1939! The World of Tomorrow! [PT/ALT-HIST/OOC/OPEN]

[Alleniana]

Alright, got one thing to do before posting. If there is anything that I specifically should know about before posting, please tell me now.

Are you actually going to do anything with me, or was the letter just more firewood?

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

Alright, got one thing to do before posting. If there is anything that I specifically should know about before posting, please tell me now.

Are you actually going to do anything with me, or was the letter just more firewood?

How much can he really do for you? Shipping arms to you will likely just get his ships sunk by the Japanese. Even if he got them to China they'd have to be sent over Nationalist or Japanese territory. Furthermore, Hubei is about to become a warzone, in which you are being encircled.

[Alleniana]

Are you actually going to do anything with me, or was the letter just more firewood?

How much can he really do for you? Shipping arms to you will likely just get his ships sunk by the Japanese. Even if he got them to China they'd have to be sent over Nationalist or Japanese territory. Furthermore, Hubei is about to become a warzone, in which you are being encircled.

I dunno... even if the arms ships do get sunk, that's one less Japanese ship free. I dunno. Maybe they can just declare support.

[The Akasha Colony]

How much can he really do for you? Shipping arms to you will likely just get his ships sunk by the Japanese. Even if he got them to China they'd have to be sent over Nationalist or Japanese territory. Furthermore, Hubei is about to become a warzone, in which you are being encircled.

I dunno... even if the arms ships do get sunk, that's one less Japanese ship free. I dunno. Maybe they can just declare support.

As it stands the Chinese navy is hardly tying up a significant part of the Japanese fleet anyway.

[Alleniana]

I dunno... even if the arms ships do get sunk, that's one less Japanese ship free. I dunno. Maybe they can just declare support.

As it stands the Chinese navy is hardly tying up a significant part of the Japanese fleet anyway.

True... just about anything Chinese is a target for them.

[Post War America]

As it stands the Chinese navy is hardly tying up a significant part of the Japanese fleet anyway.

True... just about anything Chinese is a target for them.

Hence my conundrum.

[Notangians]

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name:Notangians
Desired 1939 RP Nation:Mexico
Why do you want to be this nation?:I was toying around with one idea and I think 1939! fits here
perfectly. So its more a proposal, than app, but still...

(short list of references)
The divergence point here is summer of 1914, then Victoriano Huerta is forced in to exile after his short and bloody reign. Together with his close ally Pascual Orozco, Huerta began plotting his return. In reality, Huerta spend rest of his life in USA, attempting to get support from German embassy in and died in January 16, 1916. Orozco was killed August of 1915 in Texas, when he tried to cross the border.
Divergence is that instead of putting Huerta under surveillance, Wilson administration forced him to leave the country after the war began.
He went to Havana, as Cuba was nominally independent protectorate of USA, thus it was close to Mexico, but unreachable for his enemies and US didn't cared about him that much to continue persecution after Huerta was outside USA proper.
New president of Mexico-Carranza- disbanded Huerta's army (Federales) and Rurales (mounted police force, also largely loyal to Huerta), leaving exiles with no firm power base at home and Germans were reluctant to give support for lost cause.
But meantime Emiliano Zapata and Francisco Villa broke up with Constitucionalistas in order to push radical land reform. Initial success of Convencionistas lead to the panic among hacendados- rich land owners. To them regime of Diaz was "good old days" and Huertistas was closest thing to that left.

