1939! The World of Tomorrow! [PT/ALT-HIST/OOC/OPEN]

[Altito Asmoro]

Iron Curtain is different. In there, minor nations like Indonesia and Vietnam could try to be major, while in here, it will be very hard.

Very true. It's one of the reasons I usually play RPs from before the age of nukes and automatic weapons and such. It's a lot easier to develop, and generally get things done.

Right...

How are you today?

[Alleniana]

Very true. It's one of the reasons I usually play RPs from before the age of nukes and automatic weapons and such. It's a lot easier to develop, and generally get things done.

Right...

How are you today?

Umm... good? Why?...

[Delsola]

I agree that people over develop nations. In the Iron Curtain, I worked hard to secure trade and internal development for South Africa, implementing long-term economic and military development plans that ensured a steady increase in geopolitical clout and economic pull. Meanwhile, China thinks it has a 2012 economy in 1955, and never even mentions the Great Leap Forward or anything of the sort.

But I like this group. It seems fairly self-aware, which is the key to a well developed RP.

Meanwhile, Akasha, does the government have a stance on protests in Budapest?

Iron Curtain is different. In there, minor nations like Indonesia and Vietnam could try to be major, while in here, it will be very hard.

No, it wasn't different at all. Minor nations could be significant in that they could cause a crisis for the great powers to compete over, but that had nothing to do with development. If anything internal development was more important in the Iron Curtain, because it took place over a time of mass global economic change and over a much longer time period. So no, it wasn't different. People still over powered themselves with no basis.

[Alleniana]

Iron Curtain is different. In there, minor nations like Indonesia and Vietnam could try to be major, while in here, it will be very hard.

No, it wasn't different at all. Minor nations could be significant in that they could cause a crisis for the great powers to compete over, but that had nothing to do with development. If anything internal development was more important in the Iron Curtain, because it took place over a time of mass global economic change and over a much longer time period. So no, it wasn't different. People still over powered themselves with no basis.

What sort of RP is Iron Curtain? I read the OP and didn't feel I would like it much, but a lot of others seem to be playing it.

[Delsola]

It's finished

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'm bak from my weekend in Texel! Huzzah! Now, where did I leave that colonel?

[Lunas Legion]

APP
NS Nation Name: Lunas Legion
Desired 1939 RP Nation: Ravina
RP Sample:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=232532
Why do you want to be this nation?: Because Finland (or Ravina) is in a very intresting starting position, balanced between two nations much more powerful than it, and it must perform a careful balancing act to survive.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

A while ago I posted an app f Ireland. I don't know if I was accepted or not but I was wondering such if the nations on the first post are actually taken and which aren't. Thank you.

[Redemption-America]

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name:Notangians
Desired 1939 RP Nation:Mexico
Why do you want to be this nation?:I was toying around with one idea and I think 1939! fits here
perfectly. So its more a proposal, than app, but still...

(short list of references)
The divergence point here is summer of 1914, then Victoriano Huerta is forced in to exile after his short and bloody reign. Together with his close ally Pascual Orozco, Huerta began plotting his return. In reality, Huerta spend rest of his life in USA, attempting to get support from German embassy in and died in January 16, 1916. Orozco was killed August of 1915 in Texas, when he tried to cross the border.
Divergence is that instead of putting Huerta under surveillance, Wilson administration forced him to leave the country after the war began.
He went to Havana, as Cuba was nominally independent protectorate of USA, thus it was close to Mexico, but unreachable for his enemies and US didn't cared about him that much to continue persecution after Huerta was outside USA proper.
New president of Mexico-Carranza- disbanded Huerta's army (Federales) and Rurales (mounted police force, also largely loyal to Huerta), leaving exiles with no firm power base at home and Germans were reluctant to give support for lost cause.
But meantime Emiliano Zapata and Francisco Villa broke up with Constitucionalistas in order to push radical land reform. Initial success of Convencionistas lead to the panic among hacendados- rich land owners. To them regime of Diaz was "good old days" and Huertistas was closest thing to that left.

