Those glorious days (AWRP) OOC, Semi-Closed

[Pribram]

Oh, i see ACCEPTED!And now we have even Italy thats great!

Good. It means I can now make demands from the Yugoslavs for the return of Trieste.

And returning of North from Austria

[Vorshka]

I was thinking...what would be the benefits of a Baltic Sea Treaty Organization in this rp?Poland-Lithuania-Germany all in a defensive and trading pact.

[Costa Fiero]

Good. It means I can now make demands from the Yugoslavs for the return of Trieste.

And returning of North from Austria

Oh yeah.

Two countries that will definitely be watching their borders.

[Unicario]

So, Soviet Union. Can you post on our conference?
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[The Nuclear Fist]

Some answer for you. What you're spouting is the real horse-shit here and please, feel free not to bullshit the rest of us. Don't think you can come around conning us your so called "sources" that seems to have zero backing to it. Because guess what, some people just aren't as stupid as you might think and take your bullshit for the face value. You want to "fucking swear whenever you feel like it"? Let us begin.

Oh yes, yes indeed let us begin. You're free to wave off my source, but if you cannot come up with a reason beyond 'herp derp on the internet so it can't be true', then please forgive me for shrugging off your personal attacks.

Never put any single fucking words into your mouth.

Except you did. You made up this argument in your head that you think I was making and then proceeded to viciously attack it. Now, I don't know what you like to do, but attacking straw men shouldn't be one.

Don't put them into mine.

Except I didn't.

You're the one that's bullshitting us for sake of bullshitting.

Incorrect.

You have said yourself Belgium is militarizing with rest of the world. Maybe you need to actually learn what words in English fucking means. Replacing things to new stuff from older stuff costs money nonetheless and that's called modernizing. Much like how China is MODERNIZING its army right now.

You keep using that word, modernizing. I do not think it means what you believe it to mean. China is modernizing because it has allowed its army to become obsolete. You modernize when your military force is obsolete. In reality, during the first world war, Belgium was forced to modernize its military rapidly. In this RP, Belgium kept up to date.

Because you know what? RP isn't about making yourself the best motherfucker on the world.

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. I never said anything of the sort, and I even stated several times that Belgium didn't have the best military in the world, or anywhere close to it. What I said was that Belgium would be, in all likeliness, able to hold off the French attack. Nor did I say that Belgium was the economic king of the world.

If you have a quote of mine saying otherwise, I'd love to see it.

It's about working with challenges or limitations place upon and having fun meanwhile.

I'd sure love to see where I said it was otherwise.

Not your seemingly definiton of "I am better than you".

If you have a quote of mine that shows me saying that, I'd love to see it.

Oh, so you know how the US Defense budget is spent?

Considering that it is public and readily available information, I have a rough idea, yes.

Please, tell us all about it.

Here is a good start. By the way, it has a sourced quote of Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates saying: "This department simply cannot risk continuing down the same path - where our investment priorities, bureaucratic habits and lax attitude towards costs are increasingly divorced from the real threats of today, the growing perils of tomorrow and the nation's grim financial outlook." If that doesn't heavily imply that costs are so high due to bloat, nothing does.

Tell us every single detail and what these bloats are.

To begin, $300 hammers. Hammers have no reason to cost $300.

This is the precisley the kind of bullshit you're spewing all across this and trying to cover up as "facts".

If you had taken five minutes to research your bullshit arguments, you'd realize how much egg is on your face right now.

And my point stands with you proving nothing against it.

Your point has proved nothing.

It spends shitload, more than others, with smaller military than some nations. (And in case you want to split hair with word "some", it means unspecified amount or quantity. So don't even try.)

The US spends more than twice as much money on their military than any other nation on the planet, despite not having any credible enemies. In total, there are two militaries that outnumber the US, China and North Korea. Neither are threats to the United States.

Also, making an issue out of this, seriously?

You brought it up.

Are you that desperate?

Considering you brought it up, it says more about you than I.

I did this to make a case in point, and you seem so desperate to try to find a counter-point that you're hanging on to shits like this.

