Those glorious days (AWRP) OOC, Semi-Closed

[Carathon]

I mean there's no reason to not have things licensed and produced locally or even have a factory built into your country.

I personally plan on licensing either British Lee-Enfields or German Mauser for standard rifle, as well as Fokker planes with H-S engines and modifications.

We use German weaponary and Austrian weaponary both of which were of extremely high qulaity. Well, Austrian weaponary.

[Neros]

*recalls the Triple Alliance of World War 1 and the Italians' Turncoat*

...I don't know man, I just don't know. I'm all for a peace agreement and stuff, but I know for a fact that both Serbia and Italy will act within their own interests. Plus, do you want to attack a nation that's main land area is the Swiss Alps? I kinda don't due to the logistical reasons and that the Austrians will be at every advantage while we just throw soldiers into the meat grinder.

Of course, the reasons for Italy not going with the Triple Alliance is well understood and pretty much makes sense regardless.

Thing is, we only want the flatter lands which they occupy in the north of the country, which is basically low hills and other farmland, as in the countryside around Milan.

I see, I see. Wouldn't you be at a loss for population due to the absence of Piedmont, Northern Italia, and Lombardy though? It will be a hard-fought campaign nonetheless, as I'd imagine most of Austrian defenses will be in Italy since the Alps serve as a natural fortress to begin with, you know? You'd have clear Naval advantage and perhaps willpower to unite the "Lost Italian Territories" or something compared to the Austrians which will be mainly "Defend the Kaiserreich!"

[Geradin Empire]

I mean there's no reason to not have things licensed and produced locally or even have a factory built into your country.

I personally plan on licensing either British Lee-Enfields or German Mauser for standard rifle, as well as Fokker planes with H-S engines and modifications.

We use German weaponary and Austrian weaponary both of which were of extremely high qulaity. Well, Austrian weaponary.

Are you just telling me for sake of telling me or saying you won't let H-S be part of your industry or trying to promote Mauser?

[Neros]

I mean there's no reason to not have things licensed and produced locally or even have a factory built into your country.

I personally plan on licensing either British Lee-Enfields or German Mauser for standard rifle, as well as Fokker planes with H-S engines and modifications.

I'm using actual Serbian equipment, with some better things sprinkled in as well as some earlier equipment so that all of my military is properly equipped and trained. I just don't want to have to rely on someone else for my goods so that if we have a falling out, you don't just recall my industrial facilities and leave me high and dry, you know? I'd like to pay for a few factories so that some people can get a basic understanding, and then Serbian versions are developed from it. Payment will be handsome and such.

I really need to make a graphic for my economy.

EDIT: I too use a Mauser - the actual Serb variant made in 1899 and 1909 heh. Also the 1871 version which is mainly in use for training and if we need to expand our force drastically. I also need to set up my Military doctrines.

[Carathon]

The less mountainous righter side of our border is much more heavily fortified. Also, good luck moving men and supplies through rivers, mountains, mines and constant bombardment. It will be like the Western front, only worse.

To spain - we make most of our own weaponary and even sell some, but if we find any of H-S's equipment superior we'll sure as hell license it.

[New Republic of Egypt]

I take it nobody wants to join the meeting in Montgomery?

[Neros]

I take it nobody wants to join the meeting in Montgomery?

Wait, what? What is it about? I don't read the Newsgroup, I just sort of skim over it.

EDIT: I also know that feel. I sent a diplomatic team to Japan and he hasn't even made a reference to it. Same thing with the Soviet Union. Not even a refusal. *sigh*

[Andonam]

I take it nobody wants to join the meeting in Montgomery?

Nobody loves you/

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I take it nobody wants to join the meeting in Montgomery?

Hmm?

[Costa Fiero]

I see, I see. Wouldn't you be at a loss for population due to the absence of Piedmont, Northern Italia, and Lombardy though? It will be a hard-fought campaign nonetheless, as I'd imagine most of Austrian defenses will be in Italy since the Alps serve as a natural fortress to begin with, you know? You'd have clear Naval advantage and perhaps willpower to unite the "Lost Italian Territories" or something compared to the Austrians which will be mainly "Defend the Kaiserreich!"

We can simply do what the other Empires did and draft in men from the colonies. After all, British Indian troops and French Senegalese troops fought in the trenches of Europe. And my 35 million population was taken from around 1911 according to the Wikipedia article so I can just transfer the loss of population on the Italian peninsular and spread it around the colonies. And don't forget: the Italian Army had 400,000 men in 1915, which is around the time I want to attack.

