1648 RP, After the Thirty Years' War (PT, OOC/Sign Up)

[Seven United Netherlands]

This RP will not be as professional as the Earth RP's, but one liners will not be tolerated!

IC!

This RP starts just after the Treaties of Osnabruck and Münster have been signed. The treaties ended The Thirty Years War in the Holy Roman Empire, The Eighty Years War between the Dutch Republic and Spain.

The consequences of the treaties are:
- The indepence of the Dutch Republic from Spain and the Holy Roman Empire is formally recognized
- The indepence of the Swiss Confederance from the Holy Roman Empire is formally recognized
- Sweden received 5 million talers and gained control over Western Pomerania, Wismar and the Prince-Bishoprics of Bremen and Verden
- Brandenburg-Prussia received Farther Pomerania and the Bishoprics of Magdeburg, Halberstadt, Kammin, and Minden.
- All parties would recognize the Peace of Augsburg of 1555, in which each prince would have the right to determine the religion of his own state, the options being Catholicism, Lutheranism, and now Calvinism (the principle of cuius regio, eius religio)
- Christians living in principalities where their denomination was not the established church were guaranteed the right to practice their faith in public during allotted hours and in private at their will

Still, the treaties did not take away the tensions in Europe:
- France still has the goal of having an Rhine-Alpes-Pyrenees border
- The Dutch Republic still wants to unite all of the Netherlands
- The Spanish Empire is falling apart and other nations want to take advantage of that
- Although the Prince-Bishopric of Bremen has been given to Sweden, the city of Bremen itself had claimed and was granted imperial immediacy. This meant that the city seperated itself from the Prince-Bishopric and was no part of Sweden. The Swedish can't accept this
- more coming

Claimed Nations:
Dutch Republic - Seven United Netherlands
Sweden - The New Lowlands
Brandenburg-Prussia - The Rhineland Principalities
Poland-Lithuania - Ashoris
Venice - Firstaria
France - Royal Brittania
Ottoman Empire - Persia-Iraq
England - Mishmahig
Portugal - Tertland
Spain - Jade Confederacy
Denmark-Norway - New Tebow
Austria-Hungary - The Ottoman Imperial Union
Genoa - Nijholtpade
Russia - Kerblaekistan
Scotland - Priory Academy USSR
Naples - Great Nepal
Bavaria - Aeken


Available nations:
Ireland
Switzerland
Bavaria
Saxony
Florence
Papal States
Savoy
Other small German/Italian states

Maps:

Larger Map of Europe: http://images.wikia.com/genealogy/images/d/d0/Europe_map_1648.PNG
Larger Map of the Holy Roman Empire: http://www.thebreman.org/exhibitions/online/1000kids/HRR_1648.png

Rules:
1) No Godmodding
2) Try to post every 2-3 days
3) Try to be civilized when there is a disagreement.
4) Every page is 6 months

Just post if you are interested and what nation you would like to claim

[Royal Britannia]

France, please?

[Firstaria]

Dibs for Venice.

[Seven United Netherlands]

France, please?

Sure

Dibs for Venice

Accepted

[Kohan]

Hmm I'm tempted to say Bavaria but I could also go with Denmark-Norway or Bavaria. Hmm oh is Courland available?

[Torsiedelle]

Dibs for Ottoman Empire?

[Mishmahig]

So....how much leeway do we have over current/past events? For example (dibs on England, if it hasn't been claimed yet), if I wanted to make England Catholic again, given reasonable RPing, would that be permissible, or are we doing IRL events and simply RPing them out?

[Seven United Netherlands]

Hmm I'm tempted to say Bavaria but I could also go with Denmark-Norway or Bavaria. Hmm oh is Courland available?

Courland is available, but you will start as a vassal state of the Polish-Lituanian Commonwealth. You can have a war of independence of course.

[Seven United Netherlands]

Dibs for Ottoman Empire?

Sure, no problem

[Seven United Netherlands]

So....how much leeway do we have over current/past events? For example (dibs on England, if it hasn't been claimed yet), if I wanted to make England Catholic again, given reasonable RPing, would that be permissible, or are we doing IRL events and simply RPing them out?

