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Do you support an opt-out of Gameplay (specifically R/D) for P2TM Regions?

Yes.
91
65%
Nah.
17
12%
I don't care.
31
22%
 
Total votes : 139

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Kassaran
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Postby Kassaran » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:54 am

Anyone here remember an old game called Geneforge? Was wondering if there was interest out there enough for me to try stirring up a Geneforge RP. I own all the games and played them through (almost).
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:57 am

Kassaran wrote:Anyone here remember an old game called Geneforge? Was wondering if there was interest out there enough for me to try stirring up a Geneforge RP. I own all the games and played them through (almost).

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Try again on the new cafe?
link: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:26 am

I'm thinking of creating an RP set in 1900 that's similar to the board game Risk, in which you try to achieve world domination via conquest. I, the OP, shall play as an extra large British Empire that has just captured Shanghai, and anybody who joins the RP can also play as an empire of their choice. Sure, the RP might descend into land-grabbing, number wanking and mindless imperialism, but isn't that what Risk is all about? I'd just love to have a large number of eager RPers join this and have us all scramble for land. There'd be battles on nearly every continent, alliances would form and shatter, and there would be riches and glory for those who could conquer. Not to mention constant wars that would make the geopolitical situation of the earth somewhere between Risk, WW2 and the Napoleonic Wars.

Who likes my idea?
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:30 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:I'm thinking of creating an RP set in 1900 that's similar to the board game Risk, in which you try to achieve world domination via conquest. I, the OP, shall play as an extra large British Empire that has just captured Shanghai, and anybody who joins the RP can also play as an empire of their choice. Sure, the RP might descend into land-grabbing, number wanking and mindless imperialism, but isn't that what Risk is all about? I'd just love to have a large number of eager RPers join this and have us all scramble for land. There'd be battles on nearly every continent, alliances would form and shatter, and there would be riches and glory for those who could conquer. Not to mention constant wars that would make the geopolitical situation of the earth somewhere between Risk, WW2 and the Napoleonic Wars.

Who likes my idea?


Does nobody even bother looking at the posts immediately above them?

See:

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Kassaran wrote:Anyone here remember an old game called Geneforge? Was wondering if there was interest out there enough for me to try stirring up a Geneforge RP. I own all the games and played them through (almost).

The Blazing Aura wrote:
Try again on the new cafe?
link: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490
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Altito Asmoro
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:46 am

We need to lock this, perhaps?
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Or Tito.

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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:06 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:We need to lock this, perhaps?


No, because then we couldn't quote something from this thread in the new one when we need to.
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Kershya
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kershya » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:48 pm

RP Advertisement Form

RP Name: Mystic Empyrean

RP Creator: Kershya

Type (Character, Nation, Faction): Character/Faction

Genre/s: Fantasy, Sci-fi, Horror, Action, Adventure, World Building

Detailed Description:

Empyrean is a shattered world. Nearly one thousand years ago, Grand Cornerstone, the root of the world, was destroyed in a terrible cataclysm. Some say it was war between Eidolons. Others believe it was unrest amongst the spirits of Anima. Others still imagine that the Aether crept in through some tear in the fabric of reality, and began to devour everything.

The mist of Aether spread over the whole world, unraveling and consuming reality, until only an endless desert of blank, white infinity remained in its wake. Now, only a few tiny islands of existence remain in a sea of oblivion. These last few remaining realms are the final bastions of civilization and life. They too will soon fall, unless something is done to repair the ravages done to Grand Cornerstone.

Mystic Empyrean is a unique tabletop RPG where not only do people play as the characters, they can also do the world building, or rebuilding. I will try to make the RP as like the game as possible while keeping the open sandbox feel of a forum RP.


The Eidolons are the children of Anima, the inheritors of the world, and its protectors and servants as well. These immortal forces of nature are pure life energy give n form and will, and live only according to their own goals and ideals.