Then Huerta himself died in 1916, Orozco took over as the head of the faction. Hacendados were reluctant towards him, as during Huearta's presidency Orozco instituted some social reforms, but he managed to win them over by stating a fact that some reforms are inevitable and question only is who will led them and to what extent it will go.
Orozco managed to fix most of the things Huearta broke, like reestablishing alliance with Felix Diaz (who was fighting his own war in South Mexico) and other factions close to old regime. By the end of 1917 Orozco concentrated his attention towards clergy, as central government become increasingly anti-religious.
By the same time Orozco moved his headquarters to Bogota, out of direct influence of USA. Small amount of money, coming from Germans (Berlin was interested in keeping turmoil in the USA neighborhood), was all spent to propaganda rising religious sentiments against constitution of 1917.
Orozco's idea was to form conservative movement of the masses like French Vendeans, Italian Sanfedists and especially Spanish Carlists- from them Orozco stole slogan: "Dios, Patria, Fueros, Rey".
Mexico at the time was already tired of warlords fighting each other and idea of "God blessed regime" who will protect "small person" fell in to fertile ground. Combined with with rising tensions around issue of secularism Orozco's movement become noticeable in national scene.
General and Huertista Enrique Gorostieta secretly returned to Mexico in early 1918 and began to organize an army.
At this time all Orozco needed was a monarch. Head of the Imperial House of Mexico (grandson of Agustín I and adoptive son of Maximilian I ) Agustín de Iturbide lived in USA since 1890 and suffered from heavy mental breakdowns. Heir-apparent, daughter of Agustin's cousin Salvador were more promising. Salvador's family lived in Austrian Empire since 1867, but neither Maria de Itúrbide neither her younger sisters responded to the proposals.
War began in November of 1918. Federal forces tracked whereabouts of Gorostieta and surrounded his hideout in the church of the small town in Jalisco. In the fallowing gunfight two priest were killed and general escaped. All the sentiments, fulled by Orozco propaganda, broke out and Cristero War began. Veterans of Huearta army and Felix Diaz forces soon joined and took over western part of country.
Carranza's government was still continuing war with Villa and Zapata, divided by the conflict between liberals (led by Carranza) and radicals (led by Álvaro Obregón) and had no resources to put down one more mass uprising. Meanwhile Gorostieta bypassed regions under Villa and Zapata control and marched directly towards capital city. Orozco's propaganda machine worked at full captivity and caused desertions from weakened Constitucionalistas military. In February 17 Gorostieta and Diaz entered Mexico city and declared Provisional Regency in the name of still absent Emperor.

Two major forces took serious notice on this developments: USA and Germany. Seeing Orozco's achievements, Germans approached Regency proposing candidate from Habsburg dynasty in exchange for support in munitions and military advisers.
For Americans it was intolerable breach of Monroe doctrine and the response was military invasion of much larger scale than expedition against Villa.
Invasion backfired heavily:in this circumstances it was much easier for Orozco to accept German proposal, also he managed to sign truce with Villa and Zapata in order to repulse foreign invasion (a huge achievement for Huertista). American invasion lasted from June of 1918 till May of 1920. US forces occupied most of the Northern Mexico but Mexicans launched guerrilla campaign and war become dead-end conflict to costly to continue for bout sides. Peace eventually was signed: USA recognized Third Mexican Empire and Mexico obligated to never enter in to any agreement or pact targeted against United States.
In the end of May, new emperor Joseph Ferdinand arrived in Mexico and formally took over.

Nonetheless, conflict between Orozco and Convencionistas (Villa and Zapata) remained unresolved. Villa's forces, however, were heavily diminished by the war and remains of his army were more a nuisance than real threat. Zapata still held a sizable force and Orozco decided to enter in alliance with him. Hacendados were outraged, but at this point Orozco did not need them anymore.
New government was eventually formed and new constitution adopted in early 1921.
Mexico is now formally constitutional monarchy and de facto dictatorship led by no other than Orozco. Land reform was carried out- while not so radically as Zapata envisioned, but two major points of his program were fulfilled: land stolen under Diaz returned and one third of hacenda lands distributed.
Economic growth and expansion of industry was strongly curbed by crisis of 1929-1933, but by now country stands back on its feat.
Orozco and his clique controls political life, with the help of secret police, but regime is now somewhat more tolerant than in the days of Diaz.
Still, two decades after civil war, new tensions rising: unemployment remains high in urban centers and radical socialist organizations are growing. Voices, demanding larger space between state and church becomes more louder.
Relations with United States remains cold and based on mistrust, while Orozco tries to keep Europan influence at bay.

It also gives an explanation why USA did not reacted on German intervention in South America in 1919.

Approved, but only if you remove the war with the United States from your backstory. The US being involved in a war in the Western Hemisphere would change too much of its character. Isolationism wouldn't make sense.

APP
NS Nation Name: Lunas Legion
Desired 1939 RP Nation: Ravina
RP Sample:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=232532
Why do you want to be this nation?: Because Finland (or Ravina) is in a very intresting starting position, balanced between two nations much more powerful than it, and it must perform a careful balancing act to survive.

Also approved, but it should be noted that Ravinia is extremely reliant on Europa Zentral, and is almost a proxy state. You don't have to 'balance' so much as to keep positive relations with EZ, and prepare for the possibility of a Soviet invasion.

