Those glorious days (AWRP) OOC, Semi-Closed

[Andonam]

1. Remember, anti-air weapons at this time stank. They coulden't hit jack, and where designed to take out low flying planes. My airships fly much higher then there range.

As far as I am aware, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but howitzers were used in place of dedicated AA systems, yes? I've always been told they were relatively effective.

2. Airplanes also stink. They diden't even have weapons; the best you could do was pistol duel with another piloet, essentially making planes worthless.

Airplanes had guns during the first world war.

Not as I recall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircr ... rliest_use

Granted, they tried to, but measuring the thing was a pain. You had no insturements, no real experance, and were trying to hit something in the sky... they diden't have training for that. Essentially, they only got even remotely decent stuff at the end.

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Not so... fully

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/airwar1914.htm

It wasen't until 1915 that they actually slapped guns on the plane, and even then it was very, very rare. Mostly, you had pistols and rifles you tried to shot yourself; small arms that really woulden't do much. Besides, half the time you'd shred your propeller and crash dead into the dirt too if you tried. I could stick a machine gun on my balloons right from the start, no propeller and minal recoil relative to sheer size of the thing.

[Andonam]

List of nations:
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: Pribram
The Confederate States Of America: New Republicof Egypt
Workers Union of Britain: The Huskar Social Union
Caribbean Union: Soviet Ruk-Tsan
Pacific Union: Kitengenia
Byzantine Empire: Alcia
National Republic of Germany: Gross Germanien
American Union: Chinese Federation
Greater Imperial Japanese Empire: Unicario
The Kingdom of Unified Spain Geraden Empire
Empire of Belgium: The Nuclear Fist
The Holy Imperium of the Austrian Kaiser Reich Carathon
Union of Scandinavia: Ruridova
Greater Serbia (Yugoslavia) Holy Empire of Neros
The Commonwealth of the Bohemian and Moravian Kingdom and the Slovak Protectorate and it's Overseas Territories: Komancza
Republic of China: Danbershan
The First Polish Federation Vorshka
Socialist States of France United Soviet Socialist Republic
Grand Dukedom of Lithuania Andoman
Kingdom of Italy: Costa Fiero

Not there? I beg to differ.

[Carathon]

As far as I am aware, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but howitzers were used in place of dedicated AA systems, yes? I've always been told they were relatively effective.


Airplanes had guns during the first world war.

Not as I recall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircr ... rliest_use

Granted, they tried to, but measuring the thing was a pain. You had no insturements, no real experance, and were trying to hit something in the sky... they diden't have training for that. Essentially, they only got even remotely decent stuff at the end.

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Not so... fully

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/airwar1914.htm

It wasen't until 1915 that they actually slapped guns on the plane, and even then it was very, very rare. Mostly, you had pistols and rifles you tried to shot yourself; small arms that really woulden't do much. Besides, half the time you'd shred your propeller and crash dead into the dirt too if you tried. I could stick a machine gun on my balloons right from the start, no propeller and minal recoil relative to sheer size of the thing.

We're just going to take our longest range guns, make a few adjustments and fire like hell until we eventually hit.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Even so, it is just a balloon. It's going to move quite slowly. Fire things at it enough and you're bound to hit it.

And with the advent of machine gun synchronisation in 1913-14, the concept of armed planes became a full reality.

However, I would say that it would need to be 1914 before we should be able to really use that.

[Andonam]

Just a balloon?

Its a balloon with engines. Is it as fast as a plane? No, but, oxymoronically, its actually probably safer, as its not so much of a ricitey contraption even most military planes in the era were. Besides, a bullet shot up against gravity at that angle for that distance would lose most of its penetrating power; we're not that heavily armored, but flying high enough we can slug a bit off.

But even if they do get shot down... you just brought a humongous pile of fire down on your entire formation. How is THAT a good idea?

I'm not saying we're invisable, but anti-air tech is still pretty bad.

Plus, we have multi compartments, so one tiny bullet hole from a sniper rifle won't take us down (even if it has the power to penetrate)

Its not the best weapon in the world, but they're pretty good.

[Unicario]

List of nations:
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: Pribram
The Confederate States Of America: New Republicof Egypt
Workers Union of Britain: The Huskar Social Union
Caribbean Union: Soviet Ruk-Tsan
Pacific Union: Kitengenia
Byzantine Empire: Alcia
National Republic of Germany: Gross Germanien
American Union: Chinese Federation
Greater Imperial Japanese Empire: Unicario
The Kingdom of Unified Spain Geraden Empire
Empire of Belgium: The Nuclear Fist
The Holy Imperium of the Austrian Kaiser Reich Carathon
Union of Scandinavia: Ruridova
Greater Serbia (Yugoslavia) Holy Empire of Neros
The Commonwealth of the Bohemian and Moravian Kingdom and the Slovak Protectorate and it's Overseas Territories: Komancza
Republic of China: Danbershan
The First Polish Federation Vorshka
Socialist States of France United Soviet Socialist Republic
Grand Dukedom of Lithuania Andoman
Kingdom of Italy: Costa Fiero

Not there? I beg to differ.

