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by The Akasha Colony » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:37 pm
Keznov wrote:I'm extremely hurt by EZ aiding dirty Chinese factions...
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:38 pm
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:54 pm
by The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:53 pm
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:56 pm
The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:Japan and France would make very good buds, Anti-Comintern Pact for the win. Unlike most of the other Western Powers, France's interests don't really clash with Japan's. And France could help Japan acquire certain oil-rich islands...
by The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:59 pm
Alleniana wrote:The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:Japan and France would make very good buds, Anti-Comintern Pact for the win. Unlike most of the other Western Powers, France's interests don't really clash with Japan's. And France could help Japan acquire certain oil-rich islands...
France will get pwned by Zentral though and having an ally die on you during a war is bad.
by Redemption-America » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:00 pm
The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:Japan and France would make very good buds, Anti-Comintern Pact for the win. Unlike most of the other Western Powers, France's interests don't really clash with Japan's. And France could help Japan acquire certain oil-rich islands...
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:01 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:29 pm
by The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:01 pm
by Altito Asmoro » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:38 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:28 pm
Altito Asmoro wrote:From all of the major powers, who is the best in terms of military?
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:21 pm
The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:In the event of war, it is likely that France and EZ will deploy roughly the same number of forces to the front at any given moment. Based on my estimates, France could deploy about a million men to the Front before having to strip soldiers from the Colonies or resort to "C" class reserve unit, (French divisions were classified as A,B, or C class). France however will have more difficulties in replacing casualties. In terms of military technology, France's forces are roughly equal to that of Europa's. Some French tank designs are superior to their Europan analogues. While the Kriegsmarine is far larger than the Marine Nationale, all this means is that the French will attempt a fleet-in-being strategy as they have done in past. France's real weakness is in air power. France's airplanes were all underpowered and underarmed in comparison to their German opponents. Even the D.520, France's best fighter aircraft, would be outgunned by the ME 109 (though the French planned to up their planes main armament to 11mm machine guns). France's aircraft industry is extremely inefficient, so replacing destroyed planes will take time. This contrasts with France's AFV manufacturing, which was actually pretty good.
Another strategic problem for both powers is the location of war industries. Much of France's AFV production takes place around Paris. Similarly, Europa's most productive industrial areas are relatively close to the Front, and are certainly in range of strategic bombing. France has a budding strategic bombing arm. Currently heavy bombing is carried out by the Farman F.220, which though obsolete is still good for night-time raids. However, the Bloch MB.162 will be far superior to anything the Luftwaffe puts into service. Think about a four-engined bomber with 340 mph maximum speed. That bomber will get through.
by Altito Asmoro » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:30 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Altito Asmoro wrote:From all of the major powers, who is the best in terms of military?
There is no simple answer to that. Different powers have different strengths in their branches, and new developments are poised to upset the balance. Most importantly, some powers are matched against other strong powers, while some are against weak ones. Colombia is mostly matched against weaker South American powers, so its smaller military is relatively more powerful. Meanwhile, EZ is surrounded by powerful enemies, so while it might be considered to have the strongest military, it is proportionately weaker relative to its neighbors than Colombia.
As a very broad breakdown:
Army: France and EZ are at the top overall, both with large standing militaries and a large fleet of tanks. Between the two, France has more tanks, which are generally larger and better armored and armed, while most Europan tanks are lighter, faster, and are better designed for coordination. Doctrinally both are basically pursuing the same idea (concentrated armored divisions used for breakthroughs) but EZ has fully implemented the concept while France is adapting to it under de Gaulle's leadership. However, when France completes its transition, France will have more armored divisions than EZ due to its larger fleet of tanks, although some of these will be quite slow. Both are relatively evenly matched in other categories such as small arms and artillery, with the notable exception of machine guns, in which EZ is superior and relies much more heavily on them than any other power.
Of the rest, the Soviets have a very large military but it is not particularly well-equipped, especially for mobile operations. While its theorists have developed competent battle plans, the lack of mechanization, particularly a shortage of trucks, makes it difficult to carry these plans out.
Colombia has a well-trained and decently well-equipped army, but its small population base constrains its size. It is, however, better than any of its neighbors.
Japan has an excellent infantry force but is short on tanks, vehicles, and artillery relative to Western militaries. Its troops are fanatically devoted to the cause and its commanders competent but somewhat prone to arrogance. Their armored units are geared toward infantry support and are inferior to Western designs.
Nationalist China has a large army but of extremely variable quality, although it has better artillery and small arms than Japan. Some units, such as the Muslim divisions, are fanatics and extremely disciplined, while the peasant levies that make up much of the force are prone to fleeing and disobeying orders. The Chinese communists are very well-equipped for guerrilla operations, and are very well received by the people.
The UK has a small but very well trained and equipped army, and is the only fully-mechanized army in the world.
