Quest for the Crown (medieval, OOC, COMPLETED)

[Damak Var]

Ublia. Im in the process of moving so i wont be posting until tomorrow btw.

[SaintB]

I am back in.

[Of the Quendi]

Renaming of the cities of Palaeosia

Direnia to Palaedranost
Vellet to Aenaeanost
Venetia to Venetiae
Rheinkar to Illium
Kudara to Genuaea
Venetie to Garzinnaea
Staria to Polaeris
Senera to Raeguost
Griona to Arcanaea
Calatia to Corcyraea

Finally a city by the name of Firstariost should be located in the inland region near Velun and Vorzov. On the map of the forests it should lie midway between the forest bordering Velun and the southernmost angle of the forest bordering Vorzov.

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Also what is the general view in Derria of homosexuality? I plan on having Uraeziel be fairly experimenting with his sexual life and wonder how much I should have him keep that a secret.

[SaintB]

Also what is the general view in Derria of homosexuality? I plan on having Uraeziel be fairly experimenting with his sexual life and wonder how much I should have him keep that a secret.

I can speak on behalf of house Averril when I say they don't really care.

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

Also what is the general view in Derria of homosexuality? I plan on having Uraeziel be fairly experimenting with his sexual life and wonder how much I should have him keep that a secret.

That depends on the mindset we're using. If we're using a romanesque kind of mentality than homosexuality is acceptable but if you were portrayed the "woman" of the relationship, then your deemed less than a man.

If we're using medieval, than homosexuality is forbidden offically, but can be praticed in private so long as it is a secret. Following our GoT ideal, homosexuality is used as slander and is rumored to be practiced by some in the nobility. Since masculinity follows into the bedchambers it would be in your best interest to keep it a secret regardless.

I will be following the GoT example and have Northernman use it as slander and propoganda.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Also what is the general view in Derria of homosexuality? I plan on having Uraeziel be fairly experimenting with his sexual life and wonder how much I should have him keep that a secret.

The Vorzovian view is quite old, dating back to before the nation adopted the Paragon faith and still kept the Old Gods. And it is a very hostile view, warriors who fled in battle, homosexuals and others belived guilty of different kinds of 'shame crimes' would be executed by smothering in a bog by a Priest. As then it is belived that their souls would be trapped and incapable of reaching the honored halls of the Afterlife and befoul them.

[Damak Var]

Id say for this setting it would be stigmatized. Itd be a good way for you to create some scandal.

[Arbarlorn]

The Velunians, although informally not caring what a man does in the sack, has to support it formally. Imagine Florence in the 15th Century if you will. Sodomy was forbidden and punishable but rarely enforced.

[Damak Var]

No matter how you deal with it legally, lets just say its stigmatized across Derria. I know we are all progressive non-prejudicial individuals OOC (well I hope so). But I think in the IC setting homosexuality would be viewed as a scandal across the general populace.

[Arbarlorn]

No matter how you deal with it legally, lets just say its stigmatized across Derria. I know we are all progressive non-prejudicial individuals OOC (well I hope so). But I think in the IC setting homosexuality would be viewed as a scandal across the general populace.

Oh, make no mistake. In Velunia, getting caught sodomizing is a heinous act.

[Of the Quendi]

Well in the absence of one inter Derrian position of homosexuality I will have the Palaeosian Derrians be fairly tolerant, and the Palaeosian Illionae be Athenian with a distinction made between being the active or passive participants. People who consider that shameful can take it up with the Palaeosian navy in which it will be a relatively commonplace.

Also I would like to apologize for not posting. I am having a bit of writer's block about my next post since I want it to be a good introduction for my main character Uraeziel and can't seem to get it right. If I haven't gotten it done by then I will post what I have by wednesday so we can move on to the Battle of Visengrad.

[Evraim]

Id say for this setting it would be stigmatized. Itd be a good way for you to create some scandal.

In the East though... Should I presume that the Pirate cities are more similar to the Greek polises or to the Italian city-states of the Renaissance? Of course, I could also have the sexual attitudes of the Sathar be derived from those of their peers in Derria. Honestly, I'm leaning toward that option at this point. We wouldn't want them being too different.

[Arbarlorn]

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[Ublia]

I'm so sorry about my tardiness anyways she's about ready. Oh and she's a doozy to add.

[Damak Var]

Id say for this setting it would be stigmatized. Itd be a good way for you to create some scandal.

