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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:13 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Same here but Argentina should modify ORBAT then.

That ORBAT is his entire military.

Argentina should make it clear then about what assets he's sending over to the Falklands.
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:30 pm

Ok so it seems I should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Also whats the situation with Canada and Brazil
For Argentina, please update your orbat to NOT include your whole army but just the troops your using.
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Postby Vehemia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:39 pm

Delanshar wrote:Ok so it seems a should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Well Germany, Canada, and Britain are all flying CAP so it would be hard for them to break through. The Canadians probably wouldn't do too much damage because as far as I know Canadian fighters fill more of an air-to-air role. Three out of four of my frigates are designed for ASW and have multiple helicopters flying an ASW picket.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:42 pm

Canada has it's troops deployed in the Falklands, and I'll do a revised ORBAT soon with more ground troops as the timeline in the RP seems to have advanced 3 months. Vehemia, my fighters are carrying AGMs so they should be able to damage the ships and my helicopters fly CAP too and I also have those CP-140s around on patrol near my fleet.
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:43 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Canada has it's troops deployed in the Falklands, and I'll do a revised ORBAT soon with more ground troops as the timeline in the RP seems to have advanced 3 months. Vehemia, my fighters are carrying AGMs so they should be able to damage the ships and my helicopters fly CAP too and I also have those CP-140s around on patrol near my fleet.


The timeline hasn't advanced. I think Argentina dated their attack based on European dating: Day/Month/Year.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:47 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Canada has it's troops deployed in the Falklands, and I'll do a revised ORBAT soon with more ground troops as the timeline in the RP seems to have advanced 3 months. Vehemia, my fighters are carrying AGMs so they should be able to damage the ships and my helicopters fly CAP too and I also have those CP-140s around on patrol near my fleet.


The timeline hasn't advanced. I think Argentina dated their attack based on European dating: Day/Month/Year.

Nevermind, I'm just too used to MM/DD/YY


Current Canadian Situation:

Air Assets:Deployed

Naval Assets: En Route

Ground Assets: 1/2 Regiment Deployed (1200 soldiers)
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Postby Vehemia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:49 pm

So has anyone read Austria's post?
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:52 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Delanshar wrote:Ok so it seems a should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Well Germany, Canada, and Britain are all flying CAP so it would be hard for them to break through. The Canadians probably wouldn't do too much damage because as far as I know Canadian fighters fill more of an air-to-air role. Three out of four of my frigates are designed for ASW and have multiple helicopters flying an ASW picket.


Ok so how does this sound for the first roll:

First role: Argentine strike on Falklands
0-10: Strikes do major damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted
10-20: Strikes do major damage, and few planes intercepted
20-50: Strikes do moderate damage, and significant amount of planes intercepted
50-75: Strikes do moderate, but few planes intercepted
75-85: Strikes do mild damage, and few planes intercepted
85-100: Strikes do mild damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted
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Postby New Ecopia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:53 pm

NS Name: New Ecopia
Faction Name: Japan
Faction Leader: Yoshihiko Noda
Faction Capital (or base of power, if not nation): Tokyo
Military Strength: 53,608,446
Economic Strength* (Bankrupt/Developing/Semi-Developed/Developed): Developed
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Delanshar wrote:Revised for SAMs

First roll: Argentine strike on Falklands
0-10: Strikes do major damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted/shot down
10-15: Strikes do major damage, and few planes intercepted/shot down
15-40: Strikes do moderate damage, and significant amount of planes intercepted/shot down
40-55: Strikes do moderate, but few planes intercepted/shot down
55-70: Strikes do mild damage, and few planes intercepted/shot down
70-100: Strikes do mild damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted/shot down

Better?


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Postby Vehemia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:54 pm

New Ecopia wrote:NS Name: New Ecopia
Faction Name: Japan
Faction Leader: Yoshihiko Noda
Faction Capital (or base of power, if not nation): Tokyo
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Economic Strength* (Bankrupt/Developing/Semi-Developed/Developed): Developed
Total Population*: 126,475,664
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:54 pm

Delanshar wrote:Ok so it seems I should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Also whats the situation with Canada and Brazil
For Argentina, please update your orbat to NOT include your whole army but just the troops your using.


Regarding 1: keep in mind that there are Rapier Missile stations around the islands. I believe they are Rapier 2000's.

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Postby Machtergreifung » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:54 pm

Delanshar wrote:Ok so it seems I should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Also whats the situation with Canada and Brazil
For Argentina, please update your orbat to NOT include your whole army but just the troops your using.


Regarding 2.