Desperate? No. What I am us countering a bullshit point you brought up. The fact you can't see that is less than surprising.

You're the real fucking stupid retard here, kiddo.

I am 56, I am not a child. Nor am I either suffering mental retardation or what could be referred to as 'stupid'. Nor would I ever say that you were any of those things, as I don't resort to personal attacks. Why? Because it shows a fundamental lack of credibility in the attacker's arguments, and is against the site rules.

I suggest you take a look at them.

Did I ever call it a financial pit?

You heavily implied that it was either a net loss or the gains were so negligible that it could not possibly fund anything but itself.

You've yet to provide a source showing that, so I am disinclined to believe it.

Did I ever say colonies always went into defeceit?

You heavily implied that colonies in the late stages of colonialism were so expensive that they either provided a net loss on expenditures or had negligible gains. So yes, in a way, you did.

You're the real dumb fucker here, I said colonies were expensive to maintain.

Is that flame supposed to mean I have sex with the unintelligent or that I am unintelligent and enjoy sex? It doesn't make much sense.

Any fucking historian with reasonable sanity agrees.

Any reasonable historian would also point out that, in most cases, they provided a net financial gain to the colonizers.

Did I ever say they don't make money or some of them rich in resources?

You certainly implied it.

I said it and I'll say it again, It just isn't the fucking gold mine you make it out to be.

Show me where I said it was a gold mine, because I'm not seeing it. I said that the Congo is rich in resources, and that those resources are being extracted and used. So you're wrong again. This makes what, two of these posts in a row where you've yet to say a single factual thing?

Don't fucking split sentences and phrase to use them to fit your insignificant and down-right desperate attempt to gain some fucking leverage.

I've got all the leverage I need, my friend. I'm certainly not desperate for it.

You have yet to say anything that is fucking reasonable upon this forum since you entered into it and vast amoun of your "facts" are filled with horse shit and rest of the bullcrap you're trying to shove onto us.

So you've been tracking me for the entirety of my journey on this forum? Since I joined Nationstates? You've personally looked through every post I made and compared it to a database of factual information? What's that, you haven't? Then you're speaking shit to me.

So by all means, prove me wrong.

Oh, so Congo suddenly has all these resources other African countries never had huh?

The Congo is rich in resources. I never said that other parts of Africa aren't. Care to point out where I said only the Congo was rich in resources?

Wow, you really like spouting bullshit over us, don't you?

Is there another poster with my screen name? Because everything I've said is common knowledge.

What are you trying to pull?

Considering you started the argument and have resorted to only ad hominem attacks on me without sourcing your arguments or actually saying anything correct, I could very well say the same about you.

No, the better question is how are you so confident in your own idiocy and lack of information?

Because I am neither stupid nor lacking in information. Nor am I personally attacking you. You, however, have attacked me three times in one post.

If I was you, I would be so ashamed I woulnd't even poke my face in these forums again.

Ashamed of what? Being right?

You certainly are trying to pass yourself off as one, with all your high and mighty strutting and trying to bullshit the rest of us with your so called "facts".

At this point, it just seems that you're condemning facts.

Why don't you try again and actually make it sound reasonable than the total stinking pile of shit you're shovelling out there?

I already have, my friend. You've yet to come up with a decent rebuttal that didn't boil down to 'No, you're wrong because you're wrong and stupid'. Circular logic may work for you, but it doesn't for anyone else.

You never said you could win a war against them?

I said I could gut their attack. Which, if it may have been a case of jumping the gun, is certainly not a case of outright lying as you seem to imply it is.

Maybe you need to check what you say.

You do to, apparently.

Or better yet, maybe you need to get your head checked out.

I don't need a cat scan to know you're bullshitting.

Because at the current rate of shit you're spewing out, one might assume your head is filled with it, too.

Ha. Please feel free to respond when you have something to say that isn't a fallacious, ad hominem attack.

Based on facts, based on real-life economical, industrial, populational, militaristic, every motherfucking co-efficient out there that is there to point this shit out.