Also, Ravinia isn't just Finland.

A while ago I posted an app f Ireland. I don't know if I was accepted or not but I was wondering such if the nations on the first post are actually taken and which aren't. Thank you.

Did you post an app? I can't seem to find it. The first page is largely correct, save the ACSU and Peru (I think.)

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Id like to know if the ACSU is taken or not yet. Because I think id rather be them than Ireland.

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

Can we remove Nyasaland from the list of states. No one should ever have been allowed to play as that in the first place.
In fact, can we ban playing as colonies. Apart from the Britain's Dominions none had any king of independent foreign policy so its stupid to have people claiming them.

[Alleniana]

Can we remove Nyasaland from the list of states. No one should ever have been allowed to play as that in the first place.
In fact, can we ban playing as colonies. Apart from the Britain's Dominions none had any king of independent foreign policy so its stupid to have people claiming them.

I agree. Why was Nyasaland allowed anyway? It would be like allowing someone to play as Japanese China.

[Altito Asmoro]

Right...

How are you today?

Umm... good? Why?...

Just asking.

Iron Curtain was RP where the conflicts are large between USSR and USA. We jumped from 1950 to 1955, then to the 60s. Instead of Israel, there was Jerusalem. Major wars mostly happened in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.

[Delsola]

What month is it IC? And are the USSR and Ukraine the only radical left nations?

[The Akasha Colony]

What month is it IC? And are the USSR and Ukraine the only radical left nations?

Mongolia is in the USSR's sphere of influence but hardly worth anything, so the USSR and Ukraine are indeed the only radical-left nations, although it's hard to call the ACSU a nation, really.

IC, AFAIK it's around August-September.

In response to your earlier question, EZ is certainly very wary of more demonstrations. It hasn't taken action yet but if things agitate any further, it very well may.

Can we remove Nyasaland from the list of states. No one should ever have been allowed to play as that in the first place.
In fact, can we ban playing as colonies. Apart from the Britain's Dominions none had any king of independent foreign policy so its stupid to have people claiming them.

Removed them. South Africa is still there, as it's a dominion.

[Lunas Legion]

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name:Notangians
Desired 1939 RP Nation:Mexico
Why do you want to be this nation?:I was toying around with one idea and I think 1939! fits here
perfectly. So its more a proposal, than app, but still...

(short list of references)
The divergence point here is summer of 1914, then Victoriano Huerta is forced in to exile after his short and bloody reign. Together with his close ally Pascual Orozco, Huerta began plotting his return. In reality, Huerta spend rest of his life in USA, attempting to get support from German embassy in and died in January 16, 1916. Orozco was killed August of 1915 in Texas, when he tried to cross the border.
Divergence is that instead of putting Huerta under surveillance, Wilson administration forced him to leave the country after the war began.
He went to Havana, as Cuba was nominally independent protectorate of USA, thus it was close to Mexico, but unreachable for his enemies and US didn't cared about him that much to continue persecution after Huerta was outside USA proper.
New president of Mexico-Carranza- disbanded Huerta's army (Federales) and Rurales (mounted police force, also largely loyal to Huerta), leaving exiles with no firm power base at home and Germans were reluctant to give support for lost cause.
But meantime Emiliano Zapata and Francisco Villa broke up with Constitucionalistas in order to push radical land reform. Initial success of Convencionistas lead to the panic among hacendados- rich land owners. To them regime of Diaz was "good old days" and Huertistas was closest thing to that left.