Candian Disadvantages

1. EXTREME limit of range. F18's have a combat range of 400 miles, and a total range of 1800 miles. Assuming a single missile and enough droptanks to turn the F18's into flying tankers, then it might just be a one way trip. The Canuks won't have any fuel to dogfight or position either, it will be a find target and fire job.
2. Fatiuge. Fly for three thousand milesand find a target that will have moved during the hours of flight.
3. Armament. Related to 1. Going to be heavily restircted.
4. Brazilian CAP from Sau Paulo.

Canadian Advantages

1. No delcaration of war. That said, a flight of aircraft on a straight heading from the Malvinas won't leave much to the imagination from Brazilian radar trackers on the mainland.
2. Unexpected. Who the hell will fly three thousand miles to the edge of the aircrafts endurance to fire a single missile at a neutral fleet?

Brazilian Advantages

1. Refit of the Sau Paulo. Assuming this is sometime late Q1 or early Q2 2013, the Sau Paulo has just been refitted with all the shiney new toys of war.
2. Radar. Land and Sea based. From what google told me, F18's crusing altitude is 20000-30000 ft. so it should be visible to the Brazilians long before the aircraft get into strike range.

I'd reckon that:

0-10 Canadians score more than a single hit
10-20 Canadians get into fire positions, score single hit.
30-60 Candians fail to hit, escape.
60-75 Canadians take losses and are forced to turn back.
75-100 Canadians are wiped out before reaching the task force.

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Postby Vehemia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:56 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Vehemia wrote:Well Germany, Canada, and Britain are all flying CAP so it would be hard for them to break through. The Canadians probably wouldn't do too much damage because as far as I know Canadian fighters fill more of an air-to-air role. Three out of four of my frigates are designed for ASW and have multiple helicopters flying an ASW picket.


Ok so how does this sound for the first roll:

First role: Argentine strike on Falklands
0-10: Strikes do major damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted
10-20: Strikes do major damage, and few planes intercepted
20-50: Strikes do moderate damage, and significant amount of planes intercepted
50-75: Strikes do moderate, but few planes intercepted
75-85: Strikes do mild damage, and few planes intercepted
85-100: Strikes do mild damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted

Sounds good
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:56 pm

I thought Canada changed to attacking Argentina...

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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Delanshar wrote:Ok so it seems I should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Also whats the situation with Canada and Brazil
For Argentina, please update your orbat to NOT include your whole army but just the troops your using.


Regarding 2.

Candian Disadvantages

1. EXTREME limit of range. F18's have a combat range of 400 miles, and a total range of 1800 miles. Assuming a single missile and enough droptanks to turn the F18's into flying tankers, then it might just be a one way trip. The Canuks won't have any fuel to dogfight or position either, it will be a find target and fire job.
2. Fatiuge. Fly for three thousand milesand find a target that will have moved during the hours of flight.
3. Armament. Related to 1. Going to be heavily restircted.
4. Brazilian CAP from Sau Paulo.

Canadian Advantages

1. No delcaration of war. That said, a flight of aircraft on a straight heading from the Malvinas won't leave much to the imagination from Brazilian radar trackers on the mainland.
2. Unexpected. Who the hell will fly three thousand miles to the edge of the aircrafts endurance to fire a single missile at a neutral fleet?

Brazilian Advantages

1. Refit of the Sau Paulo. Assuming this is sometime late Q1 or early Q2 2013, the Sau Paulo has just been refitted with all the shiney new toys of war.
2. Radar. Land and Sea based. From what google told me, F18's crusing altitude is 20000-30000 ft. so it should be visible to the Brazilians long before the aircraft get into strike range.

I'd reckon that:

0-10 Canadians score more than a single hit
10-20 Canadians get into fire positions, score single hit.
30-60 Candians fail to hit, escape.
60-75 Canadians take losses and are forced to turn back.
75-100 Canadians are wiped out before reaching the task force.


Wait so Canada IS striking Brazil?
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Postby Vehemia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Delanshar wrote:Ok so it seems I should do RNG rolls on the various strikes.

1- The Argentine strike on Falklands
2- The Canadian strike on Argentina's fleet
3- The Argentine submarines firing at coalition vessels.

thoughts on what the odds should be?

Also whats the situation with Canada and Brazil
For Argentina, please update your orbat to NOT include your whole army but just the troops your using.


Regarding 2.

Candian Disadvantages

1. EXTREME limit of range. F18's have a combat range of 400 miles, and a total range of 1800 miles. Assuming a single missile and enough droptanks to turn the F18's into flying tankers, then it might just be a one way trip. The Canuks won't have any fuel to dogfight or position either, it will be a find target and fire job.
2. Fatiuge. Fly for three thousand milesand find a target that will have moved during the hours of flight.
3. Armament. Related to 1. Going to be heavily restircted.
4. Brazilian CAP from Sau Paulo.