Then Huerta himself died in 1916, Orozco took over as the head of the faction. Hacendados were reluctant towards him, as during Huearta's presidency Orozco instituted some social reforms, but he managed to win them over by stating a fact that some reforms are inevitable and question only is who will led them and to what extent it will go.
Orozco managed to fix most of the things Huearta broke, like reestablishing alliance with Felix Diaz (who was fighting his own war in South Mexico) and other factions close to old regime. By the end of 1917 Orozco concentrated his attention towards clergy, as central government become increasingly anti-religious.
By the same time Orozco moved his headquarters to Bogota, out of direct influence of USA. Small amount of money, coming from Germans (Berlin was interested in keeping turmoil in the USA neighborhood), was all spent to propaganda rising religious sentiments against constitution of 1917.
Orozco's idea was to form conservative movement of the masses like French Vendeans, Italian Sanfedists and especially Spanish Carlists- from them Orozco stole slogan: "Dios, Patria, Fueros, Rey".
Mexico at the time was already tired of warlords fighting each other and idea of "God blessed regime" who will protect "small person" fell in to fertile ground. Combined with with rising tensions around issue of secularism Orozco's movement become noticeable in national scene.
General and Huertista Enrique Gorostieta secretly returned to Mexico in early 1918 and began to organize an army.
At this time all Orozco needed was a monarch. Head of the Imperial House of Mexico (grandson of Agustín I and adoptive son of Maximilian I ) Agustín de Iturbide lived in USA since 1890 and suffered from heavy mental breakdowns. Heir-apparent, daughter of Agustin's cousin Salvador were more promising. Salvador's family lived in Austrian Empire since 1867, but neither Maria de Itúrbide neither her younger sisters responded to the proposals.
War began in November of 1918. Federal forces tracked whereabouts of Gorostieta and surrounded his hideout in the church of the small town in Jalisco. In the fallowing gunfight two priest were killed and general escaped. All the sentiments, fulled by Orozco propaganda, broke out and Cristero War began. Veterans of Huearta army and Felix Diaz forces soon joined and took over western part of country.
Carranza's government was still continuing war with Villa and Zapata, divided by the conflict between liberals (led by Carranza) and radicals (led by Álvaro Obregón) and had no resources to put down one more mass uprising. Meanwhile Gorostieta bypassed regions under Villa and Zapata control and marched directly towards capital city. Orozco's propaganda machine worked at full captivity and caused desertions from weakened Constitucionalistas military. In February 17 Gorostieta and Diaz entered Mexico city and declared Provisional Regency in the name of still absent Emperor.

Two major forces took serious notice on this developments: USA and Germany. Seeing Orozco's achievements, Germans approached Regency proposing candidate from Habsburg dynasty in exchange for support in munitions and military advisers.
For Americans it was intolerable breach of Monroe doctrine and the response was military invasion of much larger scale than expedition against Villa.
Invasion backfired heavily:in this circumstances it was much easier for Orozco to accept German proposal, also he managed to sign truce with Villa and Zapata in order to repulse foreign invasion (a huge achievement for Huertista). American invasion lasted from June of 1918 till May of 1920. US forces occupied most of the Northern Mexico but Mexicans launched guerrilla campaign and war become dead-end conflict to costly to continue for bout sides. Peace eventually was signed: USA recognized Third Mexican Empire and Mexico obligated to never enter in to any agreement or pact targeted against United States.
In the end of May, new emperor Joseph Ferdinand arrived in Mexico and formally took over.

Nonetheless, conflict between Orozco and Convencionistas (Villa and Zapata) remained unresolved. Villa's forces, however, were heavily diminished by the war and remains of his army were more a nuisance than real threat. Zapata still held a sizable force and Orozco decided to enter in alliance with him. Hacendados were outraged, but at this point Orozco did not need them anymore.
New government was eventually formed and new constitution adopted in early 1921.
Mexico is now formally constitutional monarchy and de facto dictatorship led by no other than Orozco. Land reform was carried out- while not so radically as Zapata envisioned, but two major points of his program were fulfilled: land stolen under Diaz returned and one third of hacenda lands distributed.
Economic growth and expansion of industry was strongly curbed by crisis of 1929-1933, but by now country stands back on its feat.
Orozco and his clique controls political life, with the help of secret police, but regime is now somewhat more tolerant than in the days of Diaz.
Still, two decades after civil war, new tensions rising: unemployment remains high in urban centers and radical socialist organizations are growing. Voices, demanding larger space between state and church becomes more louder.
Relations with United States remains cold and based on mistrust, while Orozco tries to keep Europan influence at bay.