He's inactive, and he can't respond. So no.

[Carathon]

Just a balloon?

Its a balloon with engines. Is it as fast as a plane? No, but, oxymoronically, its actually probably safer, as its not so much of a ricitey contraption even most military planes in the era were. Besides, a bullet shot up against gravity at that angle for that distance would lose most of its penetrating power; we're not that heavily armored, but flying high enough we can slug a bit off.

But even if they do get shot down... you just brought a humongous pile of fire down on your entire formation. How is THAT a good idea?

I'm not saying we're invisable, but anti-air tech is still pretty bad.

Plus, we have multi compartments, so one tiny bullet hole from a sniper rifle won't take us down (even if it has the power to penetrate)

Its not the best weapon in the world, but they're pretty good.

I don't think you understand. We're going to take a shit ton of ARTILLEY pieces and fire them off at your HUGE, ( rather ) slow moving ballon of compressed explosive gas. And who said we're going to wait until you get over our formation?

[Andonam]

Just a balloon?

Its a balloon with engines. Is it as fast as a plane? No, but, oxymoronically, its actually probably safer, as its not so much of a ricitey contraption even most military planes in the era were. Besides, a bullet shot up against gravity at that angle for that distance would lose most of its penetrating power; we're not that heavily armored, but flying high enough we can slug a bit off.

But even if they do get shot down... you just brought a humongous pile of fire down on your entire formation. How is THAT a good idea?

I'm not saying we're invisable, but anti-air tech is still pretty bad.

Plus, we have multi compartments, so one tiny bullet hole from a sniper rifle won't take us down (even if it has the power to penetrate)

Its not the best weapon in the world, but they're pretty good.

I don't think you understand. We're going to take a shit ton of ARTILLEY pieces and fire them off at your HUGE, ( rather ) slow moving ballon of compressed explosive gas. And who said we're going to wait until you get over our formation?

Oh yes, because artillery of that day an age could fire at the angle nessicery to do that...

Artillery in the WWI era was mostly horse-drawn, clumsy things. Effiecent, yes, but not very easy to redirect.Your arch would never be high enough; only the best howlitzers and morter could do that. I'm not saying I'm immortal; but people haven't face air power on any respectable level before. They don't know what to do, and never built artillery to hit it.

[Neros]

Just a balloon?

Its a balloon with engines. Is it as fast as a plane? No, but, oxymoronically, its actually probably safer, as its not so much of a ricitey contraption even most military planes in the era were. Besides, a bullet shot up against gravity at that angle for that distance would lose most of its penetrating power; we're not that heavily armored, but flying high enough we can slug a bit off.

But even if they do get shot down... you just brought a humongous pile of fire down on your entire formation. How is THAT a good idea?

I'm not saying we're invisable, but anti-air tech is still pretty bad.

Plus, we have multi compartments, so one tiny bullet hole from a sniper rifle won't take us down (even if it has the power to penetrate)

Its not the best weapon in the world, but they're pretty good.

I don't think you understand. We're going to take a shit ton of ARTILLEY pieces and fire them off at your HUGE, ( rather ) slow moving ballon of compressed explosive gas. And who said we're going to wait until you get over our formation?

1. How will you hit it effectively? Artillery targeting the ground in WW1 was not accurate, it was merely "fire enough shells that we're bound to hit it". I think at the Battle of the Somme the Germans used over 1 million shells for a single position advancement.

2. What good will it do - all it is is a steel frame with cloth and a gas. A shell is not going to ignite it, but simply begin a small deflation process which can take hours to reach any effect.

Not trying to pick a side in the fight, but Zeppelins are fairly good for the era, but as aircraft get better, they will become obsolete, even by the end of the World War.

[Unicario]

Japan will begin pioneering the new frontier.

We bought a French airplane back in 1905... and we're going to use it to better our newly formed IJAF!

[Carathon]

I don't think you understand. We're going to take a shit ton of ARTILLEY pieces and fire them off at your HUGE, ( rather ) slow moving ballon of compressed explosive gas. And who said we're going to wait until you get over our formation?

1. How will you hit it effectively? Artillery targeting the ground in WW1 was not accurate, it was merely "fire enough shells that we're bound to hit it". I think at the Battle of the Somme the Germans used over 1 million shells for a single position advancement.

2. What good will it do - all it is is a steel frame with cloth and a gas. A shell is not going to ignite it, but simply begin a small deflation process which can take hours to reach any effect.

Not trying to pick a side in the fight, but Zeppelins are fairly good for the era, but as aircraft get better, they will become obsolete, even by the end of the World War.

Perhaps your both right.

How high can a zeppelin fly and still fight effectively? If not so high then im pretty sure my engineers can make a few caclucations and modify stantard artilley into a more AA role.

[Neros]

1. How will you hit it effectively? Artillery targeting the ground in WW1 was not accurate, it was merely "fire enough shells that we're bound to hit it". I think at the Battle of the Somme the Germans used over 1 million shells for a single position advancement.

2. What good will it do - all it is is a steel frame with cloth and a gas. A shell is not going to ignite it, but simply begin a small deflation process which can take hours to reach any effect.