The Caliphate has a medium-size army that is not particularly well-equipped but is experienced and fanatic in its devotion to its cause. It is experienced in infantry tactics but short on industry to support the war effort.
The US army is small, underfunded, and generally somewhat behind technolgically and doctrinally, but American private industry has great potential.
Navy: The UK, USA, EZ, and Japan are at the top, but with different strengths. Japan has the strongest carrier force in the world, which makes it likely overall the most powerful navy in and of itself. Its pilots are well-trained and its planes very advanced for the era, while Japanese carrier doctrine is also the best in the world. EZ has the largest and most modern battleship fleet in the world, as well as perhaps the strongest submarine fleet. The UK isn't too far behind EZ and has been turning out modern battleships to replace its older units, fully the equal technologically to the newest EZ units, while it has a larger carrier arm and worldwide network of bases. The US fleet is mostly composed of older Standard-type battleships but new ships, both battleships and carriers, are in development or entering production, fully the equal of their foreign counterparts, especially the carriers.
The Caliphate has a modest navy purchase from EZ, composed of old Italian ships sold after Italy's annexation but a new supplementary fleet is under construction in EZ and due to be handed over. This will add a modern series of ships but does not include aircraft carriers, although the fleet is only expected to operate within range of land-based air power anyway.
France has a medium-sized navy, much smaller than EZ or the UK but technologically equal, especially in lighter combatants. Most of France's battleships are obsolete but new classes are entering service. France is far behind in carrier doctrine and development, however. Properly played, France can make the Mediterranean a contested theater against the EZ Mediterranean assets, particularly if supported by the Royal Navy.
Colombia's fleet of overhauled battleships from Germany is much stronger than any of its Latin American neighbors, enough so that it could probably take on all the other navies of the continent combined. It can also contest portions of the US Navy but not all at once. It has a decent battleship force but is behind in carrier development.
The Soviet Navy has only a handful of obsolete battleships, no carriers, and a small cruiser/destroyer force. It has an acceptable submarine arm, but is severely hampered by its lack of useful ports in Europe, with the northern ports freezing over in winter and the Black Sea ports and Leningrad both boxed in by enemies.
China has almost no navy to speak of, aside from a few small gunboats.
Air Force: EZ has the best fighter force in the world, although it is focused on high-speed, relatively lightly-armed fighters, and is thus relatively bad at attacking bombers. The Luftwaffe also has a very strong dive-bombing and tactical bomber arm, designed to support armored formations in the advance. It is, however, particularly deficient in strategic bombers. Europan planes can be characterized by their speed and advanced engineering, but often at the expense of over-complication, although new designs are under way to bring a measure of robustness to the force. Coupled with its size and training, it is overall possibly the best in the world, although it is not unchallenged.
France is deficient in fighters to match EZ and has trouble manufacturing sufficient numbers, but is more developed in strategic bombers. Pilot training is good but there are far fewer planes than in the Luftwaffe fighter arm. Its strategic bombing arm at present is not much better than EZ's, but is working to put newer models in to service, and will likely do so before EZ's new strategic bombers are introduced.
The UK has a very good fighter force, with planes of excellent quality although with a few glaring defects. Its pilot training is also excellent, but with Britain's strapped finances, the RAF isn't very large. However, the British manufacturing industry is far more efficient than France's, enabling it to rapidly ramp up production in the event of a conflict. The British also possess a growing strategic bombing arm, and a very well-developed maritime patrol arm.
The US is somewhat of a sleeping giant. Private companies have developed a whole slew of new inventions, including the most powerful and robust aero engines in the world. But the current Army Air Force has been relatively conservative, and is still flying relatively outdated aircraft. American planes are characterized by their robustness at the cost of performance. While slower than their opponents, and less agile, they are much more survivable, and often better armed. The US also has a developing bomber industry, and coupled with its private sector accomplishments, is poised to develop the best bomber arm in the world.
The Soviet Air Force is much like EZ's, focused on tactical support with light bombers and fast fighters. It is somewhat underdeveloped at present though due to lack of investment. It has a mediocre and not terribly successful heavy bomber arm.
The Caliphate's air force is a mixed bag. It has very competent but somewhat lightly armed fighters, an average patrol bomber arm, but a relatively weak tactical and nonexistent strategic bombing arm. It is largely reliant on imports from other countries, primarily EZ. As it has focused primarily on fighting the British in a single area, it is geared toward local air superiority, suitable due to its relatively low numbers.
Japan's air force is also a mixed bag. It has an excellent fighter force, relying on its well-trained pilots plus the most maneuverable aircraft in the world, at the expense of survivability. It has an excellent naval bomber arm, capable of challenging fleets at sea (as historically demonstrated in the attack on Force Z), but is short on strategic bombing.