The heart of an Eidolon is the core of his being. A stone of crystallized Anima just a little larger than a closed fist, the heart sustains the Eidolon, such that he needs neither food nor air nor sleep. An Eidolon’s entire body is a construct of Anima that flows out from his heart, and the heart is capable of rebuilding the body. Thus, Eidolons can survive any physical wound or injury, so long as their hearts remain intact.

Eidolons also have a powerful and innate connection to the world around them. Only Eidolons are able to rebuild Grand Cornerstone by returning its lost shards. Only Eidolons are able to see and speak to the Great Spirits of the world. Only Eidolons have the power to reshape the lands according to their wills.

Within Empyrean, these beings are regarded with respect, both among their own kind and among the other races of the world. Even the weakest and youngest of their kind are capable and powerful beyond measure, and their requests and wills are not to be taken lightly or denied outright.

An Eidolon’s heart is formed by certain traits, called Persona Traits, that grant him powers linked to his desires and deeds. An Eidolon who possesses deep curiosity is able to open a third eye and see many mysteries. One who is filled with envy can repaint his flesh to look however he desires. One with a cold, solitary heart can create ice and chill with a touch or a breath. As he lives on and acquires more traits, an Eidolon will acquire more and more power and change his face many times. Only by experiencing the breadth of emotion and deed – the highest goods and darkest evils, the purest ideals and most decadent pleasures – can an Eidolon unlock his full potential and become what he must be in order
to rebuild the world.

An innate desire to restore the world rests within all Eidolons. Perhaps it is put there by the spirits of Anima, or perhaps it is a simple extension of their personal connections to the world. No matter what the case, every Eidolon wishes to see Empyrean restored to its full glory. While all Eidolons share in this desire, there are many differing views on how it must be done. Eidolons mark the lands they unlock with a tinge of their own personalities, and thus, each rebuilds the world according to his own image of a perfect Empyrean. This great power is easily coveted, and there is much dissent among the Eidolons over whose right it is to rebuild Grand Cornerstone and reshape the world.

Most Eidolons are born as Nascent, the tribal races that inhabit Empyrean, though this is not always the case. Some are formed by the Great Spirits in order to execute their bidding. Others are born directly from the land, and instinctively know the will of Grand Cornerstone in their hearts.

We will play as beginner Eidolons, former normal people who suddenly become, practically, living gods. As living tabula rasa, or blank slates, our actions will define our character and they would develop character traits, these traits would be the source of our powers. But the world is not filled with Eidolons alone.

Link to the OOC: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=277159
Full Name:
The United Nine Constitutional Monarchies of Kershya

Economy

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The Blazing Aura
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Postby The Blazing Aura » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:45 am

Kershya wrote:RP Advertisement Form

RP Name: Mystic Empyrean

RP Creator: Kershya

Type (Character, Nation, Faction): Character/Faction

Genre/s: Fantasy, Sci-fi, Horror, Action, Adventure, World Building

Detailed Description:

Empyrean is a shattered world. Nearly one thousand years ago, Grand Cornerstone, the root of the world, was destroyed in a terrible cataclysm. Some say it was war between Eidolons. Others believe it was unrest amongst the spirits of Anima. Others still imagine that the Aether crept in through some tear in the fabric of reality, and began to devour everything.

The mist of Aether spread over the whole world, unraveling and consuming reality, until only an endless desert of blank, white infinity remained in its wake. Now, only a few tiny islands of existence remain in a sea of oblivion. These last few remaining realms are the final bastions of civilization and life. They too will soon fall, unless something is done to repair the ravages done to Grand Cornerstone.

Mystic Empyrean is a unique tabletop RPG where not only do people play as the characters, they can also do the world building, or rebuilding. I will try to make the RP as like the game as possible while keeping the open sandbox feel of a forum RP.


The Eidolons are the children of Anima, the inheritors of the world, and its protectors and servants as well. These immortal forces of nature are pure life energy give n form and will, and live only according to their own goals and ideals.

The heart of an Eidolon is the core of his being. A stone of crystallized Anima just a little larger than a closed fist, the heart sustains the Eidolon, such that he needs neither food nor air nor sleep. An Eidolon’s entire body is a construct of Anima that flows out from his heart, and the heart is capable of rebuilding the body. Thus, Eidolons can survive any physical wound or injury, so long as their hearts remain intact.