It also gives an explanation why USA did not reacted on German intervention in South America in 1919.

[Alleniana]

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name:Notangians
Desired 1939 RP Nation:Mexico
Why do you want to be this nation?:I was toying around with one idea and I think 1939! fits here
perfectly. So its more a proposal, than app, but still...

(short list of references)
The divergence point here is summer of 1914, then Victoriano Huerta is forced in to exile after his short and bloody reign. Together with his close ally Pascual Orozco, Huerta began plotting his return. In reality, Huerta spend rest of his life in USA, attempting to get support from German embassy in and died in January 16, 1916. Orozco was killed August of 1915 in Texas, when he tried to cross the border.
Divergence is that instead of putting Huerta under surveillance, Wilson administration forced him to leave the country after the war began.
He went to Havana, as Cuba was nominally independent protectorate of USA, thus it was close to Mexico, but unreachable for his enemies and US didn't cared about him that much to continue persecution after Huerta was outside USA proper.
New president of Mexico-Carranza- disbanded Huerta's army (Federales) and Rurales (mounted police force, also largely loyal to Huerta), leaving exiles with no firm power base at home and Germans were reluctant to give support for lost cause.
But meantime Emiliano Zapata and Francisco Villa broke up with Constitucionalistas in order to push radical land reform. Initial success of Convencionistas lead to the panic among hacendados- rich land owners. To them regime of Diaz was "good old days" and Huertistas was closest thing to that left.

Then Huerta himself died in 1916, Orozco took over as the head of the faction. Hacendados were reluctant towards him, as during Huearta's presidency Orozco instituted some social reforms, but he managed to win them over by stating a fact that some reforms are inevitable and question only is who will led them and to what extent it will go.
Orozco managed to fix most of the things Huearta broke, like reestablishing alliance with Felix Diaz (who was fighting his own war in South Mexico) and other factions close to old regime. By the end of 1917 Orozco concentrated his attention towards clergy, as central government become increasingly anti-religious.
By the same time Orozco moved his headquarters to Bogota, out of direct influence of USA. Small amount of money, coming from Germans (Berlin was interested in keeping turmoil in the USA neighborhood), was all spent to propaganda rising religious sentiments against constitution of 1917.
Orozco's idea was to form conservative movement of the masses like French Vendeans, Italian Sanfedists and especially Spanish Carlists- from them Orozco stole slogan: "Dios, Patria, Fueros, Rey".
Mexico at the time was already tired of warlords fighting each other and idea of "God blessed regime" who will protect "small person" fell in to fertile ground. Combined with with rising tensions around issue of secularism Orozco's movement become noticeable in national scene.
General and Huertista Enrique Gorostieta secretly returned to Mexico in early 1918 and began to organize an army.
At this time all Orozco needed was a monarch. Head of the Imperial House of Mexico (grandson of Agustín I and adoptive son of Maximilian I ) Agustín de Iturbide lived in USA since 1890 and suffered from heavy mental breakdowns. Heir-apparent, daughter of Agustin's cousin Salvador were more promising. Salvador's family lived in Austrian Empire since 1867, but neither Maria de Itúrbide neither her younger sisters responded to the proposals.
War began in November of 1918. Federal forces tracked whereabouts of Gorostieta and surrounded his hideout in the church of the small town in Jalisco. In the fallowing gunfight two priest were killed and general escaped. All the sentiments, fulled by Orozco propaganda, broke out and Cristero War began. Veterans of Huearta army and Felix Diaz forces soon joined and took over western part of country.
Carranza's government was still continuing war with Villa and Zapata, divided by the conflict between liberals (led by Carranza) and radicals (led by Álvaro Obregón) and had no resources to put down one more mass uprising. Meanwhile Gorostieta bypassed regions under Villa and Zapata control and marched directly towards capital city. Orozco's propaganda machine worked at full captivity and caused desertions from weakened Constitucionalistas military. In February 17 Gorostieta and Diaz entered Mexico city and declared Provisional Regency in the name of still absent Emperor.