And besides, if Yugoslavia ended up fighting, we'd just simply sink the Austro-Hugarian fleet in the Adriatic and send shiploads of men and materiel across to help out anyway.

Although I am looking forward to a WW2 era RP. It is actually surprising to note how many weapons in Italian service then were actually superior to the ones in German service.

[Carathon]

I see, I see. Wouldn't you be at a loss for population due to the absence of Piedmont, Northern Italia, and Lombardy though? It will be a hard-fought campaign nonetheless, as I'd imagine most of Austrian defenses will be in Italy since the Alps serve as a natural fortress to begin with, you know? You'd have clear Naval advantage and perhaps willpower to unite the "Lost Italian Territories" or something compared to the Austrians which will be mainly "Defend the Kaiserreich!"

We can simply do what the other Empires did and draft in men from the colonies. After all, British Indian troops and French Senegalese troops fought in the trenches of Europe. And my 35 million population was taken from around 1911 according to the Wikipedia article so I can just transfer the loss of population on the Italian peninsular and spread it around the colonies. And don't forget: the Italian Army had 400,000 men in 1915, which is around the time I want to attack.

And besides, if Yugoslavia ended up fighting, we'd just simply sink the Austro-Hugarian fleet in the Adriatic and send shiploads of men and materiel across to help out anyway.

Although I am looking forward to a WW2 era RP. It is actually surprising to note how many weapons in Italian service then were actually superior to the ones in German service.

Since our coasts are small they are heavily fortifed and since your navy is modernized and probably superior we'll just use our's in a defense role, in which they are REALLY good at. ( Our navy is outdated but very heavily armored and armed but unbelivably slow. )

Also how are you going to supply your men by sea if you can't capture any of our ports behind our mountains and defensive lines?

Also it's just the Austrian Empire. The dual monarchy was ended and the Habsburg disposed.

[Geradin Empire]

I'm using actual Serbian equipment, with some better things sprinkled in as well as some earlier equipment so that all of my military is properly equipped and trained. I just don't want to have to rely on someone else for my goods so that if we have a falling out, you don't just recall my industrial facilities and leave me high and dry, you know? I'd like to pay for a few factories so that some people can get a basic understanding, and then Serbian versions are developed from it. Payment will be handsome and such.

I really need to make a graphic for my economy.

Licensing would actually solve all of that problems, but how about a subsidary? The factories inside your nation, engineer/etc actually working within your nation. It's part of H-S group, however, the industry is administrated under your rule, following your code and legally yours to control (As long as it's not made to criminal activies like drug factory, but I doubt that). Thus me having no leverage or ability to call anything back even if we have fall-outs. You can manufacture your stuff in the factory or H-S products, choice is free. Plus, I try to maintain best relationship possible, and you probably won't seem me having fallout with much nations.

If you're still not satisified, we can move towards licensing. Which would guarente you almost complete freedom from any possibility of anybody recalling anything. Though licensing always were expensive and complicated buisness.

[Neros]

I see, I see. Wouldn't you be at a loss for population due to the absence of Piedmont, Northern Italia, and Lombardy though? It will be a hard-fought campaign nonetheless, as I'd imagine most of Austrian defenses will be in Italy since the Alps serve as a natural fortress to begin with, you know? You'd have clear Naval advantage and perhaps willpower to unite the "Lost Italian Territories" or something compared to the Austrians which will be mainly "Defend the Kaiserreich!"

We can simply do what the other Empires did and draft in men from the colonies. After all, British Indian troops and French Senegalese troops fought in the trenches of Europe. And my 35 million population was taken from around 1911 according to the Wikipedia article so I can just transfer the loss of population on the Italian peninsular and spread it around the colonies. And don't forget: the Italian Army had 400,000 men in 1915, which is around the time I want to attack.

And besides, if Yugoslavia ended up fighting, we'd just simply sink the Austro-Hugarian fleet in the Adriatic and send shiploads of men and materiel across to help out anyway.

Although I am looking forward to a WW2 era RP. It is actually surprising to note how many weapons in Italian service then were actually superior to the ones in German service.

Very true, those Colonial Troops provided the British with some extreme man-power. The Austrians would be dug in hard too - so numbers will be important for your side.

