1939! The World of Tomorrow! [PT/ALT-HIST/OOC/OPEN]

[The Akasha Colony]

GUys... why is Gran Colombia a Great Power?

Because despite its small size, it has an army trained to broadly European standards led by a largely German expatriate officer class and armed with relatively modern equipment. It has a wealth of natural resources and particularly oil to trade for additional equipment and support, and perhaps most importantly has a valuable strategic position, threatening the Panama Canal while being significantly more powerful than any of the other countries on the continent. While hardly the greatest of the great powers, it is more powerful and more stable than the other nations that did not make the cut.

It's also more importantly supposed to be a pivotal player in international relations, and a priority spot to fill in recruiting (along with the other great powers).

[Alleniana]

GUys... why is Gran Colombia a Great Power?

Because despite its small size, it has an army trained to broadly European standards led by a largely German expatriate officer class and armed with relatively modern equipment. It has a wealth of natural resources and particularly oil to trade for additional equipment and support, and perhaps most importantly has a valuable strategic position, threatening the Panama Canal while being significantly more powerful than any of the other countries on the continent. While hardly the greatest of the great powers, it is more powerful and more stable than the other nations that did not make the cut.

It's also more importantly supposed to be a pivotal player in international relations, and a priority spot to fill in recruiting (along with the other great powers).

I see. It seems a bit odd that is has such a well-trained and modern military, but that could be put down to trade.

[The Akasha Colony]

Because despite its small size, it has an army trained to broadly European standards led by a largely German expatriate officer class and armed with relatively modern equipment. It has a wealth of natural resources and particularly oil to trade for additional equipment and support, and perhaps most importantly has a valuable strategic position, threatening the Panama Canal while being significantly more powerful than any of the other countries on the continent. While hardly the greatest of the great powers, it is more powerful and more stable than the other nations that did not make the cut.

It's also more importantly supposed to be a pivotal player in international relations, and a priority spot to fill in recruiting (along with the other great powers).

I see. It seems a bit odd that is has such a well-trained and modern military, but that could be put down to trade.

As I mentioned, a good deal of the officer class is composed of professional German officers who gained a large amount of experience fighting in the Great War and who were persuaded to stay with lands and titles in the conquered regions to keep them under control. The army also gained a bit of experience from the conquest of the lands that now compose Gran Colombia, although many of the soldiers that participated were German expeditionary soldiers fighting as 'volunteers' who returned home (not all stayed).

Whether or not it truly performs up to modern standards remains to be seen as GC has never fought a modern nation, but they are certainly better-trained and better-equipped than its neighbors, and in its present state, the US military is actually probably worse-off due to funding shortages.

[Alleniana]

I see. It seems a bit odd that is has such a well-trained and modern military, but that could be put down to trade.

As I mentioned, a good deal of the officer class is composed of professional German officers who gained a large amount of experience fighting in the Great War and who were persuaded to stay with lands and titles in the conquered regions to keep them under control. The army also gained a bit of experience from the conquest of the lands that now compose Gran Colombia, although many of the soldiers that participated were German expeditionary soldiers fighting as 'volunteers' who returned home (not all stayed).

Whether or not it truly performs up to modern standards remains to be seen as GC has never fought a modern nation, but they are certainly better-trained and better-equipped than its neighbors, and in its present state, the US military is actually probably worse-off due to funding shortages.

I see, but having good soldiers doesn't necessarily mean good equipment.
In any case, why does the US have funding shortages for their military? They have a fair amount of resources and no shortage of people to trade with.

[Altito Asmoro]

As I mentioned, a good deal of the officer class is composed of professional German officers who gained a large amount of experience fighting in the Great War and who were persuaded to stay with lands and titles in the conquered regions to keep them under control. The army also gained a bit of experience from the conquest of the lands that now compose Gran Colombia, although many of the soldiers that participated were German expeditionary soldiers fighting as 'volunteers' who returned home (not all stayed).

Whether or not it truly performs up to modern standards remains to be seen as GC has never fought a modern nation, but they are certainly better-trained and better-equipped than its neighbors, and in its present state, the US military is actually probably worse-off due to funding shortages.

I see, but having good soldiers doesn't necessarily mean good equipment.
In any case, why does the US have funding shortages for their military? They have a fair amount of resources and no shortage of people to trade with.