Which you've apparently taking no time at all to actually look at.

You're the one covering your so called "facts" with bullshit and trying to sell it to rest of us.

Says the person who has never provided a single scrap of evidence.

It's just too bad one of us actually caught you for what you are trying to sell. Bullshit

I'm not trying to sell anything, my dear. What I am doing is stating facts, and you're responding with trying to hose everything down with ad hominem attacks and snake oil.

Oh Belgium suddenly has all the materials France doesn't.

France doesn't have any colonies and lacks a good chunk of its native lands. In reality, colonial powers got a good portion of their resources from their colonies. France has no colonies, and so a good portion of its materials that it would have if it did have colonies are not available. Really, this isn't a difficult thing to process.

I guess the world is too busy emposing embargo on France and denying them any ability to trade or find resources.

I never said anything of the sort.

You want to hit up the facts again?

That's what I've been doing.

What's the percentage of fatality caused by poison gas in the entire war?

Official figures declare about 1,176,500 non-fatal casualties and 85,000 fatalities directly caused by chemical warfare agents during the course of the war. 17 million people died in the first world war[/url], ten million of which were military personnel.

Compared to that, what's the amount of injuries and ratio that was able to return to field after short treatment?

That figure isn't currently available.

Who's wrong? Once again, you.

I've been right all along. You must have a funny definition of 'wrong'.

It's not me who has to prove that your bullshit is true here, it's you.

I already have, you've yet to back up your arguments.

I don't have the burden of proof, you do.

And I've provided it.

You provide with 1 page that says 1 thing about how "Belgium is the 6th largest economy in the..." crap.

Belgium was the sixth largest economy in the Europe in 1914.

Whilst it may not quite be the world, as I was mistaken, it was the sixth largest in Europe at the time. Of course, this whole point is moot considering that this isn't real.

1 thing in the entire webpage, 1 website in the entire fucking sea of imformation, books and historical records.

One source, and now two sources, compared to your zero.

What's my proof?

That's a good question.

Why don't you actually search up the books, thesis and articles published or, god help us all, go to your so called "historically accurates websites" that are so abundant on google.

There you are, right up there. Now, as I've fulfilled my end, you do the same.

As I said, burden of proof is not on me.

You've claimed I've said things I didn't say, burden of proof is on you.
You've claimed that the majority of colonies were not profitable, burden of proof is on you.

I don't have to waste my time for somebody that decides to try to bullshit everybody.

Why should I go search up books that are not available to me immediately, and take my time to read hundreds of pages when the burden of proof is not upon me?

I've backed up my end, you do the same.

Because saying the shit you try to pass off as fact and saying "discredit otherwise", it's not me you're challenging, it's the history and scholaristic community you're challenging.

I haven't passed anything off as fact other than fact, which is more than can be said for you.

It's not my homework to do, it's yours that you're neglecting and bullshit off as somebody else's.

Like you're one to talk, mate.

And you were giving courtesy? Oh please, spare me this bullshit.

I already have been. You've been the one flaming and spouting bullshit like a fountain on a cow farm.

I saw it way from the start and trying to pull a fast one on us and I called it out for what it was.

You haven't called anything.

Can't handle the truth?

I could ask you the same thing, dear.

Truth too harsh and not courteous enough for you?

You haven't said anything true.

You're the who has to put up or shut up, because so far, all you have done is put up alot of bullshit.

I've backed up my arguments, you haven't.

How about putting up some facts and real figures?

Already have.

You're the one who can't back up your claim to the single itty bity piece of shit.

I have backed up my claims, actually.

Not interested in continuing this?

You've done nothing but repeatedly yell 'bullshit' and spout ad hominem attacks, so no, not particularly.

Well, I suppose it makes sense to continue with your petty little bullcraps and insults after I said basically said "let's both of us leave it at that".

You came right out of the gates attacking me, so I defended myself. You don't get to fuck around and then call it quits, dear.

Such cynical words from somebody who pretends to be this vast vat of truth.

I'm far from cynical, and I've claimed no such thing.