If I did get involved, I'd mainly snipe Hungary and their eastern edge, but then I'd hit the mountains and it'd be uphill from there. I really don't want to right now - I'd rather fight Romania to give my soldiers some combat experience before going against another European Power.

Dude, Italians were a Great Power and were one of the Big Four in Europe - their technology was impressive as hell.

[Costa Fiero]

Since our coasts are small they are fortifed and since your navy is modernized and probably superior we'll just use our's in a defense role, in which they are REALLY good at. ( Our navy is outdated but very heavily armored and armed but unbelivably slow. )

Also how are you going to supply your men by sea if you can't capture any of our ports behind our mountains and defensive lines.

This is of course assuming that Italy attacks first. The scenario that I was describing was Yugoslavia attacking Austria first and Italy coming to their aid.

[Geradin Empire]

To spain - we make most of our own weaponary and even sell some, but if we find any of H-S's equipment superior we'll sure as hell license it.

Well, I mean, you don't need to just buy weapons. H-S had pretty good air plane engines to offer up, and Allies during WW1 made good use of them.

Just throwing my industry out there to keep options open and in-case anybody wants to get something going.

Edit: Would like to see if anybody has their industry to put out as well. So far all I've seen is Austrian ball-bearings...

[Costa Fiero]

Very true, those Colonial Troops provided the British with some extreme man-power. The Austrians would be dug in hard too - so numbers will be important for your side.

It depends on how many soldiers the Austrians have deployed and whether or not they have commitments somewhere else. After all, if they are fighting a war on two fronts, the situation becomes much more difficult. It also depends on where I want to fight. All we want are the industrial centres around Milan and Turin. We already have the agricultural hinterland and the major trading ports, we just need the industrial centres. And possibly Venice.

If I did get involved, I'd mainly snipe Hungary and their eastern edge, but then I'd hit the mountains and it'd be uphill from there. I really don't want to right now - I'd rather fight Romania to give my soldiers some combat experience before going against another European Power.

If you did, you'd not only have the backing of the Italian Army but the Navy as well. And that's vital with an enemy that can hit your ports hard.

Dude, Italians were a Great Power and were one of the Big Four in Europe - their technology was impressive as hell.

I know that but to some extent, so were the Austro-Hungarians. And what ended up happening was another front defined by trench warfare and massive casualty rates.

I actually wonder if the Austrians have any supply disadvantages, seeing as any forces in northern Italy would have to be resupplied via the Alps.

[Neros]

Very true, those Colonial Troops provided the British with some extreme man-power. The Austrians would be dug in hard too - so numbers will be important for your side.

It depends on how many soldiers the Austrians have deployed and whether or not they have commitments somewhere else. After all, if they are fighting a war on two fronts, the situation becomes much more difficult. It also depends on where I want to fight. All we want are the industrial centres around Milan and Turin. We already have the agricultural hinterland and the major trading ports, we just need the industrial centres. And possibly Venice.

If I did get involved, I'd mainly snipe Hungary and their eastern edge, but then I'd hit the mountains and it'd be uphill from there. I really don't want to right now - I'd rather fight Romania to give my soldiers some combat experience before going against another European Power.

If you did, you'd not only have the backing of the Italian Army but the Navy as well. And that's vital with an enemy that can hit your ports hard.

Dude, Italians were a Great Power and were one of the Big Four in Europe - their technology was impressive as hell.

I know that but to some extent, so were the Austro-Hungarians. And what ended up happening was another front defined by trench warfare and massive casualty rates.

I actually wonder if the Austrians have any supply disadvantages, seeing as any forces in northern Italy would have to be resupplied via the Alps.

I also noticed due to the border arrangement on the map, you'd have a problem on the Apennines since they will serve as another natural barrier from Milan and Turin. Of course, this also means the Austrians would have to go through them to fight as well. Port cities should be easy to snipe - Italian Marines were pretty good for their job.

Yes - it does seem like a good show for a Yugoslav-Italian front against Austria, but what's to stop you from coming after Trieste? This is what sparked the whole ordeal...

Well you have to look at what the Austrians were dealt with in WW1 - They had a front against Russia which is where their major military operations were going up against - then Serbia where they had to chase the Serbian Army across the Balkans and suddenly, an Italian campaign from their rear. Their only secure border was with Germany, and Germany was really pissed that they had to fight alongside Austria because I remember the German WW1 Minister saying "Fighting alongside Austria-Hungary is like being chained to a corpse." and that wasn't too far from the truth - a single German Army defeated the Russians in East Prussia while the Austrians couldn't mount great offensives because their own soldiers couldn't speak the same language. If I remember correctly, it took the help of the Bulgarians and German Armies to defeat Serbia because Austria couldn't do it.

