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Halleon
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Postby Halleon » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:11 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Kherkov wrote:
That doesn't make the whole JAL communist...

If it ever does apart from you...... the very VERY capitalist, imperialist, authoritarian LIN will take you in


I'm not going communist so if Jer does or even another member goes communist I think it would be balanced.
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Postby Kherkov » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:11 pm

Halleon wrote:
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Japan is already fascist in the way it is very authoritarian (secret police, 1984-style stuff) and radically nationalistic. However it is a Bourgeois nation, rather than a proletarian one like fascism promotes. We have a capitalistic-ish economy and promote imperialism.


I got a supreme leader Tilios but a senate that does have some say and influence, military is seen as the pride of the Republic, I would say the Republic is very nationalistic, and not really a big promoter or supporter of imperialism since I don't really have colonies. The Elite Republican Guard could be a secret police but its more like the SS the fanatics of Tilios get recruited into the ERG.


Ah, I see...

We have the Metsuke as the Gestapo, pretty much, the Imperial Guard Infantry (mabye Black Bear etc as well) as the SS, and Ishin Shishi as... can't think of an anecdote but they are propaganda experts and rally the populace of friendly towns and armies, and incite revolts in enemy towns. Ninja are badass assassins :P

Japan's people are extremely nationalistic and extremely imperialist. The Emperor has an iron grip over the populace and loyalty to him is unwavering.
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Postby Jerusalemian » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:13 pm

This calls for the mexican secret police the black guard they have to obey only the emperor only thats why we keep our people lets say "Working machines"
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Postby Kherkov » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:19 pm

Jerusalemian wrote:This calls for the mexican secret police the black guard they have to obey only the emperor only thats why we keep our people lets say "Working machines"


So you're going authoritarian socialist?
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Postby Jerusalemian » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:20 pm

Kherkov wrote:
Jerusalemian wrote:This calls for the mexican secret police the black guard they have to obey only the emperor only thats why we keep our people lets say "Working machines"


So you're going authoritarian socialist?

Maybe or i just might be i high breed of communism and authoritarian socialism
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Postby Nova Imperius » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:22 pm

Kherkov wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I got a supreme leader Tilios but a senate that does have some say and influence, military is seen as the pride of the Republic, I would say the Republic is very nationalistic, and not really a big promoter or supporter of imperialism since I don't really have colonies. The Elite Republican Guard could be a secret police but its more like the SS the fanatics of Tilios get recruited into the ERG.


Ah, I see...

We have the Metsuke as the Gestapo, pretty much, the Imperial Guard Infantry (mabye Black Bear etc as well) as the SS, and Ishin Shishi as... can't think of an anecdote but they are propaganda experts and rally the populace of friendly towns and armies, and incite revolts in enemy towns. Ninja are badass assassins :P.

Oh i cant wait to see this balanced JAL of the future. As we all know Nazis, Facists, Capitalists, and Communists get on infamously well
Japan's people are extremely nationalistic and extremely imperialist. The Emperor has an iron grip over the populace and loyalty to him is unwavering
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Postby Halleon » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:23 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
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Ah, I see...

We have the Metsuke as the Gestapo, pretty much, the Imperial Guard Infantry (mabye Black Bear etc as well) as the SS, and Ishin Shishi as... can't think of an anecdote but they are propaganda experts and rally the populace of friendly towns and armies, and incite revolts in enemy towns. Ninja are badass assassins :P.

Oh i cant wait to see this balanced JAL of the future. As we all know Nazis, Facists, Capitalists, and Communists get on infamously well
Japan's people are extremely nationalistic and extremely imperialist. The Emperor has an iron grip over the populace and loyalty to him is unwavering


I don't think any of us are going Nazi's since none of us are Germany.
Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age. -James Joyce

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”-Abraham Lincoln
"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
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Postby Jerusalemian » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:24 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Oh i cant wait to see this balanced JAL of the future. As we all know Nazis, Facists, Capitalists, and Communists get on infamously well
Japan's people are extremely nationalistic and extremely imperialist. The Emperor has an iron grip over the populace and loyalty to him is unwavering


I don't think any of us are going Nazi's since none of us are Germany.

Well we all know how nazi germany ended so nazism is out
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Postby Nova Imperius » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:26 pm

Jerusalemian wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I don't think any of us are going Nazi's since none of us are Germany.

