Quest for the Crown (medieval, OOC, COMPLETED)

[Halleon]

What I'm coming from is that from what I've gathered and have been rping on is that the Clergy within the Church dislikes more like hates Spirit Worshipers so why would any priest bend the knee to a Spirit Worshiper or a descendant of a powerful Spirit Worshiper? It might be breaking the law to speak bad about the Royal Family but realistically a man like Mariak or for the fact the majority of Priest would not care for laws when the sake of their soul is being considered.

They might not be like a hive mind but that doesn't cancel out the loyalty to the Church, you can't force true loyalty on anyone. My actions will depend on your actions on how you pull the Spirit Worshiper card becoming known. I'm not just going to rush in and join the Rebellion if I do its not going to be simple or easy for you to just condemn me as a traitor and have members of the Church flock to your banner, the simple Paragon's laws and Morales override common laws set by a King that doesn't even follow his own laws will be easy to preach about.

The important question thought is how is the Spirit Worshiping going to be discovered? Is the lie going to end or keep going? By this I mean is the Entire Family going to come out and state they are Spirit Worshipers or are they only going to say certain members of the family was or still are Spirit Worshipers?

[Firstaria]

Oh god my head is exploding, so much talking around things that does not make a lot of sense or seems secondary.

Our main interest is to find a way to reverse the tide, and the idea was to point out something done by the Royals so horrible that forces will turn around and give the rebels an edge.

You know, you are all right, the problem is that spirit worshiping degrades the Royals, but NOT lower than Balthazar. We need something that will also make House Thorn or the rebels in general a valid choice, that's what we need.

[Der Kaiser Mikey III]

Oh god my head is exploding, so much talking around things that does not make a lot of sense or seems secondary.

Our main interest is to find a way to reverse the tide, and the idea was to point out something done by the Royals so horrible that forces will turn around and give the rebels an edge.

You know, you are all right, the problem is that spirit worshiping degrades the Royals, but NOT lower than Balthazar. We need something that will also make House Thorn or the rebels in general a valid choice, that's what we need.

well, there is one sound figure in the Rebel forces, Earl Bulgovad (Viscount of Rupoy't)

[Halleon]

The problem with the Rebellion is at the moment it doesn't have a legitimate reason to rebel and the backstabbing of the Prince during a battle makes it kinda hard to paint the rebellion as a good cause or a cause worth taking up. Unless something changes that will let the rebels gain moral or at least legal grounds for rebellion then it might smooth things out for the Rebellion.

[Firstaria]

Yeah, that's why we were planning to make Galvion disappear with less shocking moves and create a simple void of powers to play with.

We now need a really good excuse to legit the rebellion, and the only one I can think off is something that would make people wish to rebel. Religion, in our setting, is not enough.

Frankly, realistically is kinda a miracle Balthazar soldiers too are still loyal, figures another lord joining him. I hate to say this, but his presence is becoming an encumbrance to the RP, i think the best way to avoid the RP to get stuck is to actually kill him and shatter the rebels so they will be able to reform back under a new banner when the time comes.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Possible plot finalization.

Although I will join the rebellion eventually, I was planning to go into Frey-mode for the time being.
Either try to balance between the two sides to keep myself out of the war for as long as possible.
Or turning my cloak on the Thorns and try to extend my domains in the north.
The single biggest bonehead move I could make would be to make enemies of the greatest naval forces in Derria, a full blockade will result in an economy crash in the matter of weeks, not to mention the possible threat of widespread famine in a few months, but there is also a small chance I will join the revolt quite soon.

I hope it´s acceptable.
And note that it´s not written in stone and it might change if i change my mind or if it is unacceptable.

[Der Kaiser Mikey III]

Possible plot finalization.

Although I will join the rebellion eventually, I was planning to go into Frey-mode for the time being.
Either try to balance between the two sides to keep myself out of the war for as long as possible.
Or turning my cloak on the Thorns and try to extend my domains in the north.
The single biggest bonehead move I could make would be to make enemies of the greatest naval forces in Derria, a full blockade will result in an economy crash in the matter of weeks, not to mention the possible threat of widespread famine in a few months, but there is also a small chance I will join the revolt quite soon.

I hope it´s acceptable.
And note that it´s not written in stone and it might change if i change my mind or if it is unacceptable.

Balthazar will fall in the siege of Sturmwall to a betrayal, fitting enough. Earl Bulgovad is to be the legitimate figurehead in the Rebellion-more of a diplomat than anything.

[Shnercropolis]

the Dreys need someone to RP for them! I don't want to do it.

