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Postby New Nassrau » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:40 pm

Well, I just slammed Somalia... when RP-ing as Somalia, one must remember how troubled the country is. One simply cannot fix all of its unrest in a few posts, it should take a long time.
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Postby Vehemia » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:45 pm

New Nassrau wrote:Well, I just slammed Somalia... when RP-ing as Somalia, one must remember how troubled the country is. One simply cannot fix all of its unrest in a few posts, it should take a long time.

No no no. Rebels who have been independent for 20 years will instantly submit for no apparent reason, corruption will evaporate instantly, and capital will appear out of nowhere. Don't you know anything?
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Postby Aeken » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:49 pm

May I get a recap about the situation in Russia?

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Postby Somali Caliphate » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:51 pm

I apologize if I seem to be godmodding. I never claimed all the problems were gone. All I stated was that there was a dramatic improvement in stability, the Turkish-Egyptian force that replaced Amisom has really helped to bring stability and the Al Shabaab have reconcilled with the government, after the government fulfilled its preconditions, which were the removal of the 'crusading' AMISOM forces and the implementation of Shariah Law. However, there are still many problems and rebel groups still operate in certain areas. However, China recently made a landmark deal where Somalia would give a sizeable amount of oil to China yearly in exchange for substantial Chinese assistance in rebuilding the government, military and infrastructure. And New Nassrau, you are right in saying that I need to do this gradually and so consider the posts about the readdition of Ogaden and NFD postponed until a later date.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:52 pm

Aeken wrote:May I get a recap about the situation in Russia?



The RNU-coalition, which is a far-right nationalist movement, and it's militia, the Vityazi, are declaring war on Vladimir Putin as he rigged the elections. We have given him three days to step down or host REAL elections.
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Postby Delanshar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:52 pm

Aeken wrote:May I get a recap about the situation in Russia?


Basically, theres a far right political party that wants to usurp power from putin. They're called the RNU

Russia recently had an election, which Putin rigged to win. In response, the RNU escalated their violent resistance to Putin.
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Postby Somali Caliphate » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:53 pm

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Somali Caliphate wrote:Can we have a list of what players are RPing what countries? And what countries are actually active on the first page? It would be helpful to see what countries are in the RP for foreign relations purposes.

Germany is interested in developing Somali infrastructure. Is China already doing that?


China is helping substantially, but there is a lot of space for other friendly nations to help with the rebuilding of Somalia, especially a nation such as Germany, who was allied with the Dervish State against the British during WWI.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:55 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Aeken wrote:May I get a recap about the situation in Russia?



The RNU-coalition, which is a far-right nationalist movement, and it's militia, the Vityazi, are declaring war on Vladimir Putin as he rigged the elections. We have given him three days to step down or host REAL elections.



If you want to form a coalition unity government in Russia, the Vityazi will stand down. However, w will fight until our voice is heard.

I would think if you and I formed a Coalition government (RNU-United Russia), we could be more effective. But Vladimir Putin stepping down will most likely be necessary.

Please understand I will not use violence unless necesary.
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Postby New Nassrau » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:56 pm

(Crosses fingers that there will be a Russian civil war then russia is divided)
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Postby Aeken » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:15 pm

New Nassrau wrote:(Crosses fingers that there will be a Russian civil war then russia is divided)

Granted. Ha, ha.

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Postby Machtergreifung » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:29 pm

@New Sea, I've been let back in.

How stable is this Somali government? Might be prudent for Brazil to offer some economic agreements.

Also, for the South Atlantic Peace Conference,

Brazil, Britain and Argentina as participants, with America and Germany as observers?

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Postby Minnysota » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:33 pm

I don't think the US is recognizing the ceasefire with Brazil. I don't know why the UK is, either. Both have military forces that are light years better than Brazil's, frankly. Accepting a ceasefire here would be like this:

A robber walks into a bank with two guns. He drops one of the guns and it breaks, but a teller still picks it up and points it at the robber. Even though the gun no longer works and isn't a threat to the robber, he surrenders.

My point? Brazil literally has no military advantage right now. If the West accepted a ceasefire, it'd be really stupid considering Brazil has no leverage over them.

