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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:22 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I was just poking fun at Night because I had already stated in the OOC, much clearer, that he let go of James. I think. Could be wrong.

But, whatever. Does it matter?

Yes, because I'm getting real tired of being ignored unless I'm whining and having James constantly getting downgraded to Worf status because of bullshit. Any time there's a major threat James, who should be able to handle it, is randomly rendered ineffective and useless. Only twice has that been averted: Zacheriah, which was planned, and Damien, which I had to fucking lie to my best friend about in order to do it.

And with this war coming up I am seriously worried that James and the ISSR, the guys who know how to go to war with the supernatural and win, are going to be as effective as a pea is to a colony of ants. I have seen literally nothing to prove otherwise, and unless I do I'm either going to have to leave an RP that I love and want to be a part of, or end up killing it again.

I don't want either of those and you probably don't either, so please stop creating bullshit immunities, stop stripping away every single moment I try to have James actually act like the professional killer he is, and stop treating him (and me) like a kid way in over his head. Please.

...I had a comedic character do a comedic thing to a character who was harassing someone else.

I don't like James, yes, and I've made it clear that he acts like an annoying shit sometimes. But I hardly see how I'm insulting you.

I just don't see the problem, really. James does most everything you want him to. Just because it doesn't necessarily have the intended effect doesn't mean anyone's out to get you.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:28 pm
by Hardened Pyrokinetics
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Yes, because I'm getting real tired of being ignored unless I'm whining and having James constantly getting downgraded to Worf status because of bullshit. Any time there's a major threat James, who should be able to handle it, is randomly rendered ineffective and useless. Only twice has that been averted: Zacheriah, which was planned, and Damien, which I had to fucking lie to my best friend about in order to do it.

And with this war coming up I am seriously worried that James and the ISSR, the guys who know how to go to war with the supernatural and win, are going to be as effective as a pea is to a colony of ants. I have seen literally nothing to prove otherwise, and unless I do I'm either going to have to leave an RP that I love and want to be a part of, or end up killing it again.

I don't want either of those and you probably don't either, so please stop creating bullshit immunities, stop stripping away every single moment I try to have James actually act like the professional killer he is, and stop treating him (and me) like a kid way in over his head. Please.

...I had a comedic character do a comedic thing to a character who was harassing someone else.

I don't like James, yes, and I've made it clear that he acts like an annoying shit sometimes. But I hardly see how I'm insulting you.

I just don't see the problem, really. James does most everything he want him to. Just because it doesn't necessarily have the intended effect doesn't mean anyone's out to get you.

That isn't the part I'm talking about.

It's this:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:"Yeah, he's pretty much immune to bullets,"

Now, that in and of itself doesn't instantly render James' exploding bullets ineffective. The tougher demons are immune to normal bullets too.
It's this that finally broke the camels back:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Eats them.

And shoots them out his eye.

Right there is where you straight-up say he's invincible, and that is where I threw up my hands and gave up. Resistance to certain things: Those are fine, and it's the likelihood that demons (and other supernatural) are going to be resistant to normal bullets that had me give James his explosive bullets in the first place, and why I'm giving the same to most everyone else. But straight-up saying you're immune to everything isn't fun or funny at all and does nothing but make the other guy look weak and retarded.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:30 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:...I had a comedic character do a comedic thing to a character who was harassing someone else.

I don't like James, yes, and I've made it clear that he acts like an annoying shit sometimes. But I hardly see how I'm insulting you.

I just don't see the problem, really. James does most everything he want him to. Just because it doesn't necessarily have the intended effect doesn't mean anyone's out to get you.

That isn't the part I'm talking about.

It's this:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:"Yeah, he's pretty much immune to bullets,"

Now, that in and of itself doesn't instantly render James' exploding bullets ineffective. The tougher demons are immune to normal bullets too.
It's this that finally broke the camels back:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Eats them.

And shoots them out his eye.

Right there is where you straight-up say he's invincible, and that is where I threw up my hands and gave up. Resistance to certain things: Those are fine, and it's the likelihood that demons (and other supernatural) are going to be resistant to normal bullets that had me give James his explosive bullets in the first place, and why I'm giving the same to most everyone else. But straight-up saying you're immune to everything isn't fun or funny at all and does nothing but make the other guy look weak and retarded.

It's satire.

The bears, the whole time, have been a satirical mockery of what constitutes a bad-ass, especially the informed ability. The only bear to ever actually back up his claims is Polarbeard and that's because what he does is intentionally ridiculous.

In case you haven't noticed, the real bears are either pussies, militaristic assholes, or just straight men.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:34 pm
by Hardened Pyrokinetics
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:That isn't the part I'm talking about.

It's this:

Now, that in and of itself doesn't instantly render James' exploding bullets ineffective. The tougher demons are immune to normal bullets too.
It's this that finally broke the camels back:

Right there is where you straight-up say he's invincible, and that is where I threw up my hands and gave up. Resistance to certain things: Those are fine, and it's the likelihood that demons (and other supernatural) are going to be resistant to normal bullets that had me give James his explosive bullets in the first place, and why I'm giving the same to most everyone else. But straight-up saying you're immune to everything isn't fun or funny at all and does nothing but make the other guy look weak and retarded.