Well we all know how nazi germany ended so nazism is out

You dont need to be germany to be a nazi. Its basicly being very Nationalist and very socialist at the same time. If you minus the insane racial extermination it isnt to different from Fascism

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Postby Halleon » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:29 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Jerusalemian wrote:Well we all know how nazi germany ended so nazism is out

You dont need to be germany to be a nazi. Its basicly being very Nationalist and very socialist at the same time. If you minus the insane racial extermination it isnt to different from Fascism


The Nazi's were a political party formed in Germany since none of us are in Germany or in the the situation Germany was I don't see a Nazi Party rising in any of us. Such a party can't rise in the Republic because its to multi-cultural for it to work. I might have a Tiliosism type of ideogoly emerge but it won't be nothing like Nazi's.
Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age. -James Joyce

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”-Abraham Lincoln
"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
―Varys to Tyrion Lannister

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Postby Kherkov » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:29 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:You dont need to be germany to be a nazi. Its basicly being very Nationalist and very socialist at the same time. If you minus the insane racial extermination it isnt to different from Fascism


The Nazi's were a political party formed in Germany since none of us are in Germany or in the the situation Germany was I don't see a Nazi Party rising in any of us. Such a party can't rise in the Republic because its to multi-cultural for it to work. I might have a Tiliosism type of ideogoly emerge but it won't be nothing like Nazi's.


^ Yep.
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Postby Jerusalemian » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:31 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:You dont need to be germany to be a nazi. Its basicly being very Nationalist and very socialist at the same time. If you minus the insane racial extermination it isnt to different from Fascism


The Nazi's were a political party formed in Germany since none of us are in Germany or in the the situation Germany was I don't see a Nazi Party rising in any of us. Such a party can't rise in the Republic because its to multi-cultural for it to work. I might have a Tiliosism type of ideogoly emerge but it won't be nothing like Nazi's.

tiliosism lol
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Postby Kherkov » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:33 pm

Eumachus wrote:
-snip-

Zaragoza
A soldier, tired of being heckleed, shot his rifle at a rioter. The rioters exploded in anger, and shouted "Death to the Dons". Soon hundreds of cavalry had trampled the rioters.
Colonel Jose Frullo watched from Zaragoza castle. "this is not good" he said, shaking his head. "call 50,000 more from Madrid".
113 rioters had been killed for their crimes against the crown. 4 inciters were under arrest.

-snip-



Tad godmoddy to state your enemies' casualties.
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Postby Mishmahig » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:34 pm

Uhm, Eumachus.....Zaragoza is in a state of full and open revolution. We're not talking about a few hundred protesters---we're talking about a good portion of the city rising up against the Espaniatan soldiers. The majority are armed with common weapons, but various groups do have salvaged Francian weapons.

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Postby Cirema » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:34 pm

Halleon wrote:Is anybody wanting to go communist or fascist?

Hmm... last time I went commie, I screwed everything up terribly. And I'm radically opposed to Fascism so writing about it as if it were the greatest thing ever would be hard.

I think I'll probably stay normal-ish, though kind of socialist.

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Postby Nova Imperius » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:35 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:You dont need to be germany to be a nazi. Its basicly being very Nationalist and very socialist at the same time. If you minus the insane racial extermination it isnt to different from Fascism


The Nazi's were a political party formed in Germany since none of us are in Germany or in the the situation Germany was I don't see a Nazi Party rising in any of us. Such a party can't rise in the Republic because its to multi-cultural for it to work. I might have a Tiliosism type of ideogoly emerge but it won't be nothing like Nazi's.

Oh well there is no Russia either so no Communism. It had nothing to do with the nation other than its situation. country Bankrupt, country desperate, country being controlled by foreign powers, country starving. The people looked for a quick fix and they got it.

In Imperial Russia people were starving, people were bankrupt, people were desperate, people were being controlled by the Tsar. They got a quick fix.

The difference is people and country. National and singular. Nazism and Communism

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Postby Cirema » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:39 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Halleon wrote:
The Nazi's were a political party formed in Germany since none of us are in Germany or in the the situation Germany was I don't see a Nazi Party rising in any of us. Such a party can't rise in the Republic because its to multi-cultural for it to work. I might have a Tiliosism type of ideogoly emerge but it won't be nothing like Nazi's.

Oh well there is no Russia either so no Communism.