Oh and just in case you're going to say "You had the choice of not reading it or responding to it", well guess what, you had the same choice when you posted your ignorance for the world to see.

The only one who has posted ignorance is you.

So, styling after you, in conclusion, stop bullshitting us with your half-assed and imaginary facts, which you can't even seem to prove.

In conclusion, back your arguments up, stop breaking the rules via flaming, or shut your fucking mouth and be on your way.

If you can actually prove it, go ahead, but it seems you can't.

I already have.

So by all means, don't bother posting anymore of your craps. Because I am not interested in continuing this.
I'll respond to whatever I want, kiddo. That's the freedom of a public forum, you can respond to anything you want to. Don't like it? Leave.

[Danbershan]

Guys can we try and vanquish this Fist-Geradin battle? It will shorten the war by five years and save millions of lives. Can one of our three OPs come and sort some shit out?

[The Nuclear Fist]

Guys can we try and vanquish this Fist-Geradin battle? It will shorten the war by five years and save millions of lives. Can one of our three OPs come and sort some shit out?

I'm sure I didn't help but hey, he started the argument, escalated it, flamed me, and generally made a mountain out of a molehill.

[Danbershan]

Guys can we try and vanquish this Fist-Geradin battle? It will shorten the war by five years and save millions of lives. Can one of our three OPs come and sort some shit out?

I'm sure I didn't help but hey, he started the argument, escalated it, flamed me, and generally made a mountain out of a molehill.

The evidence does seem to lean that way. Seems like GerEmp overreacted to me, but I'll leave it up to the OPs.

[Unicario]

Geradin, Fist, stop arguing.

Geradin, quit flamebaiting Fist. Accept the fact that his Belgium is more overpowered than RL Belgium. The same applies in this sense for China, my own Japan, The Confederacy (which didn't exist in 1912 at all), Serbia, etcetera.

Fist, you could've easily ignored him. I'm not going to reprimand you like a child since, as you said, you are 56 (I didn't know that. Holy shit o.o).

Both of you make nice or I'll use my OP stick.

[Danbershan]

Geradin, Fist, stop arguing.

Geradin, quit flamebaiting Fist. Accept the fact that his Belgium is more overpowered than RL Belgium. The same applies in this sense for China, my own Japan, The Confederacy (which didn't exist in 1912 at all), Serbia, etcetera.

Fist, you could've easily ignored him. I'm not going to reprimand you like a child since, as you said, you are 56 (I didn't know that. Holy shit o.o).

Both of you make nice or I'll use my OP stick.

Please, o OP, forgive us, we know not what we do... yadda yadda

Which nation does Geradin have?

[Unicario]

Geradin, Fist, stop arguing.

Geradin, quit flamebaiting Fist. Accept the fact that his Belgium is more overpowered than RL Belgium. The same applies in this sense for China, my own Japan, The Confederacy (which didn't exist in 1912 at all), Serbia, etcetera.

Fist, you could've easily ignored him. I'm not going to reprimand you like a child since, as you said, you are 56 (I didn't know that. Holy shit o.o).

Both of you make nice or I'll use my OP stick.

Please, o OP, forgive us, we know not what we do... yadda yadda

Which nation does Geradin have?

Greater Spain.

[Chinese Federation]

lol, i just noticed how many commies there are in europe
on another note, apparently both Olympics are going to be held in japan, congratulations

[The Nuclear Fist]

lol, i just noticed how many commies there are in europe

Do not worry, the glorious light of monarchism is still bright and vibrant in the Empire of Belgium.

[Chinese Federation]

i think we should make embassy threads to play out diplomatic dealings

[Geradin Empire]

Guys can we try and vanquish this Fist-Geradin battle? It will shorten the war by five years and save millions of lives. Can one of our three OPs come and sort some shit out?

I'm sure I didn't help but hey, he started the argument, escalated it, flamed me, and generally made a mountain out of a molehill.

Really? You're really trying to go for "I'm innocent and victim" role here, aren't you?

Who escalated it? If you look back, I gave plenty fair warning and try to keep it civil. Who escalated it? You.