Then Huerta himself died in 1916, Orozco took over as the head of the faction. Hacendados were reluctant towards him, as during Huearta's presidency Orozco instituted some social reforms, but he managed to win them over by stating a fact that some reforms are inevitable and question only is who will led them and to what extent it will go.
Orozco managed to fix most of the things Huearta broke, like reestablishing alliance with Felix Diaz (who was fighting his own war in South Mexico) and other factions close to old regime. By the end of 1917 Orozco concentrated his attention towards clergy, as central government become increasingly anti-religious.
By the same time Orozco moved his headquarters to Bogota, out of direct influence of USA. Small amount of money, coming from Germans (Berlin was interested in keeping turmoil in the USA neighborhood), was all spent to propaganda rising religious sentiments against constitution of 1917.
Orozco's idea was to form conservative movement of the masses like French Vendeans, Italian Sanfedists and especially Spanish Carlists- from them Orozco stole slogan: "Dios, Patria, Fueros, Rey".
Mexico at the time was already tired of warlords fighting each other and idea of "God blessed regime" who will protect "small person" fell in to fertile ground. Combined with with rising tensions around issue of secularism Orozco's movement become noticeable in national scene.
General and Huertista Enrique Gorostieta secretly returned to Mexico in early 1918 and began to organize an army.
At this time all Orozco needed was a monarch. Head of the Imperial House of Mexico (grandson of Agustín I and adoptive son of Maximilian I ) Agustín de Iturbide lived in USA since 1890 and suffered from heavy mental breakdowns. Heir-apparent, daughter of Agustin's cousin Salvador were more promising. Salvador's family lived in Austrian Empire since 1867, but neither Maria de Itúrbide neither her younger sisters responded to the proposals.
War began in November of 1918. Federal forces tracked whereabouts of Gorostieta and surrounded his hideout in the church of the small town in Jalisco. In the fallowing gunfight two priest were killed and general escaped. All the sentiments, fulled by Orozco propaganda, broke out and Cristero War began. Veterans of Huearta army and Felix Diaz forces soon joined and took over western part of country.
Carranza's government was still continuing war with Villa and Zapata, divided by the conflict between liberals (led by Carranza) and radicals (led by Álvaro Obregón) and had no resources to put down one more mass uprising. Meanwhile Gorostieta bypassed regions under Villa and Zapata control and marched directly towards capital city. Orozco's propaganda machine worked at full captivity and caused desertions from weakened Constitucionalistas military. In February 17 Gorostieta and Diaz entered Mexico city and declared Provisional Regency in the name of still absent Emperor.

Two major forces took serious notice on this developments: USA and Germany. Seeing Orozco's achievements, Germans approached Regency proposing candidate from Habsburg dynasty in exchange for support in munitions and military advisers.
For Americans it was intolerable breach of Monroe doctrine and the response was military invasion of much larger scale than expedition against Villa.
Invasion backfired heavily:in this circumstances it was much easier for Orozco to accept German proposal, also he managed to sign truce with Villa and Zapata in order to repulse foreign invasion (a huge achievement for Huertista). American invasion lasted from June of 1918 till May of 1920. US forces occupied most of the Northern Mexico but Mexicans launched guerrilla campaign and war become dead-end conflict to costly to continue for bout sides. Peace eventually was signed: USA recognized Third Mexican Empire and Mexico obligated to never enter in to any agreement or pact targeted against United States.
In the end of May, new emperor Joseph Ferdinand arrived in Mexico and formally took over.

Nonetheless, conflict between Orozco and Convencionistas (Villa and Zapata) remained unresolved. Villa's forces, however, were heavily diminished by the war and remains of his army were more a nuisance than real threat. Zapata still held a sizable force and Orozco decided to enter in alliance with him. Hacendados were outraged, but at this point Orozco did not need them anymore.
New government was eventually formed and new constitution adopted in early 1921.
Mexico is now formally constitutional monarchy and de facto dictatorship led by no other than Orozco. Land reform was carried out- while not so radically as Zapata envisioned, but two major points of his program were fulfilled: land stolen under Diaz returned and one third of hacenda lands distributed.
Economic growth and expansion of industry was strongly curbed by crisis of 1929-1933, but by now country stands back on its feat.
Orozco and his clique controls political life, with the help of secret police, but regime is now somewhat more tolerant than in the days of Diaz.
Still, two decades after civil war, new tensions rising: unemployment remains high in urban centers and radical socialist organizations are growing. Voices, demanding larger space between state and church becomes more louder.
Relations with United States remains cold and based on mistrust, while Orozco tries to keep Europan influence at bay.

It also gives an explanation why USA did not reacted on German intervention in South America in 1919.

Approved, but only if you remove the war with the United States from your backstory. The US being involved in a war in the Western Hemisphere would change too much of its character. Isolationism wouldn't make sense.

APP
NS Nation Name: Lunas Legion
Desired 1939 RP Nation: Ravina
RP Sample:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=232532
Why do you want to be this nation?: Because Finland (or Ravina) is in a very intresting starting position, balanced between two nations much more powerful than it, and it must perform a careful balancing act to survive.

Also approved, but it should be noted that Ravinia is extremely reliant on Europa Zentral, and is almost a proxy state. You don't have to 'balance' so much as to keep positive relations with EZ, and prepare for the possibility of a Soviet invasion.

Also, Ravinia isn't just Finland.

A while ago I posted an app f Ireland. I don't know if I was accepted or not but I was wondering such if the nations on the first post are actually taken and which aren't. Thank you.

Did you post an app? I can't seem to find it. The first page is largely correct, save the ACSU and Peru (I think.)

Ravina has the Baltic States as well, I just saw the map after I posted the App.