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:35 pm
Altito Asmoro wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
There is no simple answer to that. Different powers have different strengths in their branches, and new developments are poised to upset the balance. Most importantly, some powers are matched against other strong powers, while some are against weak ones. Colombia is mostly matched against weaker South American powers, so its smaller military is relatively more powerful. Meanwhile, EZ is surrounded by powerful enemies, so while it might be considered to have the strongest military, it is proportionately weaker relative to its neighbors than Colombia.
As a very broad breakdown:
Army: France and EZ are at the top overall, both with large standing militaries and a large fleet of tanks. Between the two, France has more tanks, which are generally larger and better armored and armed, while most Europan tanks are lighter, faster, and are better designed for coordination. Doctrinally both are basically pursuing the same idea (concentrated armored divisions used for breakthroughs) but EZ has fully implemented the concept while France is adapting to it under de Gaulle's leadership. However, when France completes its transition, France will have more armored divisions than EZ due to its larger fleet of tanks, although some of these will be quite slow. Both are relatively evenly matched in other categories such as small arms and artillery, with the notable exception of machine guns, in which EZ is superior and relies much more heavily on them than any other power.
Of the rest, the Soviets have a very large military but it is not particularly well-equipped, especially for mobile operations. While its theorists have developed competent battle plans, the lack of mechanization, particularly a shortage of trucks, makes it difficult to carry these plans out.
Colombia has a well-trained and decently well-equipped army, but its small population base constrains its size. It is, however, better than any of its neighbors.
Japan has an excellent infantry force but is short on tanks, vehicles, and artillery relative to Western militaries. Its troops are fanatically devoted to the cause and its commanders competent but somewhat prone to arrogance. Their armored units are geared toward infantry support and are inferior to Western designs.
Nationalist China has a large army but of extremely variable quality, although it has better artillery and small arms than Japan. Some units, such as the Muslim divisions, are fanatics and extremely disciplined, while the peasant levies that make up much of the force are prone to fleeing and disobeying orders. The Chinese communists are very well-equipped for guerrilla operations, and are very well received by the people.
The UK has a small but very well trained and equipped army, and is the only fully-mechanized army in the world.
The Caliphate has a medium-size army that is not particularly well-equipped but is experienced and fanatic in its devotion to its cause. It is experienced in infantry tactics but short on industry to support the war effort.
The US army is small, underfunded, and generally somewhat behind technolgically and doctrinally, but American private industry has great potential.
Navy: The UK, USA, EZ, and Japan are at the top, but with different strengths. Japan has the strongest carrier force in the world, which makes it likely overall the most powerful navy in and of itself. Its pilots are well-trained and its planes very advanced for the era, while Japanese carrier doctrine is also the best in the world. EZ has the largest and most modern battleship fleet in the world, as well as perhaps the strongest submarine fleet. The UK isn't too far behind EZ and has been turning out modern battleships to replace its older units, fully the equal technologically to the newest EZ units, while it has a larger carrier arm and worldwide network of bases. The US fleet is mostly composed of older Standard-type battleships but new ships, both battleships and carriers, are in development or entering production, fully the equal of their foreign counterparts, especially the carriers.
The Caliphate has a modest navy purchase from EZ, composed of old Italian ships sold after Italy's annexation but a new supplementary fleet is under construction in EZ and due to be handed over. This will add a modern series of ships but does not include aircraft carriers, although the fleet is only expected to operate within range of land-based air power anyway.
France has a medium-sized navy, much smaller than EZ or the UK but technologically equal, especially in lighter combatants. Most of France's battleships are obsolete but new classes are entering service. France is far behind in carrier doctrine and development, however. Properly played, France can make the Mediterranean a contested theater against the EZ Mediterranean assets, particularly if supported by the Royal Navy.
Colombia's fleet of overhauled battleships from Germany is much stronger than any of its Latin American neighbors, enough so that it could probably take on all the other navies of the continent combined. It can also contest portions of the US Navy but not all at once. It has a decent battleship force but is behind in carrier development.
The Soviet Navy has only a handful of obsolete battleships, no carriers, and a small cruiser/destroyer force. It has an acceptable submarine arm, but is severely hampered by its lack of useful ports in Europe, with the northern ports freezing over in winter and the Black Sea ports and Leningrad both boxed in by enemies.
China has almost no navy to speak of, aside from a few small gunboats.
Air Force: EZ has the best fighter force in the world, although it is focused on high-speed, relatively lightly-armed fighters, and is thus relatively bad at attacking bombers. The Luftwaffe also has a very strong dive-bombing and tactical bomber arm, designed to support armored formations in the advance. It is, however, particularly deficient in strategic bombers. Europan planes can be characterized by their speed and advanced engineering, but often at the expense of over-complication, although new designs are under way to bring a measure of robustness to the force. Coupled with its size and training, it is overall possibly the best in the world, although it is not unchallenged.