[Damak Var]

I've been a tad busy but damn, lots to address.

What I'm coming from is that from what I've gathered and have been rping on is that the Clergy within the Church dislikes more like hates Spirit Worshipers so why would any priest bend the knee to a Spirit Worshiper or a descendant of a powerful Spirit Worshiper? It might be breaking the law to speak bad about the Royal Family but realistically a man like Mariak or for the fact the majority of Priest would not care for laws when the sake of their soul is being considered.

No they would follow the law when threatened with imprisonment/death. Some may do some civil disobedience but for the most part priests are just as human as the rest of the characters in this RP. They flaws, regrets, fears, vices, and varying degrees of selfishness. Those that are operating in the Crownlands will be subject to the rule of the Wallstryns because the Wallstryns have men with swords to enforce it.

They might not be like a hive mind but that doesn't cancel out the loyalty to the Church, you can't force true loyalty on anyone. My actions will depend on your actions on how you pull the Spirit Worshiper card becoming known. I'm not just going to rush in and join the Rebellion if I do its not going to be simple or easy for you to just condemn me as a traitor and have members of the Church flock to your banner, the simple Paragon's laws and Morales override common laws set by a King that doesn't even follow his own laws will be easy to preach about.

I don't expect the church members to flock to my banner. Like I said, the clergy members in the Crownlands will either preach the loyalist cause or keep their mouths shut through a combination of bribery, intimidation or in some cases willingness. Also Church laws do not override secular law in a legal or practical sense. At least in the Crownlands.

I feel it would be more realistic for both sides to have divided positions. The Wallstryns will lose some support of their bannermen from this. While I'm sure members the Church will want a united Derria.

The important question thought is how is the Spirit Worshiping going to be discovered? Is the lie going to end or keep going? By this I mean is the Entire Family going to come out and state they are Spirit Worshipers or are they only going to say certain members of the family was or still are Spirit Worshipers?

I havent decided yet.

The problem with the Rebellion is at the moment it doesn't have a legitimate reason to rebel and the backstabbing of the Prince during a battle makes it kinda hard to paint the rebellion as a good cause or a cause worth taking up. Unless something changes that will let the rebels gain moral or at least legal grounds for rebellion then it might smooth things out for the Rebellion.

Rebellion is an opportunity to grab power or break away from the Crown. Should be reason enough. As for a moral/legal grounds they can make of the Wallstryn Spirit Worship as they will.

Yeah, that's why we were planning to make Galvion disappear with less shocking moves and create a simple void of powers to play with.

We now need a really good excuse to legit the rebellion, and the only one I can think off is something that would make people wish to rebel. Religion, in our setting, is not enough.

Frankly, realistically is kinda a miracle Balthazar soldiers too are still loyal, figures another lord joining him. I hate to say this, but his presence is becoming an encumbrance to the RP, i think the best way to avoid the RP to get stuck is to actually kill him and shatter the rebels so they will be able to reform back under a new banner when the time comes.

True enough.

Possible plot finalization.

Although I will join the rebellion eventually, I was planning to go into Frey-mode for the time being.
Either try to balance between the two sides to keep myself out of the war for as long as possible.
Or turning my cloak on the Thorns and try to extend my domains in the north.
The single biggest bonehead move I could make would be to make enemies of the greatest naval forces in Derria, a full blockade will result in an economy crash in the matter of weeks, not to mention the possible threat of widespread famine in a few months, but there is also a small chance I will join the revolt quite soon.

I hope it´s acceptable.
And note that it´s not written in stone and it might change if i change my mind or if it is unacceptable.

Sounds good.

Balthazar will fall in the siege of Sturmwall to a betrayal, fitting enough. Earl Bulgovad is to be the legitimate figurehead in the Rebellion-more of a diplomat than anything.

Make sure a body is left intact so I can mount his head on a pike.

the Dreys need someone to RP for them! I don't want to do it.

Sure.

Finally we have created a very interesting world here that I think should be utilized more. Much of the world has yet to be explored besides major population centers and Ahkour. I'm formulating a new plot that takes place 170 years before the present day to see if it catches anybody's attention. It would be a side RP derivative of this one, adventure/quest style, character intensive, and not faction based. Let me know what you think as it develops.

[Halleon]

Well I foreseen a possible pretender Head Priest being appointed and the council meeting I'm going to have in the Paragon City will have all the high ranking members of the Church there so anyone of value or importance will be in Paragon City. I gotta appoint a heir or a successor encase Mariak is killed or dies and I'm going to invent a series of trails for that which might take time plus the reforms I have a planned for the Church won't be finished in a single day. Some Clergymen might support a United Derria but that doesn't mean a United Derria under the current Royal Family's control that card can be twisted and manipulated by both side Loyalist or Rebels.