Not trying to pick a side in the fight, but Zeppelins are fairly good for the era, but as aircraft get better, they will become obsolete, even by the end of the World War.

Perhaps your both right.

How high can a zeppelin fly and still fight effectively? If not so high then im pretty sure my engineers can make a few caclucations and modify stantard artilley into a more AA role.

At a fairly decent height and speed that calculating the trajectory of the shell to impact the balloon will take some time, but not a physical impossibility.

Of course, their only method of attack will be bomb loads, which will have a minimal effect since there are weight issues with transporting the bombs.

[Geradin Empire]

By artillery, if he means something like these....

but not these

It would be pretty reasonable for slow, large and low moving targets like Zepplin.

Edit: By the way, the top picture was 4 inch gun and bottom was 105mm howitzer.

[Neros]

Eh, I'm going to have some tensions develop between Romania and Greater Serbia. I need to find Polanksi and see if he wants some of the action too, since I'd feel like an aggressive fatty if I was the only one doing the fighting.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Seven pages...Whatd I miss?

[Unicario]

Eh, I'm going to have some tensions develop between Romania and Greater Serbia. I need to find Polanksi and see if he wants some of the action too, since I'd feel like an aggressive fatty if I was the only one doing the fighting.

Gavillo Princip is in your grip. Use him as a catalyst for something...

or he could cause WW1, like last time. lol.

[The Nuclear Fist]

or he could cause WW1, like last time. lol.

Gavillo Princip causes World War One in universes where it cannot exist.

[Unicario]

or he could cause WW1, like last time. lol.

Gavillo Princip causes World War One in universes where it cannot exist.

Well, depends. In this world, Serbia has Bosnia... so what's going to happen?

[Neros]

Gavillo Princip causes World War One in universes where it cannot exist.

Well, depends. In this world, Serbia has Bosnia... so what's going to happen?

Serb+Bosnia = Unstoppable juggernaut. I may use Princip elsewhere to develop a war between Serbia and a player nation. Perhaps an attack against a Socialist nation that will lead to a Fascist-Commie/Socialist War that could serve as the WW1 backdrop.

[Unicario]

Well, depends. In this world, Serbia has Bosnia... so what's going to happen?

Serb+Bosnia = Unstoppable juggernaut. I may use Princip elsewhere to develop a war between Serbia and a player nation. Perhaps an attack against a Socialist nation that will lead to a Fascist-Commie/Socialist War that could serve as the WW1 backdrop.

IT MUST BE OVER BY 1916 OR ELSE I WILL KILL ALL OF EUROPE WITH ATOMIC BOMBS DELIVERED THROUGH TIME MACHINES FROM 2012 JAPAN IN THIS WORLD.

[The Nuclear Fist]

As a backdrop for why Belgium treats the Congo so poorly: As the Congo Free State was transferred from Leopold II's personal control to the control of the Belgian state, the Belgians flirted with the idea of self rule for the Africans. However, in 1908, Albert (on behalf of the Belgian government and the ailing Leopold II) met with Congo dignitaries who were proposed to make up the Congolese parliament. Unfortunately, the excesses and brutality of Belgian rule were no so easily forgiven, and Albert's personal convoy was ambushed by protesters, who blockaded the travel of said convoy. Now, Albert's personal automobile was not actually armoured. One of the protesters managed to get close to the prince's automobile and unloaded five shots in the direction of the royal, one of which struck him, three of which struck his wife, Elisabeth. His wife died shortly afterwards. Upon his returning to Brussels and ascending to the throne, he discarded any hope for reform or better treatment of the Africans.

[Neros]

As a backdrop for why Belgium treats the Congo so poorly: As the Congo Free State was transferred from Leopold II's personal control to the control of the Belgian state, the Belgians flirted with the idea of self rule for the Africans. However, in 1908, Albert (on behalf of the Belgian government and the ailing Leopold II) met with Congo dignitaries who were proposed to make up the Congolese parliament. Unfortunately, the excesses and brutality of Belgian rule were no so easily forgiven, and Albert's personal convoy was ambushed by protesters, who blockaded the travel of said convoy. Now, Albert's personal automobile was not actually armoured. One of the protesters managed to get close to the prince's automobile and unloaded five shots in the direction of the royal, one of which struck him, three of which struck his wife, Elisabeth. His wife died shortly afterwards. Upon his returning to Brussels and ascending to the throne, he discarded any hope for reform or better treatment of the Africans.

That would piss me off too, I suppose.

[The Nuclear Fist]

That would piss me off too, I suppose.

Although he was hardly a friend of the Congolese beforehand, advocating only giving the Congolese representation in the Belgian parliament.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yo Vlad, I intend to make a post about France attacking the part of France controlled by Belgium. Would you object to that?

[Costa Fiero]

Eh, I'm going to have some tensions develop between Romania and Greater Serbia. I need to find Polanksi and see if he wants some of the action too, since I'd feel like an aggressive fatty if I was the only one doing the fighting.

Remember, you have a very irate Italy as your next door neighbour. We're looking for any excuse to get Trieste back.