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Do you support an opt-out of Gameplay (specifically R/D) for P2TM Regions?

Yes.
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65%
Nah.
17
12%
I don't care.
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Total votes : 139

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Postby Ayreonia » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:30 pm

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Prospect Landings wrote:Gvozdevsk, I'm not saying your attempts at tactical realism are bad. I'm saying you should examine the thematic structure of your story, and perhaps modify it to give it a wider appeal for P2TM's military RP demographic.


The only way to have broad appeal is to resort to fighting generic brown Muslims in generic desert country as Captain Generic the generic US Marine. I'm more knowledgeable on Commonwealth armies and the Russian military than I am on the American military so naturally I would try to gravitate to those before the American military, but nobody wants to RP as soldiers that aren't American other than me.

Make up fictional countries?

I tried to make a miliRP once. It would have been based on a war between two made-up countries, Antediluvia and Precambria. The soldiers would have been conscripts, and instead of fighting, the focus would've been on bitching about the weather.

It got like one app.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:32 pm

Elfen High is a military rp.

Kinda.

Sorta.

Technically.

Well, the students are mostly intended to be an army, and are stopped because of Crowley's incompetence.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:33 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Elfen High is a military rp.

Kinda.

Sorta.

Technically.

Well, the students are mostly intended to be an army, and are stopped because of Crowley's incompetence.

I'm sure I'll find time to read Elfen High when you sell the rights to a Japanese animation company.
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Postby Constaniana » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:34 pm

Prospect Landings wrote:
Gvozdevsk wrote:
The only way to have broad appeal is to resort to fighting generic brown Muslims in generic desert country as Captain Generic the generic US Marine. I'm more knowledgeable on Commonwealth armies and the Russian military than I am on the American military so naturally I would try to gravitate to those before the American military, but nobody wants to RP as soldiers that aren't American other than me.


Look beyond ironic racial terms. What do brown people represent ideologically? What do marines? The flags your characters' wear on their shoulders are irrelevant.

The brown people represent baddies to shoot. The marines represent goodies to shoot said baddies. And the countries the soldiers are from do make a difference. A RP about Soviet troops in WWII would be a lot different from Italian ones.
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Postby Tiltjuice » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:35 pm

Gvozdevsk wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:Gvozdevsk, I'm not saying your attempts at tactical realism are bad. I'm saying you should examine the thematic structure of your story, and perhaps modify it to give it a wider appeal for P2TM's military RP demographic.


The only way to have broad appeal is to resort to fighting generic brown Muslims in generic desert country as Captain Generic the generic US Marine. I'm more knowledgeable on Commonwealth armies and the Russian military than I am on the American military so naturally I would try to gravitate to those before the American military, but nobody wants to RP as soldiers that aren't American other than me.


I do. Make a Far East Asian military RP and I'll be in line.
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Ayreonia
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Postby Ayreonia » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:36 pm

Prospect Landings wrote:
Gvozdevsk wrote:
The only way to have broad appeal is to resort to fighting generic brown Muslims in generic desert country as Captain Generic the generic US Marine. I'm more knowledgeable on Commonwealth armies and the Russian military than I am on the American military so naturally I would try to gravitate to those before the American military, but nobody wants to RP as soldiers that aren't American other than me.


Look beyond ironic racial terms. What do brown people represent ideologically? What do marines? The flags your characters' wear on their shoulders are irrelevant.

No, they do matter. Make a RP about Marines or Seals, and you're guaranteed to get at least a few players.
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Postby Prospect Landings » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:36 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:
Look beyond ironic racial terms. What do brown people represent ideologically? What do marines? The flags your characters' wear on their shoulders are irrelevant.

The brown people represent baddies to shoot. The marines represent goodies to shoot said baddies. And the countries the soldiers are from do make a difference. A RP about Soviet troops in WWII would be a lot different from Italian ones.


I'm talking subtextually, you're performing a diegetic rundown.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:38 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:
Look beyond ironic racial terms. What do brown people represent ideologically? What do marines? The flags your characters' wear on their shoulders are irrelevant.

The brown people represent baddies to shoot. The marines represent goodies to shoot said baddies. And the countries the soldiers are from do make a difference. A RP about Soviet troops in WWII would be a lot different from Italian ones.

One is about a group of soldiers forced to fight a technologically superior enemy for a madman who rules the nation like a supervillain, while being spoon-fed inaccurate propaganda; and the other follows the Red Army.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:39 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Elfen High is a military rp.

Kinda.

Sorta.

Technically.

Well, the students are mostly intended to be an army, and are stopped because of Crowley's incompetence.

I'm sure I'll find time to read Elfen High when you sell the rights to a Japanese animation company.

Japan can't handle Elfen High.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:40 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'm sure I'll find time to read Elfen High when you sell the rights to a Japanese animation company.

Japan can't handle Elfen High.

Then I hope Indian animation breaks out into the mainstream.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:45 pm

As a side note, a while back I started up a mercenary rp set in South Africa.

South Africa is 80% black.

Almost everyone became a white person.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:46 pm

Ayreonia wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:
Look beyond ironic racial terms. What do brown people represent ideologically? What do marines? The flags your characters' wear on their shoulders are irrelevant.

