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[Unicario]

that and Japan has >2.5million active soldiers, with the best navy in Asia. We're one crazy motherfucker.

[Kamchatkalia]

Geradin said he left it with me, i didnt see anyone else claim it, if some one did then ill edit it out, but people wanted to grab the colonies and divide up the spanish land through the IC Thread.

Ah, ok so he let you to control his nation by you i am right?

Here's what we all set up,

I was thinking taking spain and the spanish african territories, the rest would be up for grabs for who ever wants it and change my nation name to Workers Union of Britain Spain and Morocco. Is this alright?

I don't know, you're the Co-OP. Here how about this; a British-backed Socialist/Communist coup d'etat is initiated in Spain, it distracts Spain from its Colonies, as it becomes more serious the Colombians initiate their Bolivarian Revolution, due to the small Spanish army in Colombia it is extreme successful with little causalities, however before Spain surrenders in Colombia they go desperate and blow up the Panama Canal, at this point the Brits have Madrid and cut a deal with that French African nation that ends with them giving military aid in return for Morocco, with you getting Northern Morocco for you getting complete control of the Strait of Gibraltar, as of now France also invades forcing the Balboa-Spain (what would be the Spanish capital) to capitulate, you scramble to set up a Vichy-esque Spanish gov't (only Socialist/Communist) with it you gain control of Southern Spain, Japan annexes the Philippines, and you and Vichy-esque Spain give me (Gran Colombia) reparations. I think that covers a rough outline of the Spanish situation, also keep in mind its just an idea .

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ah, ok so he let you to control his nation by you i am right?

Here's what we all set up,

I don't know, you're the Co-OP. Here how about this; a British-backed Socialist/Communist coup d'etat is initiated in Spain, it distracts Spain from its Colonies, as it becomes more serious the Colombians initiate their Bolivarian Revolution, due to the small Spanish army in Colombia it is extreme successful with little causalities, however before Spain surrenders in Colombia they go desperate and blow up the Panama Canal, at this point the Brits have Madrid and cut a deal with that French African nation that ends with them giving military aid in return for Morocco, with you getting Northern Morocco for you getting complete control of the Strait of Gibraltar, as of now France also invades forcing the Balboa-Spain (what would be the Spanish capital) to capitulate, you scramble to set up a Vichy-esque Spanish gov't (only Socialist/Communist) with it you gain control of Southern Spain, Japan annexes the Philippines, and you and Vichy-esque Spain give me (Gran Colombia) reparations. I think that covers a rough outline of the Spanish situation, also keep in mind its just an idea .

I agreed to it, thats why i posted about the coup and the civil war.

[Unicario]

I wonder what will happen with the Olympics...

[The Huskar Social Union]

I wonder what will happen with the Olympics...

I dont know. Ruridova probably wont be happy. Hmm, i think britain may actually try and end this war before it gets worse.

[Bismarx]

Better wrangle your Soviet ally before he causes the German declaration of war. He seems to think fighting against Japan and Germany+Allies is a fantastic idea.

...And seriously. The Russian Baltic Fleet against the German High Seas Fleet? I don't think the Russians are well-known for their Naval prowess. I think I'll let Poland deal with both them and Scandinavia. Hell, I'll just bombard Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm, Helsinki, then Leningrad while the Poles, Yugoslavs, Austrians, and the like hold the Red Army and chop up their numbers in a Central European Meat Grinder.

Damn it feels good it be gangster.

The soviets are the stronger one of this alliance between france britain and russia, they are basically the head of the international communist alliance. Their navy might not be that good, but the soviet army after the revolution and civil war was one of the best in the world under trotsky and could give a good fight. But it is up to them and france really.

Son this is 1912. The German Army is unbeatable in the field. The Red Army was never good pre-WW2. Stalin had his Purges, Lenin was still eliminating the Whites and trying to stimulate the economy. These guys lost to Finland in the Winter War. Finland. Once the Soviet War Machine kickstarted itself (took 4+ 5 Year Plans and a German Invasion to rile enough incentive to kick some ass) and the Red Army actually started using its War in-depth strategy to shatter the Blitzkrieg at Kursk, break the back of the Southern Army, and render Operation Citadel a failure, is when they became a world-class Army. And even then, they relied on Tank, Soldier, and Artillery spam and stopped at nothing to reach Berlin.