Lolno. Russia is a very poor examples of many former Communist areas (Ukrainian Free Territory, Paris Commune, Anarchist Aragorn and Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, Israeli Kibbutzim, Mexican Zapistas, Maoist villages in Asia, etc.). The Communist Manifesto was written by Marx, a German, while he lived in France, with Engels, a Brit.

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Postby Halleon » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:41 pm

Nova its Fascism and Communism, when you say Nazism it has everything to do with Germany as in the nation. Communism as a ideal exist except no nation has yet to embrace it just as Fascism as a ideal already exist except nobody is calling themselves fully Fascism. Its generic and kinda pointless to be like Muh or whatever his name when he tried to form the Nazi party in the MID Empire and call it the Nazi Mid Empire.
Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age. -James Joyce

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”-Abraham Lincoln
"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
―Varys to Tyrion Lannister

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Postby Kherkov » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:42 pm

Cirema wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Oh well there is no Russia either so no Communism.

Lolno. Russia is a very poor examples of many former Communist areas (Ukrainian Free Territory, Paris Commune, Anarchist Aragorn and Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, Israeli Kibbutzim, Mexican Zapistas, Maoist villages in Asia, etc.). The Communist Manifesto was written by Marx, a German, while he lived in France, with Engels, a Brit.


^ Was going to write this :P haha
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Postby Jerusalemian » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:43 pm

Halleon wrote:Nova its Fascism and Communism, when you say Nazism it has everything to do with Germany as in the nation. Communism as a ideal exist except no nation has yet to embrace it just as Fascism as a ideal already exist except nobody is calling themselves fully Fascism. Its generic and kinda pointless to be like Muh or whatever his name when he tried to form the Nazi party in the MID Empire and call it the Nazi Mid Empire.

You mean muhamadia the guy who almost ruined the mid empire?
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Postby Mishmahig » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:44 pm

Jerusalemian wrote:
Halleon wrote:Nova its Fascism and Communism, when you say Nazism it has everything to do with Germany as in the nation. Communism as a ideal exist except no nation has yet to embrace it just as Fascism as a ideal already exist except nobody is calling themselves fully Fascism. Its generic and kinda pointless to be like Muh or whatever his name when he tried to form the Nazi party in the MID Empire and call it the Nazi Mid Empire.

You mean muhamadia the guy who almost ruined the mid empire?


Fixed. :P

But no, he did well at first, but then tried to shift things around and flubbed a few things (happens to all of us) which led to the current situation.

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Postby Kherkov » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:45 pm

Jerusalemian wrote:
Halleon wrote:Nova its Fascism and Communism, when you say Nazism it has everything to do with Germany as in the nation. Communism as a ideal exist except no nation has yet to embrace it just as Fascism as a ideal already exist except nobody is calling themselves fully Fascism. Its generic and kinda pointless to be like Muh or whatever his name when he tried to form the Nazi party in the MID Empire and call it the Nazi Mid Empire.

You mean muhamadia the guy who almost ruined the mid empire?


That's the one.
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Postby Nova Imperius » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:45 pm

Kherkov wrote:
Cirema wrote:Lolno. Russia is a very poor examples of many former Communist areas (Ukrainian Free Territory, Paris Commune, Anarchist Aragorn and Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, Israeli Kibbutzim, Mexican Zapistas, Maoist villages in Asia, etc.). The Communist Manifesto was written by Marx, a German, while he lived in France, with Engels, a Brit.


^ Was going to write this :P haha

Mmm now that wouldnt work as they were banned from half the nations in Europe including France. He lived in London from the age 33 to death and wrote his most famous "capital". Also thats Marxism not Communism. Nazism is basicly Fascism when you loom at it

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Postby Jerusalemian » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:47 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Jerusalemian wrote:You mean muhamadia the guy who almost ruined the mid empire?


Fixed. :P

But no, he did well at first, but then tried to shift things around and flubbed a few things (happens to all of us) which led to the current situation.

Well yep
Also post in the goddamn jal meeting guys
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The best and shortest road towards knowledge of truth is Nature.

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Postby Mishmahig » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:48 pm

Jerusalemian wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
Fixed. :P

But no, he did well at first, but then tried to shift things around and flubbed a few things (happens to all of us) which led to the current situation.

Well yep
Also post in the goddamn jal meeting guys


Cirema, did you have an issue you wanted me to address, or...? Ahah, nevermind, saw your recent post.
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