It's satire.

The bears, the whole time, have been a satirical mockery of what constitutes a bad-ass, especially the informed ability. The only bear to ever actually back up his claims is Polarbeard and that's because what he does is intentionally ridiculous.

In case you haven't noticed, the real bears are either pussies, militaristic assholes, or just straight men.

And James is meant to be a master assassin.

When was the last time I was allowed to do that without someone or something rendering it completely ineffective and pointless?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:36 pm
by Nude East Ireland
However, the bunnies are actually invincible.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:37 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:It's satire.

The bears, the whole time, have been a satirical mockery of what constitutes a bad-ass, especially the informed ability. The only bear to ever actually back up his claims is Polarbeard and that's because what he does is intentionally ridiculous.

In case you haven't noticed, the real bears are either pussies, militaristic assholes, or just straight men.

And James is meant to be a master assassin.

When was the last time I was allowed to do that without someone or something rendering it completely ineffective and pointless?

You're in a group activity. That requires you bounce off other people's actions. Not everything you do is going to work out. For example, I wanted to do an arc-spanning conspiracy in which the two bears from earlier slowly tear away their society and pick apart the bears, effectively deconstructing their image. Night chose to just kill them off. I didn't complain because it worked - ultimately, this isn't about your plans. This is about everyone coming together to make something.

No one is scared of James, largely because they're all done equally "scary" things and none of them think him competent enough to actually be intimidating. That's who he is, that's how he's been for a very long time.

Nude East Ireland wrote:However, the bunnies are actually invincible.

Well, obviously. I mean, look at the mecha.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:39 pm
by Hardened Pyrokinetics
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:And James is meant to be a master assassin.

When was the last time I was allowed to do that without someone or something rendering it completely ineffective and pointless?

You're in a group activity. That requires you bounce off other people's actions. Not everything you do is going to work out. For example, I wanted to do an arc-spanning conspiracy in which the two bears from earlier slowly tear away their society and pick apart the bears, effectively deconstructing their image. Night chose to just kill them off. I didn't complain because it worked - ultimately, this isn't about your plans. This is about everyone coming together to make something.

No one is scared of James, largely because they're all done equally "scary" things and none of them think him competent enough to actually be intimidating. That's who he is, that's how he's been for a very long time.

Nude East Ireland wrote:However, the bunnies are actually invincible.

Well, obviously. I mean, look at the mecha.

Soul-sucking bullets.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:39 pm
by Constaniana
Nude East Ireland wrote:However, the bunnies are actually invincible.

Bunnies vs. Polarbeard and Crowley.

Best. Fight. Ever.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:40 pm
by Zarkenis Ultima
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:You're in a group activity. That requires you bounce off other people's actions. Not everything you do is going to work out. For example, I wanted to do an arc-spanning conspiracy in which the two bears from earlier slowly tear away their society and pick apart the bears, effectively deconstructing their image. Night chose to just kill them off. I didn't complain because it worked - ultimately, this isn't about your plans. This is about everyone coming together to make something.

No one is scared of James, largely because they're all done equally "scary" things and none of them think him competent enough to actually be intimidating. That's who he is, that's how he's been for a very long time.


Well, obviously. I mean, look at the mecha.

Soul-sucking bullets.


And that's his work? :P.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:40 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:You're in a group activity. That requires you bounce off other people's actions. Not everything you do is going to work out. For example, I wanted to do an arc-spanning conspiracy in which the two bears from earlier slowly tear away their society and pick apart the bears, effectively deconstructing their image. Night chose to just kill them off. I didn't complain because it worked - ultimately, this isn't about your plans. This is about everyone coming together to make something.

No one is scared of James, largely because they're all done equally "scary" things and none of them think him competent enough to actually be intimidating. That's who he is, that's how he's been for a very long time.


Well, obviously. I mean, look at the mecha.

Soul-sucking bullets.

Cool, and?

That didn't change anyone's perception of him. Why would it? He didn't do anything, some bullets did.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:41 pm
by Hardened Pyrokinetics
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Soul-sucking bullets.

Cool, and?

That didn't change anyone's perception of him. Why would it? He didn't do anything, some bullets did.

... Do I actually have to explain this to you?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:42 pm
by Nude East Ireland
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Nude East Ireland wrote:However, the bunnies are actually invincible.

Well, obviously. I mean, look at the mecha.

Clearly, millions of bunnies combining to make a humanoid mecha is the only thing that will win this war.

Also, a flying Richard Nixon head. But that's floating around the Omniverse.

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Soul-sucking bullets.

Damien is dead, Malal is gone, Pierre is who-knows-where, and they haven't been referenced since the beginning of the Arc. Where has James been keeping them? The toilet that no one wants to go near? Because that's where Khana hides his drugs.

Still, that leaves two bullets with any power left.

Constaniana wrote:
Nude East Ireland wrote:However, the bunnies are actually invincible.

Bunnies vs. Polarbeard and Crowley.