In the East though... Should I presume that the Pirate cities are more similar to the Greek polises or to the Italian city-states of the Renaissance? Of course, I could also have the sexual attitudes of the Sathar be derived from those of their peers in Derria. Honestly, I'm leaning toward that option at this point. We wouldn't want them being too different.

After generations of being in Derria, they are pretty much Derrian now.

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Map Update

[Evraim]

After generations of being in Derria, they are pretty much Derrian now.

Exactly. So, we use accusations of homosexuality to slight our political enemies.

Also, I finished with my last Kaspar post. I want to work with Diana now, but I'll probably have the Sathar skirmish with the loyalist outriders at the same time.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=211933&p=14091765#p14091765

Lastly, when do we start the polls for potential relationships?

[Of the Quendi]

Finished my post. Some of you may note that the amount of manpower manning the 72 warships and 12 supply ships is very very high so I probably should explain that a bit. The reason that some 12,000 Oarsmen is present with my navy is obviously that it, as all GOT style navies should, rely greatly on rowers for propulsion. I would however argue that the 12,000 Oarsmen shouldn't be counted entirely as troops but also as a sort of camp followers for the fleet.

Though Palaeosian Oarsmen are neither slaves (that wasn't as common as popular culture would have us believe, both Rome and the Greeks primarily relied on free men) (+ is slavery legal in Derria?) but nor are they soldiers. They are employed primarily by the navy to tend to the farming and forestry businesses owned by the navy (which also operates civilian businesses in Palaeosia) and thus spend more time in support operations than they do on the sea for war or training (they do train though).

Even so the Palaeosian Navy is a formidable force and has an enormous manpower so I am offering to scale it down from the 120 warships Firstaria submitted to 108 warships for the new navy.

Here is an overview of the warships of the entire Palaeosian Navy:

Present at the Siege of Sturmwall
2 Galleass-of-War
11 Galleass
9 Heavy Galleys
17 Galleys
1 Armoured Dromons
26 Dromons
2 Light Dromons
2 Battle Shebeks
1 Light Shebeks

Arriving with Sil Arion for the Battle of Visengrad
1 Galleass
6 Dromons
2 Light Dromons
5 Battle Shebeks
4 Light Shebeks

Not attending the Siege of Sturmwall or the Battle of Visengrad
1 Galleass
2 Armoured Dromons
4 Dromons
3 Light Dromons
5 Battle Shebeks
1 Light Shebek

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

Finished my post. Some of you may note that the amount of manpower manning the 72 warships and 12 supply ships is very very high so I probably should explain that a bit. The reason that some 12,000 Oarsmen is present with my navy is obviously that it, as all GOT style navies should, rely greatly on rowers for propulsion. I would however argue that the 12,000 Oarsmen shouldn't be counted entirely as troops but also as a sort of camp followers for the fleet.

Though Palaeosian Oarsmen are neither slaves (that wasn't as common as popular culture would have us believe, both Rome and the Greeks primarily relied on free men) (+ is slavery legal in Derria?) but nor are they soldiers. They are employed primarily by the navy to tend to the farming and forestry businesses owned by the navy (which also operates civilian businesses in Palaeosia) and thus spend more time in support operations than they do on the sea for war or training (they do train though).

Even so the Palaeosian Navy is a formidable force and has an enormous manpower so I am offering to scale it down from the 120 warships Firstaria submitted to 108 warships for the new navy.

Here is an overview of the warships of the entire Palaeosian Navy:

Present at the Siege of Sturmwall
2 Galleass-of-War
11 Galleass
9 Heavy Galleys
17 Galleys
1 Armoured Dromons
26 Dromons
2 Light Dromons
2 Battle Shebeks
1 Light Shebeks

Arriving with Sil Arion for the Battle of Visengrad
1 Galleass
6 Dromons
2 Light Dromons
5 Battle Shebeks
4 Light Shebeks

Not attending the Siege of Sturmwall or the Battle of Visengrad
1 Galleass
2 Armoured Dromons
4 Dromons
3 Light Dromons
5 Battle Shebeks
1 Light Shebek

That seems reasonable to me, and no I don't think slavery is legal in Derria.

[Of the Quendi]

That seems reasonable to me, and no I don't think slavery is legal in Derria.

Thats a shame, I was kinda hoping that Palaeosia could be lock that trade down (pun intended) and dominate human trafficking in all of Derria, importing Agrascan slaves to be sold all over the kingdom. Oh well I will just have to discreetly sell them to the Delitans instead I guess

[Arbarlorn]

That seems reasonable to me, and no I don't think slavery is legal in Derria.