[Alleniana]

Approved, but only if you remove the war with the United States from your backstory. The US being involved in a war in the Western Hemisphere would change too much of its character. Isolationism wouldn't make sense.



Also approved, but it should be noted that Ravinia is extremely reliant on Europa Zentral, and is almost a proxy state. You don't have to 'balance' so much as to keep positive relations with EZ, and prepare for the possibility of a Soviet invasion.

Also, Ravinia isn't just Finland.



Did you post an app? I can't seem to find it. The first page is largely correct, save the ACSU and Peru (I think.)

Ravina has the Baltic States as well, I just saw the map after I posted the App.

Is Ravinia just Baltics and Finland?

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

Finland, the Baltics, and Byelorussia. Pretty much the most under-developed parts of Europe.

[Alleniana]

Finland, the Baltics, and Byelorussia. Pretty much the most under-developed parts of Europe.

I was gonna say that they would have little to no power, and Belarus didn't help much. Do they have a player (active)?

[The Akasha Colony]

Finland, the Baltics, and Byelorussia. Pretty much the most under-developed parts of Europe.

I was gonna say that they would have little to no power, and Belarus didn't help much. Do they have a player (active)?

They're not really supposed to have power. They're a buffer and tripwire to insulate EZ from the USSR itself. That's why EZ has propped them up. Of course, Ravinia is full of White Russian exiles who vehemently hate the Soviet Union, so they will do everything in their power to fight if it invades.

[Alleniana]

I was gonna say that they would have little to no power, and Belarus didn't help much. Do they have a player (active)?

They're not really supposed to have power. They're a buffer and tripwire to insulate EZ from the USSR itself. That's why EZ has propped them up. Of course, Ravinia is full of White Russian exiles who vehemently hate the Soviet Union, so they will do everything in their power to fight if it invades.

Yeah, it would make them quite unappealing to anyone who didn't want to be forced to use more underhanded tactics to get things done. It also reminds me of something I did in another RP where I broke the USSR into shards and placed about 10 buffer states between it and my allies.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Allright, I'm going on a nice vacation to the Americas, so I won't be able to post for two weeks. Sorry, for that inactivity.

[Delsola]

Does Japan still play?

[Altito Asmoro]

Does Japan still play?

it is been a month after the last post from Keznov

[Fuurturr]

NS Nation Name: Fuurturr
Desired 1939 RP Nation: Argentine Republic (Argentina)
Why do you want to be this nation?: As a major military power in South America, the Argentines have the potential to tip the balance of power vastly on the continent.

Background: Following the end of the Great War, Argentina remained for over a decade under the rule of the Radical Civic Union, a radical liberal party largely responsible for the enacting of universal male suffrage in Argentina. The standard of living and income of the average citizen increased throughout the decade, however the 1920s also saw the rise of a new generation of leftists as anarchism became popular due to the mass arrival of European deportees and migrants, becoming so audacious as to make an attempt on the life of US President Hoover during his visit to Argentina in 1928. On the 24th of December, 1929, President Hipólito Yrigoyen is assassinated by an anarchist. In the ensuing chaos, Argentine generals launched a coup, lead by fascist-influenced José Félix Uriburu and assisted by outraged far right political parties such as the Argentine Patriotic League. Securing the support of the extreme political factions and taking advantage of his rivals' unpreparedness for the coup, Uriburu's later fascist reforms go unchallenged by his more conservative colleagues.

Shortly after gaining power, the Uriburu regime launched a brutal campaign against anarchists and other elements of the left wing, executing over 2,000 people including influential anarchist leader Severino Di Giovanni. When civil order had been restored to Argentina, a number of corporatist reforms were introduced to the Argentine constitution, which went unchallenged by the conservative faction, wary of Uriburu's popularity amongst the people. However, the new corporatist constitution would prove to be his legacy, as the Presdent died of stomach cancer in April 1932.

His successor would be Juan Bautista Molina, ultranationalist next-in-line to the Argentine Civic Legion, a paramilitary organization turned political party founded by President Uriburu. Over the last seven years, Molina has tightened his grip on Argentine politics, becoming de facto dictator for life and has continued the corporatism embraced by Uriburu. In response to the rapid growth in Gran Colombian influence far to the North, Molina has attempted a scheme of industrialization mirrored by militarization. Now, the insular fascist state is looking outwards for the first time in a long time, taking particular interest in the Brazilian-Colombian rivalry to the North and the recent rise of fascist forces in France, who might provide a support for the fledgling power.



So, the POD is that the attempt on President Yrigoyen's life is successful, and as a result Uriburu isn't replaced following his coup by conservative elements leading to the 'Infamous Decade' of unsuccessful policies by conservative oligarchs.