patricant wrote:
Vehemia wrote:It's an RAF/USAF airbase. You've occupied a British and American military installation without an mandate and without provocation.

I followed ally Brazil.


So you just blindly followed them into a war with NATO?

Delanshar wrote:
Vehemia wrote:Meanwhile the full force of the US and British navy is brought against them

Exactly. It's a strategic blunder for China that borders on unrealistic.

I could see them flexing their muscles in the South China Sea or Senkakus, but the middle of the Atlantic offers incredible risk for China with no real gain.

I think it would provoke action from previously neutral countries as well
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:37 pm

Patricant wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
Who occupied it without any justification.

Then address Brazil with your "wrath", not the peacekeeping force.


Brazil may have started it, but Nigeria decided to join in. That makes them a guilty party too.

Also labeling something a 'peacekeeping force' doesn't make it one. Russia used 'peacekeeping forces' to invade Georgia in 2008.
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:45 pm

In relation to the Falkland war, I still need to do two rolls

One for the Canadian strikes on Argentina's fleet
0-10: Multiple Strikes made, Fleet Crippled, few planes shot down
10-20: Multiple Strikes made, Fleet Crippled, many planes shot down
20-40: Some strikes, certain ships moderately damaged, few planes shot down
40-60: Some strikes, certain ships moderately damaged, many planes shot down
60-80: Few strikes, Fleet largely intact, few planes shot down
80-90: Few Strikes, Fleet largely intact, many planes shot down
90-100: Fleet delayed due to bad weather, airstrikes also delayed


One for the Argentine submarine attacks on coalition vessels.
stats will be up soon

The outcome of the Argentine airstrikes on the falklands were decided yesterday.
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:09 pm

Libya, just...no
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:14 pm

Libya,
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Postby Ardboe Eire » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:15 pm

Vehemia wrote:Libya, just...no

Oh yes :rofl:
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:20 pm

Ardboe Eire wrote:
Vehemia wrote:Libya, just...no

Oh yes :rofl:

I mean that would never ever happen.
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Postby Ardboe Eire » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:23 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Ardboe Eire wrote:Oh yes :rofl:

I mean that would never ever happen.

Anything can happen!?!?
Five years ago we wouldn't of thought Libya would be a democracy.
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:23 pm

Yep. The RAF is now in this.
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:24 pm

Ardboe Eire wrote:
Vehemia wrote:I mean that would never ever happen.

Anything can happen!?!?
Five years ago we wouldn't of thought Libya would be a democracy.

At least have it happen over time not "they magically made it through the militias and army and the entire country surrender after five minutes."
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Postby Ardboe Eire » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:27 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Ardboe Eire wrote:Anything can happen!?!?
Five years ago we wouldn't of thought Libya would be a democracy.

At least have it happen over time not "they magically made it through the militias and army and the entire country surrender after five minutes."

No it's over the course of a few days....
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Postby New Nassrau » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:28 pm

Well, that was a fast revolution... besides, Pro-Gadaffi's are practically gone right? Aren't we going for realism in this RP?
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:29 pm

New Nassrau wrote:Well, that was a fast revolution... besides, Pro-Gadaffi's are practically gone right? Aren't we going for realism in this RP?

Yeah they're practically non-existent now, meanwhile thousands of people are part of revolutionary militias.
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Postby Ardboe Eire » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:30 pm

Vehemia wrote:
New Nassrau wrote:Well, that was a fast revolution... besides, Pro-Gadaffi's are practically gone right? Aren't we going for realism in this RP?

Yeah they're practically non-existent now, meanwhile thousands of people are part of revolutionary militias.

It's only Tripoli.
It's not like I have to attack Benghazi and Sitre or nothing :blink:
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:32 pm

Ardboe Eire wrote:
Vehemia wrote:Yeah they're practically non-existent now, meanwhile thousands of people are part of revolutionary militias.

It's only Tripoli.
It's not like I have to attack Benghazi and Sitre or nothing :blink:

You couldn't exactly breeze through thousands of militiamen and security forces in Tripoli
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Postby Ardboe Eire » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:33 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Ardboe Eire wrote:It's only Tripoli.
It's not like I have to attack Benghazi and Sitre or nothing :blink:

You couldn't exactly breeze through thousands of militiamen and security forces in Tripoli

Well I did edit it to 5 days of fighting.
But Benghazi will be the toughest of all.
That's where Gaddafi lost all.
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:34 pm

Ardboe Eire wrote:
Vehemia wrote:You couldn't exactly breeze through thousands of militiamen and security forces in Tripoli

Well I did edit it to 5 days of fighting.
But Benghazi will be the toughest of all.
That's where Gaddafi lost all.

You couldn't take Tripoli in five days with less than a thousand people
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Postby Bojikami » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:35 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Ardboe Eire wrote:Well I did edit it to 5 days of fighting.
But Benghazi will be the toughest of all.
That's where Gaddafi lost all.

You couldn't take Tripoli in five days with less than a thousand people

Fidel took Cuba with only like, 85.
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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:36 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Vehemia wrote:Meanwhile the full force of the US and British navy is brought against them

Exactly. It's a strategic blunder for China that borders on unrealistic.

I could see them flexing their muscles in the South China Sea or Senkakus, but the middle of the Atlantic offers incredible risk for China with no real gain.


Well, it's the only way that you're going to get a peacefull return of the islands - agree to turn them over to a neutal third party that keeps the island a DMZ and not be bullied into handing them back.

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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:38 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Vehemia wrote:You couldn't take Tripoli in five days with less than a thousand people

Fidel took Cuba with only like, 85.

To begin with yeah, but he sure as hell wasn't marching into Havana with that many people.
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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Delanshar wrote:Exactly. It's a strategic blunder for China that borders on unrealistic.

I could see them flexing their muscles in the South China Sea or Senkakus, but the middle of the Atlantic offers incredible risk for China with no real gain.


Well, it's the only way that you're going to get a peacefull return of the islands - agree to turn them over to a neutal third party that keeps the island a DMZ and not be bullied into handing them back.

That sets a precedent that the West doesn't want happening
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Postby Delanshar » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Libya, your post has absolutely no realism. Like, at all.
Change it.

It's fine to RP a comeback of pro-Gaddafi forces but it has to be gradual, realistic and include a little thing called background.
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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:43 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:
Well, it's the only way that you're going to get a peacefull return of the islands - agree to turn them over to a neutal third party that keeps the island a DMZ and not be bullied into handing them back.

That sets a precedent that the West doesn't want happening

Just as NATO ships violating the Charter is a precedant that the rest of the world doesn't want happening?

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Postby Vehemia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:44 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Vehemia wrote:That sets a precedent that the West doesn't want happening

Just as NATO ships violating the Charter is a precedant that the rest of the world doesn't want happening?

Which charter? NATO or UN?
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Postby Machtergreifung » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:45 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:Just as NATO ships violating the Charter is a precedant that the rest of the world doesn't want happening?

Which charter? NATO or UN?


NATO.

Germany sending ships to help Britain (even outwith the NATO framework) would be enough to trample on plenty of toes around the world.

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