Of course, that was their multi-ethnic Empire. This Austria has a stronghold in the Swiss Alps and Switzerland along with their impressive technology. An Austrian-Italian War would be interesting and I can't really call a victor, someone else would have to intervene.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So what have i missed?

[Vorshka]

Why would a general make a public appearance? More importantly, that might set off a chain reaction, like what happened with Franz Ferdinand. You surely do not want a Poland colonized by Japan on your border, do you?

Scandinavia, Lithuania, and Russia would most likely divvy up Poland, and Japan is my ally anyways.....
Waitaminnit....


Hmm...



Maybe I shouldn't kill their general, becuase if they found out it wasn't Poland.....

Don't even think on blaming Tojo's assasination on me,I will bomb the shit out of the Gulf of Finland in no time.

Also Poland isn't enemies with Scandinavia

We are just having hard time with the Soviets.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Scandinavia, Lithuania, and Russia would most likely divvy up Poland, and Japan is my ally anyways.....
Waitaminnit....


Hmm...



Maybe I shouldn't kill their general, becuase if they found out it wasn't Poland.....

Don't even think on blaming Tojo's assasination on me,I will bomb the shit out of the Gulf of Finland in no time.

Also Poland isn't enemies with Scandinavia

We are just having hard time with the Soviets.

Go to war with the soviets and you go to war with britain, and the british navy is alot stronger than the polish navy.

[Neros]

Scandinavia, Lithuania, and Russia would most likely divvy up Poland, and Japan is my ally anyways.....
Waitaminnit....


Hmm...



Maybe I shouldn't kill their general, becuase if they found out it wasn't Poland.....

Don't even think on blaming Tojo's assasination on me,I will bomb the shit out of the Gulf of Finland in no time.

Also Poland isn't enemies with Scandinavia

We are just having hard time with the Soviets.

Poor Poland - no one ever takes them seriously until it's too late, ja?

[Vorshka]

Don't even think on blaming Tojo's assasination on me,I will bomb the shit out of the Gulf of Finland in no time.

Also Poland isn't enemies with Scandinavia

We are just having hard time with the Soviets.

Go to war with the soviets and you go to war with britain, and the british navy is alot stronger than the polish navy.

Who said I want a war with the soviets?I just built the fortresses in case this bolsheviks want to turn me into a socialist republic.

[Neros]

Don't even think on blaming Tojo's assasination on me,I will bomb the shit out of the Gulf of Finland in no time.

Also Poland isn't enemies with Scandinavia

We are just having hard time with the Soviets.

Go to war with the soviets and you go to war with britain, and the british navy is alot stronger than the polish navy.

Speaking of Socialist Britain, what has become of the British Fascist Party and Conservatives? There's also the problem of British Imperialists who are gun-ho about Empire and such.

Oh god....you didn't....purge them did you?

[Vorshka]

Don't even think on blaming Tojo's assasination on me,I will bomb the shit out of the Gulf of Finland in no time.

Also Poland isn't enemies with Scandinavia

We are just having hard time with the Soviets.

Poor Poland - no one ever takes them seriously until it's too late, ja?

Right they all have us as their little plaything....

POLISH-JEWISH PRIDE RISE!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Go to war with the soviets and you go to war with britain, and the british navy is alot stronger than the polish navy.

Who said I want a war with the soviets?I just built the fortresses in case this bolsheviks want to turn me into a socialist republic.

Well, there was thatr skirmish you posted in IC, things seem to be heating up there. And as far as britain is concerned, the only real way you will become a socialist republic is if the people want it, which is why we have been supporting the communists and socialists in your country so much.

Go to war with the soviets and you go to war with britain, and the british navy is alot stronger than the polish navy.

Speaking of Socialist Britain, what has become of the British Fascist Party and Conservatives? There's also the problem of British Imperialists who are gun-ho about Empire and such.

Oh god....you didn't....purge them did you?

Fascists and conservatives can run as heads of their regional soviets and if enough members of it vote for them, they can be the representative of their soviet in the central soviet in London. Imperialists are all dead, it was a civil war to bring down an empire that killed millions os they were not going to leave any of them alive.