Two major forces took serious notice on this developments: USA and Germany. Seeing Orozco's achievements, Germans approached Regency proposing candidate from Habsburg dynasty in exchange for support in munitions and military advisers.
For Americans it was intolerable breach of Monroe doctrine and the response was military invasion of much larger scale than expedition against Villa.
Invasion backfired heavily:in this circumstances it was much easier for Orozco to accept German proposal, also he managed to sign truce with Villa and Zapata in order to repulse foreign invasion (a huge achievement for Huertista). American invasion lasted from June of 1918 till May of 1920. US forces occupied most of the Northern Mexico but Mexicans launched guerrilla campaign and war become dead-end conflict to costly to continue for bout sides. Peace eventually was signed: USA recognized Third Mexican Empire and Mexico obligated to never enter in to any agreement or pact targeted against United States.
In the end of May, new emperor Joseph Ferdinand arrived in Mexico and formally took over.

Nonetheless, conflict between Orozco and Convencionistas (Villa and Zapata) remained unresolved. Villa's forces, however, were heavily diminished by the war and remains of his army were more a nuisance than real threat. Zapata still held a sizable force and Orozco decided to enter in alliance with him. Hacendados were outraged, but at this point Orozco did not need them anymore.
New government was eventually formed and new constitution adopted in early 1921.
Mexico is now formally constitutional monarchy and de facto dictatorship led by no other than Orozco. Land reform was carried out- while not so radically as Zapata envisioned, but two major points of his program were fulfilled: land stolen under Diaz returned and one third of hacenda lands distributed.
Economic growth and expansion of industry was strongly curbed by crisis of 1929-1933, but by now country stands back on its feat.
Orozco and his clique controls political life, with the help of secret police, but regime is now somewhat more tolerant than in the days of Diaz.
Still, two decades after civil war, new tensions rising: unemployment remains high in urban centers and radical socialist organizations are growing. Voices, demanding larger space between state and church becomes more louder.
Relations with United States remains cold and based on mistrust, while Orozco tries to keep Europan influence at bay.

It also gives an explanation why USA did not reacted on German intervention in South America in 1919.

That sound cool

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Hey Akasha Colony???? Is the UK open??? Is the guy who played it still here?

[Altito Asmoro]

Hey Akasha Colony???? Is the UK open??? Is the guy who played it still here?

He will returns in 2 weeks.

[Redemption-America]

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name:Notangians
Desired 1939 RP Nation:Mexico
Why do you want to be this nation?:I was toying around with one idea and I think 1939! fits here
perfectly. So its more a proposal, than app, but still...

(short list of references)
The divergence point here is summer of 1914, then Victoriano Huerta is forced in to exile after his short and bloody reign. Together with his close ally Pascual Orozco, Huerta began plotting his return. In reality, Huerta spend rest of his life in USA, attempting to get support from German embassy in and died in January 16, 1916. Orozco was killed August of 1915 in Texas, when he tried to cross the border.
Divergence is that instead of putting Huerta under surveillance, Wilson administration forced him to leave the country after the war began.
He went to Havana, as Cuba was nominally independent protectorate of USA, thus it was close to Mexico, but unreachable for his enemies and US didn't cared about him that much to continue persecution after Huerta was outside USA proper.
New president of Mexico-Carranza- disbanded Huerta's army (Federales) and Rurales (mounted police force, also largely loyal to Huerta), leaving exiles with no firm power base at home and Germans were reluctant to give support for lost cause.
But meantime Emiliano Zapata and Francisco Villa broke up with Constitucionalistas in order to push radical land reform. Initial success of Convencionistas lead to the panic among hacendados- rich land owners. To them regime of Diaz was "good old days" and Huertistas was closest thing to that left.