Recovery from the Great Depression and the isolationist policy, and the Congress.

[The Akasha Colony]

As I mentioned, a good deal of the officer class is composed of professional German officers who gained a large amount of experience fighting in the Great War and who were persuaded to stay with lands and titles in the conquered regions to keep them under control. The army also gained a bit of experience from the conquest of the lands that now compose Gran Colombia, although many of the soldiers that participated were German expeditionary soldiers fighting as 'volunteers' who returned home (not all stayed).

Whether or not it truly performs up to modern standards remains to be seen as GC has never fought a modern nation, but they are certainly better-trained and better-equipped than its neighbors, and in its present state, the US military is actually probably worse-off due to funding shortages.

I see, but having good soldiers doesn't necessarily mean good equipment.
In any case, why does the US have funding shortages for their military? They have a fair amount of resources and no shortage of people to trade with.

I specifically mentioned however that GC received a lot of equipment from Germany, and EZ has been willing to continue selling them equipment in exchange for resources and oil.

As for the US military, the US government generally refused to support a large military until WWII. Before that, the standing policy of the government was to basically reduce the Army and Navy (there is no Air Force at this time) to a glorified border guard and coast guard in peacetime. In war time both would expand, but they'd also rapidly contract as soon as the war was over. By and large, this was due to the remaining influence of the founding fathers, who were very wary of the effects a large military could have on a democratic society, and did their best to persuade the American people a large military was not necessary given the US' distance from continental Europe and Asia.

This difference in priority is the reason why certain nations are competitive with others regardless of size. Relative to its neighbors, EZ actually assigns a lower priority to its military than France and the USSR and about the same as the UK, which is why France has an army that's competitive on a population base 1/5 of Europa's and 1/2 the size of EZ's 'loyal' population. It's also why Japan, despite not actually being fully developed to Western standards (although closer than anyone else in Asia) is considered a Great Power, they have more military focus than any other Great Power at the moment, sustainable only due to their rather unique culture.

[Altito Asmoro]

Will this reach the age of nuclear?

Or will reach the age of stealth planes?

[The Akasha Colony]

Will this reach the age of nuclear?

Or will reach the age of stealth planes?

Maybe. Maybe not. Hell if I know.

[Altito Asmoro]

Will this reach the age of nuclear?

Or will reach the age of stealth planes?

Maybe. Maybe not. Hell if I know.

Why?

[The Akasha Colony]

Maybe. Maybe not. Hell if I know.

Why?

There is no defined end point to this thread. It will run however long interest remains in it. Whether that allows us to reach other time periods remains unknown.

[Alleniana]

Why?

There is no defined end point to this thread. It will run however long interest remains in it. Whether that allows us to reach other time periods remains unknown.

To boldly go where no RP has gone before

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

One more week, and I'll be eating Brazil like French Fries. Btw, did anybody say nukes?

[Altito Asmoro]

One more week, and I'll be eating Brazil like French Fries. Btw, did anybody say nukes?

NOOOOO!

Will this reach the age of nuclear?

Or will reach the age of stealth planes?

[Alleniana]

One more week, and I'll be eating Brazil like French Fries. Btw, did anybody say nukes?

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

One more week, and I'll be eating Brazil like French Fries. Btw, did anybody say nukes?

If Brazil had substantial industry, that might end like Operation Barbarossa, as Brazil has nearly three times the population of Gran Colombia and is about twice its size. Unfortunately for the Brazilians, they have no significant industry. Once Colombian forces establish a bridgehead across the Amazon, there isn't much the Brazilians can do except spam them with human-wave attacks. The biggest problem won't be the Brazilian Armed Forces, but the logistics of mounting an invasion over such a great distance. Brazil's mineral rich north-eastern provinces, while much closer to the Colombian border than the urban centers of Southern Brazil are still hundreds of miles away. Facing the Colombians are impenetrable rain-forests and countless rivers.

[Alleniana]

One more week, and I'll be eating Brazil like French Fries. Btw, did anybody say nukes?

If Brazil had substantial industry, that might end like Operation Barbarossa, as Brazil has nearly three times the population of Gran Colombia and is about twice its size. Unfortunately for the Brazilians, they have no significant industry. Once Colombian forces establish a bridgehead across the Amazon, there isn't much the Brazilians can do except spam them with human-wave attacks. The biggest problem won't be the Brazilian Armed Forces, but the logistics of mounting an invasion over such a great distance. Brazil's mineral rich north-eastern provinces, while much closer to the Colombian border than the urban centers of Southern Brazil are still hundreds of miles away. Facing the Colombians are impenetrable rain-forests and countless rivers.