Best. Fight. Ever.

Then Sachin shows up to arrest Polarbeard. Then Polarbeard shows up and runs away. Then Sachin wakes up drunk in Australia.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:43 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Cool, and?

That didn't change anyone's perception of him. Why would it? He didn't do anything, some bullets did.

... Do I actually have to explain this to you?

I understand the concept, but a.) why would anyone be scared of them when they're on his side? and b.) does the President of the US suddenly become a bad-ass because he has robot planes?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:44 pm
by Zarkenis Ultima
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:... Do I actually have to explain this to you?

I understand the concept, but a.) why would anyone be scared of them when they're on his side? and b.) does the President of the US suddenly become a bad-ass because he has robot planes?


No.

He's a badass because he's Clint Eastwood.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:45 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I understand the concept, but a.) why would anyone be scared of them when they're on his side? and b.) does the President of the US suddenly become a bad-ass because he has robot planes?


No.

He's a badass because he's Clint Eastwood.

OK, but, for the sake of the metaphor, this is a parallel universe where the president is instead an old guy from Wisconsin or something.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:46 pm
by Zarkenis Ultima
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
No.

He's a badass because he's Clint Eastwood.

OK, but, for the sake of the metaphor, this is a parallel universe where the president is instead an old guy from Wisconsin or something.


He then becomes a badass, just because he has the position that Clint Eastwood has in a parallel universe.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:49 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor
I'm back from my jog.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:49 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm back from my jog.

And then the world ends.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:49 pm
by Hardened Pyrokinetics
Nude East Ireland wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Soul-sucking bullets.

Damien is dead, Malal is gone, Pierre is who-knows-where, and they haven't been referenced since the beginning of the Arc. Where has James been keeping them? The toilet that no one wants to go near? Because that's where Khana hides his drugs.

Still, that leaves two bullets with any power left.

They work on anyone they're shot at. He used one on Zacheriah, remember, and it was meant for Nyarla.

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:... Do I actually have to explain this to you?

I understand the concept, but a.) why would anyone be scared of them when they're on his side? and b.) does the President of the US suddenly become a bad-ass because he has robot planes?

I don't want them scared of him, and fuck I don't even expect him to actually be respected in the IC.

It's the disrespect in the OOC that's pissing me off, and the fact that everything he does is derailed one way or another even if it requires fucking with the suspension of disbelief. There's a post I want to make in the IC, but I'm honestly expecting to be ignored and that James, even when he makes good points, will still be treated like he's an 18-year-old show-off.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:52 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor
So, basically I can include some more chances for James to be a badass, as well as the other characters. Largely because the following battles will give everyone a chance to be badass.

As for the bears satire thing, Nat can make it more clear when he's joking or not.

What else are the problems?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:53 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Nude East Ireland wrote:Damien is dead, Malal is gone, Pierre is who-knows-where, and they haven't been referenced since the beginning of the Arc. Where has James been keeping them? The toilet that no one wants to go near? Because that's where Khana hides his drugs.

Still, that leaves two bullets with any power left.

They work on anyone they're shot at. He used one on Zacheriah, remember, and it was meant for Nyarla.

Nationstatelandsville wrote:I understand the concept, but a.) why would anyone be scared of them when they're on his side? and b.) does the President of the US suddenly become a bad-ass because he has robot planes?

I don't want them scared of him, and fuck I don't even expect him to actually be respected in the IC.

It's the disrespect in the OOC that's pissing me off, and the fact that everything he does is derailed one way or another even if it requires fucking with the suspension of disbelief. There's a post I want to make in the IC, but I'm honestly expecting to be ignored and that James, even when he makes good points, will still be treated like he's an 18-year-old show-off.

Yes, because no one in the IC likes him. So, yeah, they'll probably blow him off because they're all idiots. This is well-kown.

And no one's disrespected you. Honestly, I don't see where you're getting that impression. I don't like James. Neither does Ende. So? I don't like Pierre or Khana, either. That doesn't matter, does it? If we're talking about our distaste, we're either making a joke or offering criticism, criticism you could either ignore or use to change your character.

I honestly don't know what you want. An apology? Because I guess I'm sorry for offending you.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:So, basically I can include some more chances for James to be a badass, as well as the other characters. Largely because the following battles will give everyone a chance to be badass.

As for the bears satire thing, Nat can make it more clear when he's joking or not.

What else are the problems?

I honestly don't see why I need to - when something that ridiculous comes out of someone's mouth, you either laugh or buy them medication.

And everyone knows I killed the last man to suggest medicine.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:55 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor
So, are we all clear then?

Because I'd rather get to the fun shit.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:56 pm
by Nude East Ireland
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm back from my jog.

"Khana, where have you been?"

"I'm back from my rampage. Everyone is dead."

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:56 pm
by Nationstatelandsville
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:So, are we all clear then?

Because I'd rather get to the fun shit.

Fun is for assholes.

(punches Jackie)

YOUR PROSE IS DULL!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:56 pm
by Astrolinium
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:What else are the problems?


I still don't have my complimentary muffin basket.