Eidolons also have a powerful and innate connection to the world around them. Only Eidolons are able to rebuild Grand Cornerstone by returning its lost shards. Only Eidolons are able to see and speak to the Great Spirits of the world. Only Eidolons have the power to reshape the lands according to their wills.

Within Empyrean, these beings are regarded with respect, both among their own kind and among the other races of the world. Even the weakest and youngest of their kind are capable and powerful beyond measure, and their requests and wills are not to be taken lightly or denied outright.

An Eidolon’s heart is formed by certain traits, called Persona Traits, that grant him powers linked to his desires and deeds. An Eidolon who possesses deep curiosity is able to open a third eye and see many mysteries. One who is filled with envy can repaint his flesh to look however he desires. One with a cold, solitary heart can create ice and chill with a touch or a breath. As he lives on and acquires more traits, an Eidolon will acquire more and more power and change his face many times. Only by experiencing the breadth of emotion and deed – the highest goods and darkest evils, the purest ideals and most decadent pleasures – can an Eidolon unlock his full potential and become what he must be in order
to rebuild the world.

An innate desire to restore the world rests within all Eidolons. Perhaps it is put there by the spirits of Anima, or perhaps it is a simple extension of their personal connections to the world. No matter what the case, every Eidolon wishes to see Empyrean restored to its full glory. While all Eidolons share in this desire, there are many differing views on how it must be done. Eidolons mark the lands they unlock with a tinge of their own personalities, and thus, each rebuilds the world according to his own image of a perfect Empyrean. This great power is easily coveted, and there is much dissent among the Eidolons over whose right it is to rebuild Grand Cornerstone and reshape the world.

Most Eidolons are born as Nascent, the tribal races that inhabit Empyrean, though this is not always the case. Some are formed by the Great Spirits in order to execute their bidding. Others are born directly from the land, and instinctively know the will of Grand Cornerstone in their hearts.

We will play as beginner Eidolons, former normal people who suddenly become, practically, living gods. As living tabula rasa, or blank slates, our actions will define our character and they would develop character traits, these traits would be the source of our powers. But the world is not filled with Eidolons alone.

Link to the OOC: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=277159


The Blazing Aura wrote:Try again on the new cafe?
link: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490
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Nice 3000'th post.

that just makes it better.

Keep it alive!

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Quavv
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Ex-Nation

Postby Quavv » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:19 pm

RP Name: Nationstates RP w/Map
RP Creator: Quavv
Type: Nation
Genre/s: Military Action/Political Conflict
Detailed Description: There really is no plot to this RP. It's whatever you want to make it. Basically, I have a map of Earth and all RPers will select a location for their nationstates nation. Once the IC starts, it will most likely end up being a national development race and massive landgrabs as nations try to expand. Come join!
Link to the OOC: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=283144
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:26 pm

Quavv wrote:RP Name: Nationstates RP w/Map
RP Creator: Quavv
Type: Nation
Genre/s: Military Action/Political Conflict
Detailed Description: There really is no plot to this RP. It's whatever you want to make it. Basically, I have a map of Earth and all RPers will select a location for their nationstates nation. Once the IC starts, it will most likely end up being a national development race and massive landgrabs as nations try to expand. Come join!
Link to the OOC: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=283144

Do you notice anything strange about the cafe? Namely, it lost its special bulb and is trying hard to be buried?

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490
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Ayreonia
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Postby Ayreonia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:28 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Quavv wrote:RP Name: Nationstates RP w/Map
RP Creator: Quavv
Type: Nation
Genre/s: Military Action/Political Conflict
Detailed Description: There really is no plot to this RP. It's whatever you want to make it. Basically, I have a map of Earth and all RPers will select a location for their nationstates nation. Once the IC starts, it will most likely end up being a national development race and massive landgrabs as nations try to expand. Come join!
Link to the OOC: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=283144

Do you notice anything strange about the cafe? Namely, it lost its special bulb and is trying hard to be buried?