Then Huerta himself died in 1916, Orozco took over as the head of the faction. Hacendados were reluctant towards him, as during Huearta's presidency Orozco instituted some social reforms, but he managed to win them over by stating a fact that some reforms are inevitable and question only is who will led them and to what extent it will go.
Orozco managed to fix most of the things Huearta broke, like reestablishing alliance with Felix Diaz (who was fighting his own war in South Mexico) and other factions close to old regime. By the end of 1917 Orozco concentrated his attention towards clergy, as central government become increasingly anti-religious.
By the same time Orozco moved his headquarters to Bogota, out of direct influence of USA. Small amount of money, coming from Germans (Berlin was interested in keeping turmoil in the USA neighborhood), was all spent to propaganda rising religious sentiments against constitution of 1917.
Orozco's idea was to form conservative movement of the masses like French Vendeans, Italian Sanfedists and especially Spanish Carlists- from them Orozco stole slogan: "Dios, Patria, Fueros, Rey".
Mexico at the time was already tired of warlords fighting each other and idea of "God blessed regime" who will protect "small person" fell in to fertile ground. Combined with with rising tensions around issue of secularism Orozco's movement become noticeable in national scene.
General and Huertista Enrique Gorostieta secretly returned to Mexico in early 1918 and began to organize an army.
At this time all Orozco needed was a monarch. Head of the Imperial House of Mexico (grandson of Agustín I and adoptive son of Maximilian I ) Agustín de Iturbide lived in USA since 1890 and suffered from heavy mental breakdowns. Heir-apparent, daughter of Agustin's cousin Salvador were more promising. Salvador's family lived in Austrian Empire since 1867, but neither Maria de Itúrbide neither her younger sisters responded to the proposals.
War began in November of 1918. Federal forces tracked whereabouts of Gorostieta and surrounded his hideout in the church of the small town in Jalisco. In the fallowing gunfight two priest were killed and general escaped. All the sentiments, fulled by Orozco propaganda, broke out and Cristero War began. Veterans of Huearta army and Felix Diaz forces soon joined and took over western part of country.
Carranza's government was still continuing war with Villa and Zapata, divided by the conflict between liberals (led by Carranza) and radicals (led by Álvaro Obregón) and had no resources to put down one more mass uprising. Meanwhile Gorostieta bypassed regions under Villa and Zapata control and marched directly towards capital city. Orozco's propaganda machine worked at full captivity and caused desertions from weakened Constitucionalistas military. In February 17 Gorostieta and Diaz entered Mexico city and declared Provisional Regency in the name of still absent Emperor.

Two major forces took serious notice on this developments: USA and Germany. Seeing Orozco's achievements, Germans approached Regency proposing candidate from Habsburg dynasty in exchange for support in munitions and military advisers.
For Americans it was intolerable breach of Monroe doctrine and the response was military invasion of much larger scale than expedition against Villa.
Invasion backfired heavily:in this circumstances it was much easier for Orozco to accept German proposal, also he managed to sign truce with Villa and Zapata in order to repulse foreign invasion (a huge achievement for Huertista). American invasion lasted from June of 1918 till May of 1920. US forces occupied most of the Northern Mexico but Mexicans launched guerrilla campaign and war become dead-end conflict to costly to continue for bout sides. Peace eventually was signed: USA recognized Third Mexican Empire and Mexico obligated to never enter in to any agreement or pact targeted against United States.
In the end of May, new emperor Joseph Ferdinand arrived in Mexico and formally took over.