Thats a shame, I was kinda hoping that Palaeosia could be lock that trade down (pun intended) and dominate human trafficking in all of Derria, importing Agrascan slaves to be sold all over the kingdom. Oh well I will just have to discreetly sell them to the Delitans instead I guess

Be careful doing that. Getting caught might send you the way of Jorah Mormont.

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

Thats a shame, I was kinda hoping that Palaeosia could be lock that trade down (pun intended) and dominate human trafficking in all of Derria, importing Agrascan slaves to be sold all over the kingdom. Oh well I will just have to discreetly sell them to the Delitans instead I guess

Be careful doing that. Getting caught might send you the way of Jorah Mormont.

Yeah, might also be weary of investing so many ships into fighting in the war; else suffer a Battle of Blackwater Bay.

[Of the Quendi]

Be careful doing that. Getting caught might send you the way of Jorah Mormont.

In the middle of a civil war? At a time where my navy will be the strongest in the country? Hardly. But I will be discreet enough for the Crown to pretend not to know anything.

Yeah, might also be weary of investing so many ships into fighting in the war; else suffer a Battle of Blackwater Bay.

The problem at Blackwater Bay was hardly that House Baratheon had brought in to many ships but rather that they failed to use them in a sensible fashion. If Stannis had used the ships to transport his ground forces to the north side and then not send them into wildfire filled waters he would have probably won that battle. Anyway my navy is dropping out once the amphibious assault on Visengrad fails. Then it will sail home and do stuff in the Varian Sea and the Bay of Odenos. I had thought to perhaps get involved with the Hyderra Succession crisis and maybe send support to Akmal the Vicious to undermine the Crown.

[Arbarlorn]

Be careful doing that. Getting caught might send you the way of Jorah Mormont.

In the middle of a civil war? At a time where my navy will be the strongest in the country? Hardly. But I will be discreet enough for the Crown to pretend not to know anything.

Yeah, might also be weary of investing so many ships into fighting in the war; else suffer a Battle of Blackwater Bay.

The problem at Blackwater Bay was hardly that House Baratheon had brought in to many ships but rather that they failed to use them in a sensible fashion. If Stannis had used the ships to transport his ground forces to the north side and then not send them into wildfire filled waters he would have probably won that battle. Anyway my navy is dropping out once the amphibious assault on Visengrad fails. Then it will sail home and do stuff in the Varian Sea and the Bay of Odenos. I had thought to perhaps get involved with the Hyderra Succession crisis and maybe send support to Akmal the Vicious to undermine the Crown.

You know Velunia has a pretty sizeable presences in the Varian Sea as well.

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

The problem at Blackwater Bay was hardly that House Baratheon had brought in to many ships but rather that they failed to use them in a sensible fashion. If Stannis had used the ships to transport his ground forces to the north side and then not send them into wildfire filled waters he would have probably won that battle. Anyway my navy is dropping out once the amphibious assault on Visengrad fails. Then it will sail home and do stuff in the Varian Sea and the Bay of Odenos. I had thought to perhaps get involved with the Hyderra Succession crisis and maybe send support to Akmal the Vicious to undermine the Crown.

Well, the problem at Blackwater Bay was: 1) The Imp's great chain. 2) The lack of foresight as far as Wildfire was concerned. 3) Whilst not tactically deployed properly, the Baratheon fleet was superior to the Lannister/Baratheon force and was overconfident of victory.

[Of the Quendi]

You know Velunia has a pretty sizeable presences in the Varian Sea as well.

All the more reason for me to get my ships there. Although I think you mean the Bay of Odenos, though I am more concerned with the Hydera Navy (thats the Clyfton military app right?)

Well, the problem at Blackwater Bay was: 1) The Imp's great chain. 2) The lack of foresight as far as Wildfire was concerned. 3) Whilst not tactically deployed properly, the Baratheon fleet was superior to the Lannister/Baratheon force and was overconfident of victory.

I agree, but since my navy will not make those mistakes (except perhaps the overconfidence part) my main issue with my huge deployment is that it cost a fortune to keep close to twenty thousand people under arms. I think I will have Uraeziel try to blackmail House Thorn into paying the Palaeosian navy to drop the siege of Sturmwall after the Folkport force fails to take Visengrad. A danegeld if you will.