Canadian Advantages

1. No delcaration of war. That said, a flight of aircraft on a straight heading from the Malvinas won't leave much to the imagination from Brazilian radar trackers on the mainland.
2. Unexpected. Who the hell will fly three thousand miles to the edge of the aircrafts endurance to fire a single missile at a neutral fleet?

Brazilian Advantages

1. Refit of the Sau Paulo. Assuming this is sometime late Q1 or early Q2 2013, the Sau Paulo has just been refitted with all the shiney new toys of war.
2. Radar. Land and Sea based. From what google told me, F18's crusing altitude is 20000-30000 ft. so it should be visible to the Brazilians long before the aircraft get into strike range.

I'd reckon that:

0-10 Canadians score more than a single hit
10-20 Canadians get into fire positions, score single hit.
30-60 Candians fail to hit, escape.
60-75 Canadians take losses and are forced to turn back.
75-100 Canadians are wiped out before reaching the task force.

They're attacking the Argentines not you
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Postby New Ecopia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Is New Zealand taken
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Delanshar wrote:Revised for SAMs

First roll: Argentine strike on Falklands
0-10: Strikes do major damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted/shot down
10-15: Strikes do major damage, and few planes intercepted/shot down
15-40: Strikes do moderate damage, and significant amount of planes intercepted/shot down
40-55: Strikes do moderate, but few planes intercepted/shot down
55-70: Strikes do mild damage, and few planes intercepted/shot down
70-100: Strikes do mild damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted/shot down

Better?


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Postby Machtergreifung » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:
Regarding 2.

Candian Disadvantages

1. EXTREME limit of range. F18's have a combat range of 400 miles, and a total range of 1800 miles. Assuming a single missile and enough droptanks to turn the F18's into flying tankers, then it might just be a one way trip. The Canuks won't have any fuel to dogfight or position either, it will be a find target and fire job.
2. Fatiuge. Fly for three thousand milesand find a target that will have moved during the hours of flight.
3. Armament. Related to 1. Going to be heavily restircted.
4. Brazilian CAP from Sau Paulo.

Canadian Advantages

1. No delcaration of war. That said, a flight of aircraft on a straight heading from the Malvinas won't leave much to the imagination from Brazilian radar trackers on the mainland.
2. Unexpected. Who the hell will fly three thousand miles to the edge of the aircrafts endurance to fire a single missile at a neutral fleet?

Brazilian Advantages

1. Refit of the Sau Paulo. Assuming this is sometime late Q1 or early Q2 2013, the Sau Paulo has just been refitted with all the shiney new toys of war.
2. Radar. Land and Sea based. From what google told me, F18's crusing altitude is 20000-30000 ft. so it should be visible to the Brazilians long before the aircraft get into strike range.

I'd reckon that:

0-10 Canadians score more than a single hit
10-20 Canadians get into fire positions, score single hit.
30-60 Candians fail to hit, escape.
60-75 Canadians take losses and are forced to turn back.
75-100 Canadians are wiped out before reaching the task force.


Wait so Canada IS striking Brazil?

Yes, AFAIK.

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Postby Vehemia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:58 pm

Machtergreifung wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
Wait so Canada IS striking Brazil?

Yes, AFAIK.

He's not anymore I think
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:59 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I'll modify it to attack the Argentines then, just for you since we need your troops and we need the Argentines gone

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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:00 pm

Vehemia wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:Yes, AFAIK.

He's not anymore I think


Canada who are u attacking?
IC says Argentina (last i checked) but Brazil says ur attacking him?

..I confused
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Postby Machtergreifung » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:01 pm

Kryskov wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I'll modify it to attack the Argentines then, just for you since we need your troops and we need the Argentines gone

Excellent. I'll be making a post shortly, stay tuned.

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Postby Austeres » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:04 pm

Tag
"You keep what you kill."
Region: Necromonger
DEFCON 5: Peace
DEFCON 4: Increased intel & Strengthed Security
DEFCON 3: Increaded readiness above normal readiness
DEFCON 2: Brink of War
DEFCON 1: Total War
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Postby Delanshar » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:05 pm

Results of first roll:

81 35 49

average is 55

moderate damage done, few planes intercepted.
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Postby Kryskov » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:05 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Ok so how does this sound for the first roll:

First role: Argentine strike on Falklands
0-10: Strikes do major damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted
10-20: Strikes do major damage, and few planes intercepted
20-50: Strikes do moderate damage, and significant amount of planes intercepted
50-75: Strikes do moderate, but few planes intercepted
75-85: Strikes do mild damage, and few planes intercepted
85-100: Strikes do mild damage, but significant amount of planes intercepted


I think it should change based on the Rapier missiles I have.

Additionally, a situation where the Argentinians have few casualties does not seem logical. You have island SAM's and a good bit of coalition fighters
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