Those glorious days (AWRP) OOC, Semi-Closed

[Bismarx]

The Whites never had more men than the Bolsheviks, their tech was sub-par because the Allies would give them the scraps. The Russian Civil War was hell on Earth, dude. There were Red Armies, Green Armies, Black Armies, White Armies, I'm not kidding, and they all fought against eachother. The Bolsheviks managed to achieve victory simply because the Whites were loosely aligned, some couldn't even decide who was the new Tsar, and the Communist forces were just more in number.

Allied Intervention? You mean when the Czechs managed to fight their way across Siberia and make it to Vladivostok while the Allies landed at Arkhangelsk and instantly look the city from the Red Army? Trotsky tried to make the Red Army a fighting force, and I honestly think he helped the Red's win the Civil War, but the Red Army was not a world fighting force by any means until the Second World War.

It's also to my understanding that Trotsky had a fuckton of Imperial Russian Officers executed for not defecting to the Bolsheviks, depriving them of experienced war-time leaders. Germans to my knowledge did not lead the Russian Armies (I may be wrong) and neither did the Japanese. They had their own business to attend to, like taking the Russian Western areas.

EDIT: On Poland, the Reds made to Warsaw, but the Poles won the Battle of Warsaw and sent the Reds in a full-fledged retreat while the Poles advanced eastwards. The Soviets sued for peace and called a ceasefire, which by all measures and accounts should chalk up to a Polish Victory.

Should I also mention that the Poles were also fighting the Ukraine as well - and beating the crap out of them too?

But there is one major thing you missed this is an alternate history so for now none or only few of these happened.
You must consider also negative factors which helped Germans in attack against Russians 1. Ethnic composition they fought Russians mainly in Poland and Ukraine and we all know that both of them were hostile to Russians. 2. Russia get through war with Japan and unsuccesfull revolution and Russia was paralized by hundreds of strikes. and tons of other problems but Russia still kicked Austria out of Carpathian Rus.

It isn't the fact that it didn't happen, it's more of an example than anything. The argument came from Huskar saying the Red Army was/is a World class military, which it is not. You have numbers, but not leadership, technology or most things. That's pretty normal for a Russian Army.

...And Russia didn't kick Austria out of the Carpathian Rus. Hungary controlled it until it gave up parts to the Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, and Romania. The Red Army took it in their advance in 1944 against Germany. Or is this Alt. Hist? I can't tell.

Sod it ive gone down the neutral diplomatic path, im pulling out of the war and asking all parties to cease battle, read my post in the ic thread. Although there is probably a good chance half of you will still try and kill one another.

As long as the British are no longer threatening Belgium or doing activities in the North Sea, Germany has no beef with the British.

Also, Herbert von Bismarck has been screaming his head off about this peace that you've suddenly come to embrace. Even before the war, Bismarck had the Pan-European Conference going because he knew his was bound to happen.

[The Huskar Social Union]

But there is one major thing you missed this is an alternate history so for now none or only few of these happened.
You must consider also negative factors which helped Germans in attack against Russians 1. Ethnic composition they fought Russians mainly in Poland and Ukraine and we all know that both of them were hostile to Russians. 2. Russia get through war with Japan and unsuccesfull revolution and Russia was paralized by hundreds of strikes. and tons of other problems but Russia still kicked Austria out of Carpathian Rus.

It isn't the fact that it didn't happen, it's more of an example than anything. The argument came from Huskar saying the Red Army was/is a World class military, which it is not. You have numbers, but not leadership, technology or most things. That's pretty normal for a Russian Army.

...And Russia didn't kick Austria out of the Carpathian Rus. Hungary controlled it until it gave up parts to the Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, and Romania. The Red Army took it in their advance in 1944 against Germany. Or is this Alt. Hist? I can't tell.

But the red army did have good leaders, konstantin rokossovsky, vasily chuikov, georgy zhukov, mikhail tukhachevsky. Some of the greatest generals of the 20th century. They had some of the greatest tech of the second world war and after it as well, the T34(called the best allround tank of worldwar two), Mosin Nagant rifles, Ppsh41 smgs, dp28 machine guns, IL2 Sturmovik(most widely produced plane in existance) Ak family of rifles, some of the finest rockets as well. T62 tank when introduced was the most advanced tank on the planet and forced the west to seriously start developing their own tanks which led to the likes of leopard 2s and abrams.

[Bismarx]

It isn't the fact that it didn't happen, it's more of an example than anything. The argument came from Huskar saying the Red Army was/is a World class military, which it is not. You have numbers, but not leadership, technology or most things. That's pretty normal for a Russian Army.

...And Russia didn't kick Austria out of the Carpathian Rus. Hungary controlled it until it gave up parts to the Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, and Romania. The Red Army took it in their advance in 1944 against Germany. Or is this Alt. Hist? I can't tell.