The Colombians already own some of the Amazon and so would have experience in them. It's true that the logistics would be hard, but the BAF would also be a large danger, because they are more experienced in the Amazon. Also, it would be hard to spam numbers in the forest.

[The Akasha Colony]

If Brazil had substantial industry, that might end like Operation Barbarossa, as Brazil has nearly three times the population of Gran Colombia and is about twice its size. Unfortunately for the Brazilians, they have no significant industry. Once Colombian forces establish a bridgehead across the Amazon, there isn't much the Brazilians can do except spam them with human-wave attacks. The biggest problem won't be the Brazilian Armed Forces, but the logistics of mounting an invasion over such a great distance. Brazil's mineral rich north-eastern provinces, while much closer to the Colombian border than the urban centers of Southern Brazil are still hundreds of miles away. Facing the Colombians are impenetrable rain-forests and countless rivers.

The Colombians already own some of the Amazon and so would have experience in them. It's true that the logistics would be hard, but the BAF would also be a large danger, because they are more experienced in the Amazon. Also, it would be hard to spam numbers in the forest.

Simply owning the territory does not mean they are experienced with it, and that goes for both sides. There's no population living in that area to draw on in terms of experience, and it's too challenging and dangerous to conduct actual warfare exercises in the rainforest itself.

[The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion]

Historically, Brazil has concentrated its main formations in the Southern Pampas, wary of Argentina and Paraguay. The presence of Gran Colombia naturally means a change in military doctrine, but it is doubtful that the Brazilians have real-experience in jungle warfare, or at least any real advantage over the Colombians. Amazonia is so under-developed, that practically all Brazilian troops in on the frontier will be concentrated at the river's mouth. In any case this is the most logical place for the Colombians to establish a bridgehead, since the only city in that part of the Empire is Macapa, which is close to the mouth of the Amazon. Brazil will have plenty of time to fortify their side of the Amazon, because it will take some time for the Colombians to assemble their forces for an assault. These early battles might be the most fierce of the whole war. Colombian air superiority may be decisive. Gran Colombia's Navy will also give them a huge advantage. However, if the Brazilians can somehow hold Amazon, the Colombians will have a hard fight ahead of them.

Of course, the Colombians may have some tricks up their sleeves.

[Alleniana]

Historically, Brazil has concentrated its main formations in the Southern Pampas, wary of Argentina and Paraguay. The presence of Gran Colombia naturally means a change in military doctrine, but it is doubtful that the Brazilians have real-experience in jungle warfare, or at least any real advantage over the Colombians. Amazonia is so under-developed, that practically all Brazilian troops in on the frontier will be concentrated at the river's mouth. In any case this is the most logical place for the Colombians to establish a bridgehead, since the only city in that part of the Empire is Macapa, which is close to the mouth of the Amazon. Brazil will have plenty of time to fortify their side of the Amazon, because it will take some time for the Colombians to assemble their forces for an assault. These early battles might be the most fierce of the whole war. Colombian air superiority may be decisive. Gran Colombia's Navy will also give them a huge advantage. However, if the Brazilians can somehow hold Amazon, the Colombians will have a hard fight ahead of them.

Of course, the Colombians may have some tricks up their sleeves.

If most of their troops were in the Pampas and that general area, they'll have real trouble. That's about as far away from Gran Colombia in Brazil as you can get. Unless they have RPed are are now RPing their troops moving, I reckon Gran Colombia will be seriously pressing on Brazil at the Amazon; that is, even more than they should be. On Amazonia, there will be some conflict, but probably not decisive. Kind of hard to invade a country by moving your army through a massive rainforest. Just my thoughts.

This may sort of affect me, as Brazil has invested in my economy. If they fall, I will be losing an investor; it probably won't be a massive blow, but it will be quite an annoyance; Brazil and USA are about the only foreign countries that have even responded to any of my contacts.

