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Postby Patricant » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:39 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:France is in a prime position to invade Brazil with French Guyana.
Just putting it out there, you know.

That is if you can get military equipment into French Guiana without Brazil or its allies knowing of the maneuver.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:39 pm

Patricant wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:France is in a prime position to invade Brazil with French Guyana.
Just putting it out there, you know.

That is if you can get military equipment into French Guiana without Brazil or its allies knowing of the maneuver.

I think France already maintains bases and equipment there, on account of it being ESA's principal launch site.

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Postby Minnysota » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:40 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:So a six month period isn't realisitc. What is? As I've said, I'm not reinventing the wheel, just reproducing an existing design, and you can hardly draw a comparison between reproducing an existing design and developing something utterly new, can you?


You've admitted that you will have to develop your own engines and avionics. These are two things that Brazil has almost no experience in.
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Postby Minnysota » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:40 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:I think France already maintains bases and equipment there, on account of it being ESA's principal launch site.


France is pretty much continuing the policies I had until someone else takes over. That being said, I was entirely neutral in this conflict.
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:41 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
If you want to build a new fighter it's your responsibility to do the research to see how long it would take.
And clearly based on you "6 months to production model" you didn't do that research but just made up a number that would get you the plane soon.

Look at the timeframes used for this article

Given, it's not a perfect analogy since in your case your trying to develop a Gripen. But still it gives a good sense of scale for the development time it takes to develop a new fighter. Years.

So a six month period isn't realisitc. What is? As I've said, I'm not reinventing the wheel, just reproducing an existing design, and you can hardly draw a comparison between reproducing an existing design and developing something utterly new, can you?


It's not a perfect analogy I know, but it's better then pulling numbers out of a hat.

If you start now, I'd say an acceptable time to have a working prototype would be mid-2015. From there production may begin at the end of 2016 or early 2017.

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Postby Machtergreifung » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:44 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:So a six month period isn't realisitc. What is? As I've said, I'm not reinventing the wheel, just reproducing an existing design, and you can hardly draw a comparison between reproducing an existing design and developing something utterly new, can you?


You've admitted that you will have to develop your own engines and avionics. These are two things that Brazil has almost no experience in.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer#History

Dunno, airliners and AWACS aircraft require a bit of avionics, and the airframes are Brazilian designed.

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Postby Machtergreifung » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:45 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:So a six month period isn't realisitc. What is? As I've said, I'm not reinventing the wheel, just reproducing an existing design, and you can hardly draw a comparison between reproducing an existing design and developing something utterly new, can you?


It's not a perfect analogy I know, but it's better then pulling numbers out of a hat.

If you start now, I'd say an acceptable time to have a working prototype would be mid-2015. From there production may begin at the end of 2016 or early 2017.

Thoughts?

If you're happy with that, then I'm happy with that.

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Postby Parhe » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:45 pm

How would the world take a withdraw from the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty? Also with my technology how many years would it take to develop them?
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:46 pm

Parhe wrote:How would the world take a withdraw from the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty? Also with my technology how many years would it take to develop them?


The World would be pissed.
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:47 pm

Parhe wrote:How would the world take a withdraw from the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty? Also with my technology how many years would it take to develop them?

What nation are you?

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Postby Parhe » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Kryskov wrote:
Parhe wrote:How would the world take a withdraw from the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty? Also with my technology how many years would it take to develop them?

What nation are you?

I am the RoK :p
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Postby Patricant » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:48 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Patricant wrote:That is if you can get military equipment into French Guiana without Brazil or its allies knowing of the maneuver.

I think France already maintains bases and equipment there, on account of it being ESA's principal launch site.

Launch site yes, but that doesn't do much. I believe it does maintain a base but it is a smaller one.
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Postby Soviet Ruk-Tsan » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:49 pm

After reading the last few pages, I'd like to say, everyone calm their shit.
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:49 pm

Parhe wrote:
Kryskov wrote:What nation are you?

I am the RoK :p


Oh. I would refrain from that...

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Postby Minnysota » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:50 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer#History

Dunno, airliners and AWACS aircraft require a bit of avionics, and the airframes are Brazilian designed.



They build the air frames, but the avionics are handled by other nations.
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Postby Machtergreifung » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer#History

Dunno, airliners and AWACS aircraft require a bit of avionics, and the airframes are Brazilian designed.



They build the air frames, but the avionics are handled by other nations.

How can you tell? I cannot find any evidence on as to the source of the avionics of any particular aircraft, I'm geninuely curious where you get that sort of info from.

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Postby The New Lowlands » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:59 pm

Patricant wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:I think France already maintains bases and equipment there, on account of it being ESA's principal launch site.

Launch site yes, but that doesn't do much. I believe it does maintain a base but it is a smaller one.

It maintains bases, plural, to protect the launch sites from terrorists, thieves, spies, and the occasional rogue seagull.
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Postby Great World » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:11 pm

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Postby Patricant » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:12 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Patricant wrote:Launch site yes, but that doesn't do much. I believe it does maintain a base but it is a smaller one.

It maintains bases, plural, to protect the launch sites from terrorists, thieves, spies, and the occasional rogue seagull.

Ah, but they don't have the capabilities to facilitate the invasion of a nation, do they?
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:13 pm

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Postby The New Lowlands » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:18 pm

Patricant wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:It maintains bases, plural, to protect the launch sites from terrorists, thieves, spies, and the occasional rogue seagull.

Ah, but they don't have the capabilities to facilitate the invasion of a nation, do they?

Bombing the shit out of it works just as well, generally.

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Postby Patricant » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:32 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Patricant wrote:Ah, but they don't have the capabilities to facilitate the invasion of a nation, do they?

Bombing the shit out of it works just as well, generally.

And how many bombers are based out of French Guiana? Not many? This means they will have to come from a base farther from Brazil than Cayenne, so that means more time for radar to identify and destroy the bombers. Also, watch your French mate. Foul language, that is.
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:37 pm

Great World wrote:NS Name:Great World
Faction Name: Kingdom of Spain
Faction Leader: Mariano Rajoy
Faction Capital (or base of power, if not nation): Madrid
Military Strength: 111,000
Economic Strength* (Bankrupt/Developing/Semi-Developed/Developed): Developed
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:03 pm

I'm a bit iffy about the latest post.

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Postby Patricant » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:05 pm

Kryskov wrote:I'm a bit iffy about the latest post.

How so?
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