France is deficient in fighters to match EZ and has trouble manufacturing sufficient numbers, but is more developed in strategic bombers. Pilot training is good but there are far fewer planes than in the Luftwaffe fighter arm. Its strategic bombing arm at present is not much better than EZ's, but is working to put newer models in to service, and will likely do so before EZ's new strategic bombers are introduced.
The UK has a very good fighter force, with planes of excellent quality although with a few glaring defects. Its pilot training is also excellent, but with Britain's strapped finances, the RAF isn't very large. However, the British manufacturing industry is far more efficient than France's, enabling it to rapidly ramp up production in the event of a conflict. The British also possess a growing strategic bombing arm, and a very well-developed maritime patrol arm.
The US is somewhat of a sleeping giant. Private companies have developed a whole slew of new inventions, including the most powerful and robust aero engines in the world. But the current Army Air Force has been relatively conservative, and is still flying relatively outdated aircraft. American planes are characterized by their robustness at the cost of performance. While slower than their opponents, and less agile, they are much more survivable, and often better armed. The US also has a developing bomber industry, and coupled with its private sector accomplishments, is poised to develop the best bomber arm in the world.
The Soviet Air Force is much like EZ's, focused on tactical support with light bombers and fast fighters. It is somewhat underdeveloped at present though due to lack of investment. It has a mediocre and not terribly successful heavy bomber arm.
The Caliphate's air force is a mixed bag. It has very competent but somewhat lightly armed fighters, an average patrol bomber arm, but a relatively weak tactical and nonexistent strategic bombing arm. It is largely reliant on imports from other countries, primarily EZ. As it has focused primarily on fighting the British in a single area, it is geared toward local air superiority, suitable due to its relatively low numbers.
Japan's air force is also a mixed bag. It has an excellent fighter force, relying on its well-trained pilots plus the most maneuverable aircraft in the world, at the expense of survivability. It has an excellent naval bomber arm, capable of challenging fleets at sea (as historically demonstrated in the attack on Force Z), but is short on strategic bombing.
Then my choice to allied myself with French is a good idea.
by The Akasha Colony » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:37 pm
Alleniana wrote:But the French are allied with Japan
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:40 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Alleniana wrote:But the French are allied with Japan
Sort of. We'll see how deep it runs. There are firm alliances based on shared values, like the US-UK alliance, and then alliances merely out of convenience, like the USSR-Western Allies alliance during WWII. The former is valuable, but the latter means nothing if a better deal comes along.
by Altito Asmoro » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:48 pm
Alleniana wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
Sort of. We'll see how deep it runs. There are firm alliances based on shared values, like the US-UK alliance, and then alliances merely out of convenience, like the USSR-Western Allies alliance during WWII. The former is valuable, but the latter means nothing if a better deal comes along.
Hmm... well, not sure which side Japan will side with, but both EZ and France would want a jolly good ally keeping their Asian butts covered. THen again, I doubt France nor EZ will actively aid Japan a very big amount unless the other is defeated, so hopefully, Europe won't help Japan, and may even help me.
by Alleniana » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:50 pm
Altito Asmoro wrote:Alleniana wrote:Hmm... well, not sure which side Japan will side with, but both EZ and France would want a jolly good ally keeping their Asian butts covered. THen again, I doubt France nor EZ will actively aid Japan a very big amount unless the other is defeated, so hopefully, Europe won't help Japan, and may even help me.
French has been a very good ally, especially with Gran Colombia beside our country and French Guyana. While DPC has a small chance in the future to be an independent nation, due to the fact that the KMT and CPC still at large.
by The Akasha Colony » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:55 pm
Alleniana wrote:Altito Asmoro wrote:
French has been a very good ally, especially with Gran Colombia beside our country and French Guyana. While DPC has a small chance in the future to be an independent nation, due to the fact that the KMT and CPC still at large.
If any of my enemies get any real aid, I will probably get squished.
Anyway, can anyone NPC the CPC? I want to ask them for help and I doubt they'd just not give a crap and allow the KMT to crush even more of China.
by Alleniana » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:22 am
The Akasha Colony wrote:Alleniana wrote:If any of my enemies get any real aid, I will probably get squished.
Anyway, can anyone NPC the CPC? I want to ask them for help and I doubt they'd just not give a crap and allow the KMT to crush even more of China.
After you were trying to kick them out too? They're not fond of you or the KMT. If the KMT has to waste troops fighting you, so much the better for them. Not like it would matter given that they cared about fighting the Japanese more than the KMT did anyway.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:31 am
Alleniana wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
After you were trying to kick them out too? They're not fond of you or the KMT. If the KMT has to waste troops fighting you, so much the better for them. Not like it would matter given that they cared about fighting the Japanese more than the KMT did anyway.
The KMT is bigger than them though, and I doubt they'd waste an opportunity to screw over the KMT.
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