But the red army did have good leaders, konstantin rokossovsky, vasily chuikov, georgy zhukov, mikhail tukhachevsky. Some of the greatest generals of the 20th century. They had some of the greatest tech of the second world war and after it as well, the T34(called the best allround tank of worldwar two), Mosin Nagant rifles, Ppsh41 smgs, dp28 machine guns, IL2 Sturmovik(most widely produced plane in existance) Ak family of rifles, some of the finest rockets as well. T62 tank when introduced was the most advanced tank on the planet and forced the west to seriously start developing their own tanks which led to the likes of leopard 2s and abrams.

>ALL AFTER WORLD WAR 2

>IT'S 1912

Seriously, my point was the Soviets became good during the Second World War and you've proved it. At this time, it is not. We have no Zhukov to topple Hitler's Fortress or T34 spam to defeat the legions of Panzer's. ARG I said this point in the very beginning.

[The Huskar Social Union]

But the red army did have good leaders, konstantin rokossovsky, vasily chuikov, georgy zhukov, mikhail tukhachevsky. Some of the greatest generals of the 20th century. They had some of the greatest tech of the second world war and after it as well, the T34(called the best allround tank of worldwar two), Mosin Nagant rifles, Ppsh41 smgs, dp28 machine guns, IL2 Sturmovik(most widely produced plane in existance) Ak family of rifles, some of the finest rockets as well. T62 tank when introduced was the most advanced tank on the planet and forced the west to seriously start developing their own tanks which led to the likes of leopard 2s and abrams.

>ALL AFTER WORLD WAR 2

>IT'S 1912

Seriously, my point was the Soviets became good during the Second World War and you've proved it. At this time, it is not. We have no Zhukov to topple Hitler's Fortress or T34 spam to defeat the legions of Panzer's. ARG I said this point in the very beginning.

Yeah your right, but that doesnt mean the russian army is that of the russian empire, remember it has went through the russian civil war and upheaval years early, it mightnt be the greatest military, but its alot better than the real life equivelant. Thats what i was trying to say. In RL The red army after the civil war was a great army, it only went down hill in the 1930s due to stalins purges and poor leadership afterwards. Just imagine the army of say 1922-1926 in 1912, not the greatest, but a lot better than the real life russian army at this time.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Reading through the OOC. I thought this was going to be a localized conflict, but it appears to have turned into a World War.

I feel like 1914-era Austro-Hungary right now.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Reading through the OOC. I thought this was going to be a localized conflict, but it appears to have turned into a World War.

I feel like 1914-era Austro-Hungary right now.

Dont feel like that, there is a 35% chance that nations will agree to the peace talks, if not then yeah world war, i think you should prepare accordingly.

[Bismarx]

>ALL AFTER WORLD WAR 2

>IT'S 1912

Seriously, my point was the Soviets became good during the Second World War and you've proved it. At this time, it is not. We have no Zhukov to topple Hitler's Fortress or T34 spam to defeat the legions of Panzer's. ARG I said this point in the very beginning.

Yeah your right, but that doesnt mean the russian army is that of the russian empire, remember it has went through the russian civil war and upheaval years early, it mightnt be the greatest military, but its alot better than the real life equivelant. Thats what i was trying to say. In RL The red army after the civil war was a great army, it only went down hill in the 1930s due to stalins purges and poor leadership afterwards. Just imagine the army of say 1922-1926 in 1912, not the greatest, but a lot better than the real life russian army at this time.

Granted, the Imperial Russian Army was just plain sad at this time. Anything would be an improvement, really.

The Russo-Japanese War is still canon though - that was a reason why the Imperial Army was pretty shitty - or at least showed that they were shitty. Oh well, argument settled. Cheers everyone.

[Carathon]

The Russian army was REALLLY REALLY shity at this time historically. I mean, the Germans kicked their asses so goddamn hard....

Didn't matter because they lost on the Western front.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah your right, but that doesnt mean the russian army is that of the russian empire, remember it has went through the russian civil war and upheaval years early, it mightnt be the greatest military, but its alot better than the real life equivelant. Thats what i was trying to say. In RL The red army after the civil war was a great army, it only went down hill in the 1930s due to stalins purges and poor leadership afterwards. Just imagine the army of say 1922-1926 in 1912, not the greatest, but a lot better than the real life russian army at this time.

Granted, the Imperial Russian Army was just plain sad at this time. Anything would be an improvement, really.

The Russo-Japanese War is still canon though - that was a reason why the Imperial Army was pretty shitty - or at least showed that they were shitty. Oh well, argument settled. Cheers everyone.

Good, now we can determine the fate of the world in london.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The Russian army was REALLLY REALLY shity at this time historically. I mean, the Germans kicked their asses so goddamn hard....

Didn't matter because they lost on the Western front.