We start in 1648 and up to and including Peace of Westphalia everything is the same as in real live, but from there on, you can do whatever you want with your nation (with reasonable RPing of course). So it is possible to make England Catholic again.

[Mishmahig]

So....how much leeway do we have over current/past events? For example (dibs on England, if it hasn't been claimed yet), if I wanted to make England Catholic again, given reasonable RPing, would that be permissible, or are we doing IRL events and simply RPing them out?

We start in 1648 and up to and including Peace of Westphalia everything is the same as in real live, but from there on, you can do whatever you want with your nation (with reasonable RPing of course). So it is possible to make England Catholic again.

Most excellent.... Shall I make an application?

[Seven United Netherlands]

We start in 1648 and up to and including Peace of Westphalia everything is the same as in real live, but from there on, you can do whatever you want with your nation (with reasonable RPing of course). So it is possible to make England Catholic again.

Most excellent.... Shall I make an application?

Yes please

[Mishmahig]

Most excellent.... Shall I make an application?

Yes please

This is most exciting. Charles I was executed in 1649, and we have the English Civil Wars. I shall be embroiled in internal divisions, and it'll be most interesting to see how things go. A switch to Catholicism, an appeal to other Catholic countries, the civil war explodes bloodily? Remains Protestant, royals stand down, or remain on the throne? Will Cromwell ever come to power to be a near-genocidal ruler? I must ponder this....

[Royal Britannia]

Perhaps the French could aid the English Catholics in a civil war?

[Mishmahig]

Perhaps the French could aid the English Catholics in a civil war?

Well, IRL, the Civil War was nearly over by 1648---Charles I was executed in 1649. I might need to play with the events in the English Civil War to see how things go....

But I have to go to class. Goodbye. I will return soon.

[Seven United Netherlands]

Perhaps the French could aid the English Catholics in a civil war?

I guess we already found our first conflict xD

[Firstaria]

Perhaps the French could aid the English Catholics in a civil war?

I guess we already found our first conflict xD

Wow, France vs England, like this never happened before...

Oh, and let's try to unify Italy. This seems pretty much the map of Medieval Total War 2, I always managed to unify Italy, remembering to not attack the Pope.

[Torsiedelle]

So if we can manage to reunify Italy, make England Catholic, ect. I should try to maintain the Ottoman Empire land holdings and westernize the nation more....

[Mishmahig]

I guess we already found our first conflict xD

Wow, France vs England, like this never happened before...

Oh, and let's try to unify Italy. This seems pretty much the map of Medieval Total War 2, I always managed to unify Italy, remembering to not attack the Pope.

Actually, it'd be more like France+ English Royalists vs English Parliamentarians.

[Firstaria]

Who cares, we'll destroy them! To battle!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G0Vy8C_sNg

[Torsiedelle]

So as the Ottomans, It appears that I'm the "bad guy", a.k.a. the creeping forces of Islam falling over Europe, and bordered by Austria, Poland, and Russia......


This should be fun.....

[Mishmahig]

Application:

• Nation Name: The Kingdom of England
• Demonym: English
• Capital: London
• Independence or Founding Date: 1066 AD
• Population: 5,600,000
• Official Language(s): English, some Latin and French
• Government Type: Monarchy, with a rebellious Parliament
• Head of State: King Charles I
• Head of Government: King Charles I
• Official Religion: Protestantism
• Largest Religion: Protestantism. Sizable Catholic minority.
• Currency: Pound, 62-shilling standard
• Examples of Previous RPs
  
  • http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=198357
  • http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=199717
  • http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=198469
• Land(s) Claiming:
  
  • Kingdom of England
• History
  
  • After the failure of the Short Parliament and King Charles’ defeat at the hands of the Scottish army, King Charles called for a second Parliament in November of 1640, only to have the new Parliament erupt in barely constrained rebellion against him. Using the troubles of the kingdom as a pretext, the Parliamentarians attempted to force King Charles to accede to many requests, such as religious restrictions upon Catholics, as well as increased powers for Parliament itself. King Charles refused, and the English Civil War began.
    