EDIT: Before you bring up logistics, I've already pointed out that logistics is also a big problem for you. You committed 100% of your logistical forces and you still can't have the starting forces you claim. With the USN in the area, they can do whatever they want with your logistical fleet or incoming supply aircraft. Hell, even if you safeguard these ships with your fleet, your screwed.
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Postby New Nassrau » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:34 pm

Yay! I did some nation building!
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:38 pm

What is an "ORBAT" and is it required when attacking?
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Postby Minnysota » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:39 pm

Also, I should point out that the F/A-18s are going to be out of range of the Iglas if they are using JDAMs. The whole point of JDAMs is to fire at targets from standoff range so that they aren't threatened by things like SAMs and MANPADS. I also pointed out on TG last night that unless Brazil sends a whole new logistical fleet, they have no Anti-Ship Missiles on Ascension.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:41 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:What is an "ORBAT" and is it required when attacking?

They're nice to have so a person knows what the enemy has troop wise
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Postby Delanshar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:42 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:What is an "ORBAT" and is it required when attacking?


Order of Battle and yes it is always required.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:44 pm

Delanshar wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:What is an "ORBAT" and is it required when attacking?


Order of Battle and yes it is always required.


Ok. Thanks
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Postby New Nassrau » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:44 pm

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Postby Vehemia » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:47 pm

Minnysota wrote:Also, I should point out that the F/A-18s are going to be out of range of the Iglas if they are using JDAMs. The whole point of JDAMs is to fire at targets from standoff range so that they aren't threatened by things like SAMs and MANPADS. I also pointed out on TG last night that unless Brazil sends a whole new logistical fleet, they have no Anti-Ship Missiles on Ascension.

Yeah, the Brazilians are incapable of touching the Americans in their present position.
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Postby Delanshar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:50 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Minnysota wrote:Also, I should point out that the F/A-18s are going to be out of range of the Iglas if they are using JDAMs. The whole point of JDAMs is to fire at targets from standoff range so that they aren't threatened by things like SAMs and MANPADS. I also pointed out on TG last night that unless Brazil sends a whole new logistical fleet, they have no Anti-Ship Missiles on Ascension.

Yeah, the Brazilians are incapable of touching the Americans in their present position.


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Postby Machtergreifung » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:50 pm

Minnysota wrote:I don't think the US is recognizing the ceasefire with Brazil. I don't know why the UK is, either. Both have military forces that are light years better than Brazil's, frankly. Accepting a ceasefire here would be like this:

A robber walks into a bank with two guns. He drops one of the guns and it breaks, but a teller still picks it up and points it at the robber. Even though the gun no longer works and isn't a threat to the robber, he surrenders.

My point? Brazil literally has no military advantage right now. If the West accepted a ceasefire, it'd be really stupid considering Brazil has no leverage over them.

EDIT: Before you bring up logistics, I've already pointed out that logistics is also a big problem for you. You committed 100% of your logistical forces and you still can't have the starting forces you claim. With the USN in the area, they can do whatever they want with your logistical fleet or incoming supply aircraft. Hell, even if you safeguard these ships with your fleet, your screwed.


Correct about the JDAM's.

Regarding logisitcs, you seem to forget that I've had a week to bring in supplies prior to any coalition forces turning up in the AO. No reason then why the launcher's could not have been on the ships and the missiles arrived by air-cargo craft, at least no concern that I can see.

For the disparity between forces, then yes, it exists, but the money you spend on fancy equipment doesn't direct translate to battlefeild dominance. Ask the Veitnamese that. But I can get that the American's do possess a large advantage in quality, but they're not supermen, just as the Brazilian troop's aren't untrained conscripts.

And out of curiosity, why am I being hammered for logistics when the entire NATO force is operating south of the equator with a whole three logisical ships?

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Postby Minnysota » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:51 pm

I thought we agreed that I would do the roll since I have no stake in this RP? Considering the guided munitions weren't in a position to /be/ guided, I suggest that they favor light damages but hits to morale.
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Postby Machtergreifung » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:51 pm

Minnysota wrote:I thought we agreed that I would do the roll since I have no stake in this RP? Considering the guided munitions weren't in a position to /be/ guided, I suggest that they favor light damages but hits to morale.


I've no problem with that.

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Postby Delanshar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:52 pm

Minnysota wrote:I thought we agreed that I would do the roll since I have no stake in this RP? Considering the guided munitions weren't in a position to /be/ guided, I suggest that they favor light damages but hits to morale.


I'm fine with u doing it. I just asked Vehemia cause he did it last time (during attempted al-Qaeda attack in US)
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