[Fuurturr]

Historically, Brazil has concentrated its main formations in the Southern Pampas, wary of Argentina and Paraguay. The presence of Gran Colombia naturally means a change in military doctrine, but it is doubtful that the Brazilians have real-experience in jungle warfare, or at least any real advantage over the Colombians. Amazonia is so under-developed, that practically all Brazilian troops in on the frontier will be concentrated at the river's mouth. In any case this is the most logical place for the Colombians to establish a bridgehead, since the only city in that part of the Empire is Macapa, which is close to the mouth of the Amazon. Brazil will have plenty of time to fortify their side of the Amazon, because it will take some time for the Colombians to assemble their forces for an assault. These early battles might be the most fierce of the whole war. Colombian air superiority may be decisive. Gran Colombia's Navy will also give them a huge advantage. However, if the Brazilians can somehow hold Amazon, the Colombians will have a hard fight ahead of them.

Of course, the Colombians may have some tricks up their sleeves.

Not to mention the fact that any armour or motorized infantry will be entirely out of the question. The second they break through the line, they'll be entirely out of supplies. Air support will also be minimal due to the low number of airfields in the Amazon. Also, any sort of push over the river will make supply lines go haywire. It'll take a pretty big offensive before the stalemate ends, likely at the river mouth with naval support and as much artillery that can bear the terrain as possible.

[Len Hyet]

*scratches chin*

Alright, I'll come in.

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name: Len Hyet
Desired 1939 RP Nation: Mexico
RP Sample:* viewtopic.php?f=31&t=236879
Why do you want to be this nation?:** Because Vive la Mexico?
In all seriousness because the idea of a border dispute with America interests me. That and the thought of a Mexico that wants to become more technologically advanced, with a sound Empire to surround bella Mexico, and defend her from the northern aggressors, with a possible alliance with certain someones who want the USA to trip and fall, and get a dagger shoved through its back while it lays in the mud.

[Altito Asmoro]

Historically, Brazil has concentrated its main formations in the Southern Pampas, wary of Argentina and Paraguay. The presence of Gran Colombia naturally means a change in military doctrine, but it is doubtful that the Brazilians have real-experience in jungle warfare, or at least any real advantage over the Colombians. Amazonia is so under-developed, that practically all Brazilian troops in on the frontier will be concentrated at the river's mouth. In any case this is the most logical place for the Colombians to establish a bridgehead, since the only city in that part of the Empire is Macapa, which is close to the mouth of the Amazon. Brazil will have plenty of time to fortify their side of the Amazon, because it will take some time for the Colombians to assemble their forces for an assault. These early battles might be the most fierce of the whole war. Colombian air superiority may be decisive. Gran Colombia's Navy will also give them a huge advantage. However, if the Brazilians can somehow hold Amazon, the Colombians will have a hard fight ahead of them.

Of course, the Colombians may have some tricks up their sleeves.

If most of their troops were in the Pampas and that general area, they'll have real trouble. That's about as far away from Gran Colombia in Brazil as you can get. Unless they have RPed are are now RPing their troops moving, I reckon Gran Colombia will be seriously pressing on Brazil at the Amazon; that is, even more than they should be. On Amazonia, there will be some conflict, but probably not decisive. Kind of hard to invade a country by moving your army through a massive rainforest. Just my thoughts.

This may sort of affect me, as Brazil has invested in my economy. If they fall, I will be losing an investor; it probably won't be a massive blow, but it will be quite an annoyance; Brazil and USA are about the only foreign countries that have even responded to any of my contacts.

Hmm.....I perhaps will start move my troops to the borders, but no promise. As for China, I have a few plans in the future.

*scratches chin*

Alright, I'll come in.

APPLICATION
NS Nation Name: Len Hyet
Desired 1939 RP Nation: Mexico
RP Sample:* viewtopic.php?f=31&t=236879
Why do you want to be this nation?:** Because Vive la Mexico?
In all seriousness because the idea of a border dispute with America interests me. That and the thought of a Mexico that wants to become more technologically advanced, with a sound Empire to surround bella Mexico, and defend her from the northern aggressors, with a possible alliance with certain someones who want the USA to trip and fall, and get a dagger shoved through its back while it lays in the mud.

Heya!

[Alleniana]

The KMT guy doesn't post very much... I get the impression that the battle won't be over before a new war starts.

[Great Houses of Xie]

I'll post when I get around to posting; hold your horses.

[Alleniana]

I'll post when I get around to posting; hold your horses.

Oh, ok, you're still here. I'm waiting.