    For the majority of the war, the Parliamentarians held the upper hand, controlling and commanding the loyalties of the urban areas and the population centers, while King Charles found support in the rural areas of the gentry. Several decisive battles forced the King on the defensive, and the Parliamentarians looked to Scotland to come to their aid. However, after an attempt by the Earl of Essex to raise the siege of Gloucester failed miserably and led to the destruction and disbandment of a major portion of the Parliament’s army, the Royalists went on the offensive once again, winning victories at Newbury and Winceby, gaining control over Lincolnshire, and a good portion of Northern England.
    
    Using his string of victories, King Charles won a diplomatic victory, sending the Earl of Newcastle to the Scots, persuading them to remain neutral in the war, offering several economic and religious concessions in return. With the loss of most of Northern and Western England, as well as the hope of assistance by the Scots, the Parliamentarians began to lose hope and support, as city after city was besieged and captured by the Royalists. An attempt to rearrange the army under Oliver Cromwell came too late, and the Battle of Langport sealed the fate of the Parliamentarians. Many chose to flee to Europe, while others remained in London to await their fate.
    
    On November 18th, 1645, King Charles I entered London and reclaimed his throne. Granting partial amnesty to the rebellious Parliamentarians, he embarked on a campaign of reconciliation and renewal, seeking to repair the wounds inflicted on his beloved country by the vicious wars.
    
    Still, though, King Charles I is not foolish, and keeps a careful eye upon Parliament, always wary and careful of another rebellion, especially with murmurs of discontent among the upper nobility.
    
• Brief Outline of the Current State of your Nation:
  
  Divided would most likely be the best word for the current state of England at the moment. While King Charles does maintain his seat on the throne, his control is very fragile, and he must be careful to govern with a light touch. If he is too forceful, or too vague, opportunistic nobles in the Parliament seek to gather more influence to themselves, at the expense of the crown. While the majority of the nobility are loyal to him, he remains suspicious of all but the small core that fought with him in the English Civil War, and has rewarded them with high offices and honors.
  
  The peasants and underclasses are, for the most part, simply relieved that the wars have ended, and that the fighting seems to be over for the most part. Tired of over a half-decade’s worth of taxes and levies, the commoners are a barely maintained powder keg, and all---from the king to the lowest vicar---step carefully around issues near and dear to their hearts. The artisans and merchants also welcome the return of peace, greedily looking outwards at the profits to be made in the New World and in the Spice Islands.
  
  In the past four years, King Charles has established a series of rebuilding campaigns, restoring the ravaged areas that were destroyed by over five years of war. Thousands of peasants and artisans were paid extensively during the reconstruction, and money rang in the coffers of both the cities and the Royal Treasury as trade and commerce flowed once more throughout the nation. England remains primarily an agricultural society, although the cities are looking towards the future, and the ideas and plans of many merchants promise great wealth to those who are lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time.
  
• Brief Outline of the Current Plans:
  
  Having recovered from a massive Civil War that embroiled the entire nation, King Charles I now looks to re-establish his influence over the Kingdom of Scotland and Ireland. Recent events in the Netherlands, and the waning influence of the Spanish have sparked the interests of many nobles, and some whisper in the King’s ear that England should seek to re-exert influence over its wayward cousins on the Continent.
  
  Thoughts of interference are supported by flimsy claims that Anne of Denmark, by her marriage to King James I in 1589 granted the right of the Danish throne to her future descendants, while the superior claim of her younger brother, Christian IV is carefully ignored. King Charles also has equally flimsy claims to the thrones of Spain and France, although such claims would be hotly contested both abroad and at home.
  

Application Source: Earth II people.

[Seven United Netherlands]

The RP will be up soon, we still need someone for Spain though

[Torsiedelle]

bump...

[The Ottoman Imperial Union]

Might it be that I could lay claim to the Austrians?

It'd be lovely to make a deal with the Ottomans instead of constantly breaking my back trying to stop them.