You know what the weird thing is, germany lost the most men in the first world war, about 1.8 million dead in the army alone. I was reading a book on it awhile ago, had lists of casualties for each country, russia lost around 1.6 million, asutria hungary around 1.2 million. then france with about 1.2 million

[Bismarx]

Granted, the Imperial Russian Army was just plain sad at this time. Anything would be an improvement, really.

The Russo-Japanese War is still canon though - that was a reason why the Imperial Army was pretty shitty - or at least showed that they were shitty. Oh well, argument settled. Cheers everyone.

Good, now we can determine the fate of the world in london.

Berlin. Pan European Conference was made to settle just this situation.

Otherwise it feels like you're taking the glory when you were an aggressor.

[The Nuclear Fist]

When the war ends, the treaty that ends it an the conference that determines it should be held in Versailles.

The Treaty of Versailles.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Good, now we can determine the fate of the world in london.

Berlin. Pan European Conference was made to settle just this situation.

Otherwise it feels like you're taking the glory when you were an aggressor.

But i offered the talks, how about first conference in London, then one at berlin then the final treaty that ends the war properly at Versaile like Fist said.

[Bismarx]

The Russian army was REALLLY REALLY shity at this time historically. I mean, the Germans kicked their asses so goddamn hard....

Didn't matter because they lost on the Western front.

You know what the weird thing is, germany lost the most men in the first world war, about 1.8 million dead in the army alone. I was reading a book on it awhile ago, had lists of casualties for each country, russia lost around 1.6 million, asutria hungary around 1.2 million. then france with about 1.2 million

Yeah man. The Germans were gods of the battlefield. A lone Field Army that supposed to only hold the Russians at Tannenberg ended up completely destroying it. They had to help the Austrians in the Balkans and on the East while keeping the French and British back on the west and only took 1.8 million casualities? That's impressive.

Of course the Ottomans got it bad. They lost 5 million people in the conflict, which with about 25% of their population.

Berlin. Pan European Conference was made to settle just this situation.

Otherwise it feels like you're taking the glory when you were an aggressor.

But i offered the talks, how about first conference in London, then one at berlin then the final treaty that ends the war properly at Versaile like Fist said.

The Pan European Conference hasn't been cancelled. It was called before the Crisis and was made just to settle a future conflict such as this. You can say I offered the talks before the war even began

But seriously, Pan-Euro in Berlin and a different meeting on the Belgian Crisis in London. Both can be in the same thread.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You know what the weird thing is, germany lost the most men in the first world war, about 1.8 million dead in the army alone. I was reading a book on it awhile ago, had lists of casualties for each country, russia lost around 1.6 million, asutria hungary around 1.2 million. then france with about 1.2 million

Yeah man. The Germans were gods of the battlefield. A lone Field Army that supposed to only hold the Russians at Tannenberg ended up completely destroying it. They had to help the Austrians in the Balkans and on the East while keeping the French and British back on the west and only took 1.8 million casualities? That's impressive.

Of course the Ottomans got it bad. They lost 5 million people in the conflict, which with about 25% of their population.

Yeah i watched a documentary about Tannenberg once, a few years ago, the russians apparently held back or something instead of advancing when they had the chance to take the empty german defenses and maul the germans when they arrived, they waited an additonal few days for more men and the germans ended up taking the positions.

[The Huskar Social Union]

How are we settleing spain? I want to take southern spain and portugal, someone else wanted northern spain, rur wants morocco and sahara, japan wants phillipines and some one elses wants central america.

[Ruridova]

I'm back!

[Kamchatkalia]

How are we settleing spain? I want to take southern spain and portugal, someone else wanted northern spain, rur wants morocco and sahara, japan wants phillipines and some one elses wants central america.

I might take Colombia and Panama, I know that Someone wants to take Panama, but currently Panama has population of 315,000, it's ridiculous to actually be an independent nation. Now if its some sort of Central American Federation, I'd part with it. I'm TGing Brazil to see if he could part with either Ecuador or Venezuela or both if possible. Northern Spain is going to be an NPC until someone takes it.

[The Nuclear Fist]

What month is it in the RP?

[The Huskar Social Union]

What month is it in the RP?

Near the end of February. Two months in and we almost went to the brink of world war.

[Ruridova]

What month is it in the RP?

February.

[Ruridova]

What month is it in the RP?

Near the end of February. Two months in and we almost went to the brink of world war.

A least wait until August, I'd hate to cancel the Stockholm Games.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Near the end of February. Two months in and we almost went to the brink of world war.

A least wait until August, I'd hate to cancel the Stockholm Games.

Yeah one of the reasons i wanted to stop the war, you worked too hard on them imo for them to be ruined

[The Nuclear Fist]

Late February? The last snow was about a week ago. The ground will be soggy, muddy, and wet. It will be cold, the sky will be bleak and overcast. It will be raining.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Late February? The last snow was about a week ago. The ground will be soggy, muddy, and wet. It will be cold, the sky will be bleak and overcast. It will be raining.

Yeah, bad time to wage war as well isnt it.