Nonetheless, conflict between Orozco and Convencionistas (Villa and Zapata) remained unresolved. Villa's forces, however, were heavily diminished by the war and remains of his army were more a nuisance than real threat. Zapata still held a sizable force and Orozco decided to enter in alliance with him. Hacendados were outraged, but at this point Orozco did not need them anymore.
New government was eventually formed and new constitution adopted in early 1921.
Mexico is now formally constitutional monarchy and de facto dictatorship led by no other than Orozco. Land reform was carried out- while not so radically as Zapata envisioned, but two major points of his program were fulfilled: land stolen under Diaz returned and one third of hacenda lands distributed.
Economic growth and expansion of industry was strongly curbed by crisis of 1929-1933, but by now country stands back on its feat.
Orozco and his clique controls political life, with the help of secret police, but regime is now somewhat more tolerant than in the days of Diaz.
Still, two decades after civil war, new tensions rising: unemployment remains high in urban centers and radical socialist organizations are growing. Voices, demanding larger space between state and church becomes more louder.
Relations with United States remains cold and based on mistrust, while Orozco tries to keep Europan influence at bay.

It also gives an explanation why USA did not reacted on German intervention in South America in 1919.

Just so you are aware, the mods haven't forgotten about you. Your application is being discussed, should have an answer soon.

[Alleniana]

Isn't it interesting how in nearly every RP EZ would be godmod?

[Altito Asmoro]

Isn't it interesting how in nearly every RP EZ would be godmod?

Why you say so?

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

Had Germany and Austro-Hungary won the Great War and united the resulting state would be the dominant world power. There is no doubt of that. I will admit that EZ controls far more territory than is realistic. The reason I wrote it that way is for rp simplicity. It would be stupid to have a whole bunch of people playing as tiny European states that wouldn't be able to do anything to influence international affairs. The Caliphate, Gran Colombia, and the Scandinavian Union are also implausible.

[Delsola]

I have to agree. That's why I'm trying to take them down a peg, by voicing an unhappy and powerful subject people.

Also, I think Gran Colombia could be within the realms of possibility when you consider South America's often forgotten history of rivalry and warfare. If it weren't for the Monroe Doctrine I'm sure the continent would have turned out quite differently. The Ottomans however wouldn't have the desire to form the Caliphate. They'd probably have taken Libya and Egypt at most

[Alleniana]

Had Germany and Austro-Hungary won the Great War and united the resulting state would be the dominant world power. There is no doubt of that. I will admit that EZ controls far more territory than is realistic. The reason I wrote it that way is for rp simplicity. It would be stupid to have a whole bunch of people playing as tiny European states that wouldn't be able to do anything to influence international affairs. The Caliphate, Gran Colombia, and the Scandinavian Union are also implausible.

I doubt Germany and Austria would have even united. Austria-Hungary would have massive problems after such a grueling war and such a rebellion and dissatisfaction-prone populace. I was just pointing it out anyway. It's interesting to compare the standards of RPs.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Had Germany and Austro-Hungary won the Great War and united the resulting state would be the dominant world power. There is no doubt of that. I will admit that EZ controls far more territory than is realistic. The reason I wrote it that way is for rp simplicity. It would be stupid to have a whole bunch of people playing as tiny European states that wouldn't be able to do anything to influence international affairs. The Caliphate, Gran Colombia, and the Scandinavian Union are also implausible.

I doubt Germany and Austria would have even united. Austria-Hungary would have massive problems after such a grueling war and such a rebellion and dissatisfaction-prone populace. I was just pointing it out anyway. It's interesting to compare the standards of RPs.

Well, economic problems can lead to unification. The EU succeeded in transending national borders, and even adopted a single currency. The Germans and Austrians are both Germans. During economic hardship, the unification into a Greater Germany would have led to better ecnonomic conditions, as German products from the Ruhr Area could be shipped to Austria, making them rich, while the harbour of Triest makes a great window to the Orient, which was increasing in power. In real life, Austria lacked the factories to produce and Germany lacked the harbours to export, relying on the Dutch to export their goods. The wish for a single Germany probably excisted, because our good friend AH succeeded in unifying the two countries in 1936, despite heavy resistance. If Germany had won the war, they would have been the major power of Europe. And, like the British mandated all German colonies, the Germans could expand their land unhindered. The war of 1919 was, in the RP universe, probably a reminder of German strength, and it succeeded. believe me, German unification isn't as unlikely as it looks.