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490

Besides, this ain't II.
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Natair
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Postby Natair » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:41 pm

Neo Arcad wrote:
Ravenflight wrote:I have an idea for a new rp if anyone wants to steal it. Three words. L.A Nories based :p

Spelled wrong. It's "noir". And it's four words- Los Angeles Noir-based.

0/10

L.A. Noire is a game /).-

Edit: God how old is that post? I just clicked to my "unread posts"
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Quavv
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Postby Quavv » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:46 pm

Sorry, just tryin to kick start my RP.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:39 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Quavv wrote:RP Name: Nationstates RP w/Map
RP Creator: Quavv
Type: Nation
Genre/s: Military Action/Political Conflict
Detailed Description: There really is no plot to this RP. It's whatever you want to make it. Basically, I have a map of Earth and all RPers will select a location for their nationstates nation. Once the IC starts, it will most likely end up being a national development race and massive landgrabs as nations try to expand. Come join!
Link to the OOC: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=283144

Do you notice anything strange about the cafe? Namely, it lost its special bulb and is trying hard to be buried?

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490


No, we are using this for quoting post. Mainly.
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Altito Asmoro wrote:You people can call me...AA. Or Alt.
Or Tito.

I'm calling you "non-aligned comrade."

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Firsthome
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Postby Firsthome » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:27 pm

Is anyone ever going to start a Paranoia RP

Ya know, The game Paranoia "the computer is happy, the computer is crazy, the computer wants you to be happy, this will drive you crazy" thing?
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Postby Tiltjuice » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:33 pm

Firsthome wrote:Is anyone ever going to start a Paranoia RP

Ya know, The game Paranoia "the computer is happy, the computer is crazy, the computer wants you to be happy, this will drive you crazy" thing?


You'll want to ask here, First. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=281490 *nods*
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Postby Rupudska » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:38 am

I propose this thread be Archived so people can start noticing the new one instead.
The Holy Roman Empire of Karlsland (MT/FanT & FT/FanT)
THE Strike Witches NationState | Retired King of P2TM
Best thread ever.
MT Factbook/FT Factbook|Embassy|Q&A
On Karlsland Witch Doctrine:
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seem to be blowing up everyones banks
with airstrikes from girls with wings to their knees
which show a bit more than just their panties

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Rupudska wrote:So do you fight with AK-47s or something even more primitive? Since I doubt any economy could reasonably sustain itself that way.
Presumably they use advanced technology like STRIKE WITCHES

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:26 am

Rupudska wrote:I propose this thread be Archived so people can start noticing the new one instead.


No, because we might have to quote shit from this thread.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:36 am

Rupudska wrote:I propose this thread be Archived so people can start noticing the new one instead.


I had proposed this once, and now I am against it, as we need this to quote things.
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Altito Asmoro wrote:You people can call me...AA. Or Alt.
Or Tito.

I'm calling you "non-aligned comrade."

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Postby StarArmy » Tue May 06, 2014 2:09 pm

Since this thread is still linked from The Think Tank, I request that the opening post be edited to include a definition for the acronym P2TM, since it's not immediately clear to newcomers that it refers to the Portal To The Multiverse forum. A link to the the P2TM Depot thread would be great, too.
The Star Army is the military arm of the Yamatai Star Empire (FT, RP).

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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Tue May 06, 2014 2:12 pm

StarArmy wrote:Since this thread is still linked from The Think Tank, I request that the opening post be edited to include a definition for the acronym P2TM, since it's not immediately clear to newcomers that it refers to the Portal To The Multiverse forum. A link to the the P2TM Depot thread would be great, too.

My mistake. I'll get right on it.

Done! If there's still anything missing, please send me a TG so I can fix it.
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The Grey Wolf
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue May 06, 2014 2:17 pm

Anyone else think that alpaca with a mustache look familiar?

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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Tue May 06, 2014 2:18 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:Anyone else think that alpaca with a mustache look familiar?

I...huh?


Anyway, since this thread is no longer in use. A general announcement:
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