Who flamed who? So, I guess brining out a fact is flaming people now? Simple matter of disagreeing is flaming? Demanding evidence for what seems absurd is flaming? Saying that you have no real backing to your "facts" is flaming? How convienient.

Who's the one who made a mountain of a molehill with your egoistic attitude. And statement above is the prcisley the kind of evidence that you're the one who's continuing this on.

Please, cut the BS.

I never refused the fact that Belgium is more powerful than IRL or how it was back then. I refused the statement and the "facts" that he feels so OP, that he can go around pwning France without a single sweat.

[Carathon]

Can't you two handle this in a civil way instead of cursing and yelling at each other madly?

[Unicario]

I'm sure I didn't help but hey, he started the argument, escalated it, flamed me, and generally made a mountain out of a molehill.

Really? You're really trying to go for "I'm innocent and victim" role here, aren't you?

Who escalated it? If you look back, I gave plenty fair warning and try to keep it civil. Who escalated it? You.

Who flamed who? So, I guess brining out a fact is flaming people now? Simple matter of disagreeing is flaming? Demanding evidence for what seems absurd is flaming? Saying that you have no real backing to your "facts" is flaming? How convienient.

Who's the one who made a mountain of a molehill with your egoistic attitude. And statement above is the prcisley the kind of evidence that you're the one who's continuing this on.

Please, cut the BS.

I never refused the fact that Belgium is more powerful than IRL or how it was back then. I refused the statement and the "facts" that he feels so OP, that he can go around pwning France without a single sweat.

CUT IT OUT.

Geradin, Fist, stop arguing.

Geradin, quit flamebaiting Fist. Accept the fact that his Belgium is more overpowered than RL Belgium. The same applies in this sense for China, my own Japan, The Confederacy (which didn't exist in 1912 at all), Serbia, etcetera.

Fist, you could've easily ignored him. I'm not going to reprimand you like a child since, as you said, you are 56 (I didn't know that. Holy shit o.o).

Both of you make nice or I'll use my OP stick.

[Vorshka]

I sense a shitstorm that comes.

It smells...thread op and player fight.....

[Geradin Empire]

Can't you two handle this in a civil way instead of cursing and yelling at each other madly?

We can.

Edit: And Unicario, why don't you stop looking at me and look at the other guy for example?

He could have just left it in the "Spoiler" and it would have ended with me not bothering to even look at the his last response.

But no, instead he drags it out into the open. It's not me who you should be shouting "cut it out" to.

[Unicario]

Can't you two handle this in a civil way instead of cursing and yelling at each other madly?

We can.

Edit: And Unicario, why don't you stop looking at me and look at the other guy for example?

He could have just left it in the "Spoiler" and it would have ended with me not bothering to even look at the his last response.

But no, instead he drags it out into the open. It's not me who you should be shouting "cut it out" to.

I'm telling you both to cut it out.

[Geradin Empire]

I'm telling you both to cut it out.

You didn't shout "CUT IT OUT" when he said something, did you? Also, you specifically quoting only my post while shouting seems to suggest otherwise.

But you know what? Since you said it, I'll take your word for it and cut it out.

[Andonam]

I protest most heartily to Japan getting two olympiads. The Olympics are supposed to be a world event... and getting there from Europe even in this day and age is still a mighty pain.

[Unicario]

I protest most heartily to Japan getting two olympiads. The Olympics are supposed to be a world event... and getting there from Europe even in this day and age is still a mighty pain.

Oh, and going from Japan to Europe isn't just as painful?

[Andonam]

I protest most heartily to Japan getting two olympiads. The Olympics are supposed to be a world event... and getting there from Europe even in this day and age is still a mighty pain.

Oh, and going from Japan to Europe isn't just as painful?

Travel pains to 12 nations vs. Travel Pains to 2

Hm....

[Unicario]

Oh, and going from Japan to Europe isn't just as painful?

Travel pains to 12 nations vs. Travel Pains to 2

Hm....

I won fair and square. Tough nads.