The caliphate is extremely unlikely, though.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Can The Caliphate control all of the Middle East?

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

Had Germany and Austro-Hungary won the Great War and united the resulting state would be the dominant world power. There is no doubt of that. I will admit that EZ controls far more territory than is realistic. The reason I wrote it that way is for rp simplicity. It would be stupid to have a whole bunch of people playing as tiny European states that wouldn't be able to do anything to influence international affairs. The Caliphate, Gran Colombia, and the Scandinavian Union are also implausible.

I doubt Germany and Austria would have even united. Austria-Hungary would have massive problems after such a grueling war and such a rebellion and dissatisfaction-prone populace. I was just pointing it out anyway. It's interesting to compare the standards of RPs.

If anything the war increased the commitment of both Austrians and Hungarians to maintain their relationship. Many Hungarians wished for Habsburg rule to continue even after it was clear they would completely split from Austria. In fact, there was more enthusiasm for the Habsburgs among the Hungarians than the Austrians. As I wrote in the backstory, A-H and Germany didn't unite overnight. Unified military command, and later a Zollverein made the path to outright unification the logical next step under a complex power sharing agreement in which governance remains heavily decentralized (apart from military command). Communist rebellions and the Romanian invasion of Hungary only increased the commitment of the elites for unification.

If the Central Powers had won WWI, there is no way the Germans would have let the A-H empire collapse into a chaotic void, by some means or another they would have used their armies to stabilize central Europe.

[Redemption-America]

Can The Caliphate control all of the Middle East?

Can? I suppose. Will, doubtfully, unless EZ comes in and majorly overhauls their military. The British, French, and the Soviets all have vested interest in the Caliphate not taking over the entire Middle East.

[The Akasha Colony]

Can The Caliphate control all of the Middle East?

It would not be terribly difficult at this point, although it depends what you mean by 'control.' The Caliphate easily has enough manpower from loyalist regions to suppress the less loyal ones, who by and large can't do much to resist. They also have no problem using terror tactics and are very adept and light infantry warfare and skirmishing. The low population density and of course the lack of internet/cell phones/radios makes coordination difficult among would-be rebels, since the army controls most of the useful transport in the outlying provinces. There are regions though where the Caliph's authority doesn't mean much and people go about their lives depending solely on local authorities; it isn't a firm nation-state like Western Europe.

Isn't it interesting how in nearly every RP EZ would be godmod?

People seem to overestimate its abilities. It is certainly powerful, but has many enemies, and is exceeded by its enemies in many regards. The United States still possesses a larger and more powerful economy, which in turn of course gives it great military potential. Put together and with their empires (both of which are larger than EZ's), Britain and France can challenge Europa on all fronts, and individually they can challenge it on one or two (the French with their army, the British with their navy, and together with their air force). The USSR has large manpower reserves and a huge territory in which to fight a war of attrition, which EZ with its compact territory and many borders cannot afford.

On top of that, there are internal issues. The political battle between the liberals and the conservatives, the battle over centralization vs. decentralization, the fight over foreign policy, an increasingly inefficient aristocratic social structure, old rivalries between member states, and of course the matter of language.

EZ looks powerful here because it controls lots of people and much of the world's industry (although not even close to the majority of it). But in another P2TM RP, that wouldn't matter much, since people always tend to claim their nations are fully developed anyway. You have entire worlds of nothing but developed nations; no developing third-world nations that usually make up most of the globe at any given time. EZ thus looks big instead because in this RP we do have minor nations, and they do make up most of the world.

[Alleniana]

Can The Caliphate control all of the Middle East?