Side Question it takes a week to travel from the capital to Paragon City right? If that's so can a time jump occur if everyone agrees to one?

[Firstaria]

By the way I suggest we start to make just the voices of the royals being spirit worshiper spread. You know just preparing the field until we decide what seed to plant; voices will not be enough to do anything, but will start picking a little the bastion of the Royals are symbol of absolute right.

[Shnercropolis]

Not much for me to post right now.

[Halleon]

I will work on a post so it should be up hopefully sometime today.

[Merodin]

Question: Sorry, when did Vedrion conquer all of Derria again? 170 years ago or so?

[Halleon]

Question: Sorry, when did Vedrion conquer all of Derria again? 170 years ago or so?

I thought it was 300 hundred years ago I could be wrong though.

[Damak Var]

300 years ago. The 170 things is an idea im flirting with. I'm ok with the time skips for Mariak. And the rumors thing is a good idea. Also this week has been pretty busy. Ill get in an IC post tomorrow.

[Der Kaiser Mikey III]

timeskip works once i wrap things up

[Firstaria]

I don't want to sound polemic, since I know Damak has things to do RL, but my capital is still not on the map...

[Damak Var]

I don't want to sound polemic, since I know Damak has things to do RL, but my capital is still not on the map...

It'll get on there. NDH just sent me some stuff so I have to update the map anyways. And you should be glad its not on there. Nobody can attack your capital if they cant find it!

The events going on around 170 years ago is just another idea I'm kinda having fun with. If it catches on and I think of a good plotline for it I'll turn it into another RP of its own.

Pretty much its during the reign of King Illethrion. He has 5 sons, 4 of them princes, 1 a secret bastard.

Hadrion, Saerion, and Falion have gained the allegiance of different lords and nobles of Derria. They've raised their armies and are in a raging free for all war of succession against each other.

Merion is the youngest. He's sitting in Avantine just drinking and partying because that's all he wants to do.

Alarion is the secret bastard and the only one who listens to his father.

King Illethrion is in Avantine and can't do anything about the war as the Wallstryn military is incapacitated. The bannerman won't answer the call to arms.

Now, superbowl time!

[Der Kaiser Mikey III]

I don't want to sound polemic, since I know Damak has things to do RL, but my capital is still not on the map...

It'll get on there. NDH just sent me some stuff so I have to update the map anyways. And you should be glad its not on there. Nobody can attack your capital if they cant find it!

The events going on around 170 years ago is just another idea I'm kinda having fun with. If it catches on and I think of a good plotline for it I'll turn it into another RP of its own.

Pretty much its during the reign of King Illethrion. He has 5 sons, 4 of them princes, 1 a secret bastard.

Hadrion, Saerion, and Falion have gained the allegiance of different lords and nobles of Derria. They've raised their armies and are in a raging free for all war of succession against each other.

Merion is the youngest. He's sitting in Avantine just drinking and partying because that's all he wants to do.

Alarion is the secret bastard and the only one who listens to his father.

King Illethrion is in Avantine and can't do anything about the war as the Wallstryn military is incapacitated. The bannerman won't answer the call to arms.

Now, superbowl time!

I'd be down for another RP, sounds bomb as hell!

[Shnercropolis]

I'm back from skiing y'alls!

[Halleon]

Is it possible for a river to be added to the map that is somewhere near Paragon City and connects to the Bay of Odenos?

[The New Lowlands]

On that note, could we add a city called Tellent in the East of Velunia?

[Damak Var]

On that note, could we add a city called Tellent in the East of Velunia?

coastal city?

[Damak Var]

Map Update

Few places were added to Vorzov.
The Shoals have been renamed to Kursturm.
A river was added as per Halleon's request.
Calatia, the capital of Firania was added.
Ellesmera, the capital of Alanthi was added. Did not really know where exactly to put it so I just followed guidelines from Merodin's app.

Also I added a capitals and seats of power list for reference in the second post. See if I got anything wrong.

House Wallstryn- Avantine, Vedrion's Keep
House Thorn- Sturmwall
House Kazanowski- Visegrad, Frozen Citadel
House Bathel- Bathfort
House Nyblom- Lorhaven
House Delacroix- Calatia
House Velun- Chila
House Helyanwe- Ellesmera
Church of the Paragon- City of the Paragon