No, they do matter. Make a RP about Marines or Seals, and you're guaranteed to get at least a few players.


Because every II RPer wants everyone to believe he is a RL Marine, preferably a badass one. We get overflow.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:As a side note, a while back I started up a mercenary rp set in South Africa.

South Africa is 80% black.

Almost everyone became a white person.


And then you had those who didn't even have a race, because magitech.
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Postby Prospect Landings » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:47 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:As a side note, a while back I started up a mercenary rp set in South Africa.

South Africa is 80% black.

Almost everyone became a white person.


It's easier for us to imagine we are mecha pilots and space wizards than ourselves but "black".
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:48 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:No, they do matter. Make a RP about Marines or Seals, and you're guaranteed to get at least a few players.


Because every II RPer wants everyone to believe he is a RL Marine, preferably a badass one. We get overflow.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:As a side note, a while back I started up a mercenary rp set in South Africa.

South Africa is 80% black.

Almost everyone became a white person.


And then you had those who didn't even have a race, because magitech.

Well, your character was...unique. :p
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:49 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Because every II RPer wants everyone to believe he is a RL Marine, preferably a badass one. We get overflow.



And then you had those who didn't even have a race, because magitech.

Well, your character was...unique. :p


I never did get to finish that quest for pants.

One of these days, before you leave, you should remake that. I never did get to find out what your villain was.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:50 pm

Prospect Landings wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:As a side note, a while back I started up a mercenary rp set in South Africa.

South Africa is 80% black.

Almost everyone became a white person.


It's easier for us to imagine we are mecha pilots and space wizards than ourselves but "black".

My characters tend to be pretty diverse. I myself am Indian, but my main character in EH is a white Briton. I also have a bunch of Indian, American, Japanese and Latino characters.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:50 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Well, your character was...unique. :p


I never did get to finish that quest for pants.

One of these days, before you leave, you should remake that. I never did get to find out what your villain was.

I plan to try and do it if I get time.
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Postby Gvozdevsk » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:28 pm

Tiltjuice wrote:I do. Make a Far East Asian military RP and I'll be in line.


An idea I had once involved Japan being invaded by the Red Army in an alternate Cold War, with players being able to take the role of either a JGSDF or Red Army soldier.

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Postby Harkback Union » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:29 pm

Uhm, would anyone be interested in a 1984 RP?

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Postby The balkens » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:31 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Gvozdevsk wrote:
The only way to have broad appeal is to resort to fighting generic brown Muslims in generic desert country as Captain Generic the generic US Marine. I'm more knowledgeable on Commonwealth armies and the Russian military than I am on the American military so naturally I would try to gravitate to those before the American military, but nobody wants to RP as soldiers that aren't American other than me.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:03 pm

Harkback Union wrote:Uhm, would anyone be interested in a 1984 RP?

Elaborate.

1984 was a book about dystopia and how it never be beaten. That's hard to make an rp.
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Postby Corvus Metallum » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:18 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Uhm, would anyone be interested in a 1984 RP?

Elaborate.

1984 was a book about dystopia and how it never be beaten. That's hard to make an rp.

Specifically because the Party had, in effect, created a consensus reality for it's people to live in and thus was able to shape and alter history to it's every whim.

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Postby Constaniana » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:19 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Uhm, would anyone be interested in a 1984 RP?

Elaborate.

1984 was a book about dystopia and how it never be beaten. That's hard to make an rp.

I'd tell you how I'd do it. Bad stuff is happening, right? Minitrue is junking up history again, government employees are getting subjected to brainwashing and bullet wounds to the head because they made out during their coffee break, all that jazz. Then, right as Big Brother's making another speech because he's evil the transmission changes to showing Old Glory fluttering heroically in the breeze that blows across the amber waves of grain as some apple pie is being cooked with The Battle Hymn of the Republic being played in the background, when George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Superman crash through the walls of reality atop majestic bald eagles, leading the US army behind them to whoop evil's sorry ass.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:20 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Elaborate.

1984 was a book about dystopia and how it never be beaten. That's hard to make an rp.

I'd tell you how I'd do it. Bad stuff is happening, right? Minitrue is junking up history again, government employees are getting subjected to brainwashing and bullet wounds to the head because they made out during their coffee break, all that jazz. Then, right as Big Brother's making another speech because he's evil the transmission changes to showing Old Glory fluttering heroically in the breeze that blows across the amber waves of grain as some apple pie is being cooked with The Battle Hymn of the Republic being played in the background, when George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Superman crash through the walls of reality atop majestic bald eagles, leading the US army behind them to whoop evil's sorry ass.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:21 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Elaborate.

1984 was a book about dystopia and how it never be beaten. That's hard to make an rp.

I'd tell you how I'd do it. Bad stuff is happening, right? Minitrue is junking up history again, government employees are getting subjected to brainwashing and bullet wounds to the head because they made out during their coffee break, all that jazz. Then, right as Big Brother's making another speech because he's evil the transmission changes to showing Old Glory fluttering heroically in the breeze that blows across the amber waves of grain as some apple pie is being cooked with The Battle Hymn of the Republic being played in the background, when George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Superman crash through the walls of reality atop majestic bald eagles, leading the US army behind them to whoop evil's sorry ass.

I just felt patriotic for a country I'm not a citizen of.
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