It would not be terribly difficult at this point, although it depends what you mean by 'control.' The Caliphate easily has enough manpower from loyalist regions to suppress the less loyal ones, who by and large can't do much to resist. They also have no problem using terror tactics and are very adept and light infantry warfare and skirmishing. The low population density and of course the lack of internet/cell phones/radios makes coordination difficult among would-be rebels, since the army controls most of the useful transport in the outlying provinces. There are regions though where the Caliph's authority doesn't mean much and people go about their lives depending solely on local authorities; it isn't a firm nation-state like Western Europe.

Isn't it interesting how in nearly every RP EZ would be godmod?

People seem to overestimate its abilities. It is certainly powerful, but has many enemies, and is exceeded by its enemies in many regards. The United States still possesses a larger and more powerful economy, which in turn of course gives it great military potential. Put together and with their empires (both of which are larger than EZ's), Britain and France can challenge Europa on all fronts, and individually they can challenge it on one or two (the French with their army, the British with their navy, and together with their air force). The USSR has large manpower reserves and a huge territory in which to fight a war of attrition, which EZ with its compact territory and many borders cannot afford.

On top of that, there are internal issues. The political battle between the liberals and the conservatives, the battle over centralization vs. decentralization, the fight over foreign policy, an increasingly inefficient aristocratic social structure, old rivalries between member states, and of course the matter of language.

EZ looks powerful here because it controls lots of people and much of the world's industry (although not even close to the majority of it). But in another P2TM RP, that wouldn't matter much, since people always tend to claim their nations are fully developed anyway. You have entire worlds of nothing but developed nations; no developing third-world nations that usually make up most of the globe at any given time. EZ thus looks big instead because in this RP we do have minor nations, and they do make up most of the world.

True...
I RP a nation called the Union of Europe in an AH RP, and it basically controls France, Low Countries Germany, the Alps, and all of the German Empire and AUstro-Hungarian Empire's land in Europe in WWI plus Poland and Lithuania. Although I RP a lot of dissent, confusion and such, a lot of people still insist that I am too powerful. THe OP appears to be neutral. It's pretty annoying that a united China which might well have equaled all Europe would be considered normal. I saw a parallel beteen the UoE and EZ.

[Delsola]

I agree that people over develop nations. In the Iron Curtain, I worked hard to secure trade and internal development for South Africa, implementing long-term economic and military development plans that ensured a steady increase in geopolitical clout and economic pull. Meanwhile, China thinks it has a 2012 economy in 1955, and never even mentions the Great Leap Forward or anything of the sort.

But I like this group. It seems fairly self-aware, which is the key to a well developed RP.

Meanwhile, Akasha, does the government have a stance on protests in Budapest?

[Altito Asmoro]

I agree that people over develop nations. In the Iron Curtain, I worked hard to secure trade and internal development for South Africa, implementing long-term economic and military development plans that ensured a steady increase in geopolitical clout and economic pull. Meanwhile, China thinks it has a 2012 economy in 1955, and never even mentions the Great Leap Forward or anything of the sort.

But I like this group. It seems fairly self-aware, which is the key to a well developed RP.

Meanwhile, Akasha, does the government have a stance on protests in Budapest?

Iron Curtain is different. In there, minor nations like Indonesia and Vietnam could try to be major, while in here, it will be very hard.

[Alleniana]

I agree that people over develop nations. In the Iron Curtain, I worked hard to secure trade and internal development for South Africa, implementing long-term economic and military development plans that ensured a steady increase in geopolitical clout and economic pull. Meanwhile, China thinks it has a 2012 economy in 1955, and never even mentions the Great Leap Forward or anything of the sort.

But I like this group. It seems fairly self-aware, which is the key to a well developed RP.

Meanwhile, Akasha, does the government have a stance on protests in Budapest?

Iron Curtain is different. In there, minor nations like Indonesia and Vietnam could try to be major, while in here, it will be very hard.

Very true. It's one of the reasons I usually play RPs from before the age of nukes and automatic weapons and such. It's a lot easier to develop, and generally get things done.