EDIT: I should also recall that the lost to Poland too. Poland.

that and Japan has >2.5million active soldiers, with the best navy in Asia. We're one crazy motherfucker.

That effectively splits the Soviets between two options:

1. Lose it's Far East to Japan while getting slaughtered in Poland and Occupied Romania

2. Stay out of the conflict to keep it's soldiers and territories.

Realpolitk.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The soviets are the stronger one of this alliance between france britain and russia, they are basically the head of the international communist alliance. Their navy might not be that good, but the soviet army after the revolution and civil war was one of the best in the world under trotsky and could give a good fight. But it is up to them and france really.

Son this is 1912. The German Army is unbeatable in the field. The Red Army was never good pre-WW2. Stalin had his Purges, Lenin was still eliminating the Whites and trying to stimulate the economy. These guys lost to Finland in the Winter War. Finland. Once the Soviet War Machine kickstarted itself (took 4+ 5 Year Plans and a German Invasion to rile enough incentive to kick some ass) and the Red Army actually started using its War in-depth strategy to shatter the Blitzkrieg at Kursk, break the back of the Southern Army, and render Operation Citadel a failure, is when they became a world-class Army. And even then, they relied on Tank, Soldier, and Artillery spam and stopped at nothing to reach Berlin.

that and Japan has >2.5million active soldiers, with the best navy in Asia. We're one crazy motherfucker.

That effectively splits the Soviets between two options:

1. Lose it's Far East to Japan while getting slaughtered in Poland and Occupied Romania

2. Stay out of the conflict to keep it's soldiers and territories.

Realpolitk.

If the red army was never good pre world war 2, how did it beat the vastly superior(in numerical terms and rivaled in tech) white armies and the allied forces that ivaded russia in the civil war? and russia has gone thorugh this since 1905 to 1911 in this rp, there was a civil war, the reds emerged victorious, britain fought them with its troops until 1911 when the revolution happened and the empire fell apart, under Trotsky the red army was an effective force,because some of the soldiers they fought in the civil war were german and Japanese and if it was able to do this with only a portion of central russia under its control for half the war, imagine what it would be like to fight against it when it had the whole soviet unions domain under its control. And again, i have no control of the Soviet Union.

edit: And for poland, they only lost to poland, after pushing them all the way back to Warsaw, when they lost that battle due to stalin and and another few soviet generals not working together the war fell apart, if they won it, poland most likely would either been taken over as a new soviet state, or lost alot of land and resources.

[Unicario]

In this timeline, Japan never intervened in Russia, infact, the Soviets should love us, for it was us completely shattering the Whites in the Russo-Japanese War that caused the absolute failure of Russia's government and the Soviet succession.

The Japanese army is very powerful, and has a commanding presence in Manchukuo due to ethnic rivalries.

[Bismarx]

Son this is 1912. The German Army is unbeatable in the field. The Red Army was never good pre-WW2. Stalin had his Purges, Lenin was still eliminating the Whites and trying to stimulate the economy. These guys lost to Finland in the Winter War. Finland. Once the Soviet War Machine kickstarted itself (took 4+ 5 Year Plans and a German Invasion to rile enough incentive to kick some ass) and the Red Army actually started using its War in-depth strategy to shatter the Blitzkrieg at Kursk, break the back of the Southern Army, and render Operation Citadel a failure, is when they became a world-class Army. And even then, they relied on Tank, Soldier, and Artillery spam and stopped at nothing to reach Berlin.



That effectively splits the Soviets between two options:

1. Lose it's Far East to Japan while getting slaughtered in Poland and Occupied Romania

2. Stay out of the conflict to keep it's soldiers and territories.

Realpolitk.

If the red army was never good pre world war 2, how did it beat the vastly superior(in numerical terms and rivaled in tech) white armies and the allied forces that ivaded russia in the civil war? and russia has gone thorugh this since 1905 to 1911 in this rp, there was a civil war, the reds emerged victorious, britain fought them with its troops until 1911 when the revolution happened and the empire fell apart, under Trotsky the red army was an effective force,because some of the soldiers they fought in the civil war were german and Japanese and if it was able to do this with only a portion of central russia under its control for half the war, imagine what it would be like to fight against it when it had the whole soviet unions domain under its control. And again, i have no control of the Soviet Union.

The Whites never had more men than the Bolsheviks, their tech was sub-par because the Allies would give them the scraps. The Russian Civil War was hell on Earth, dude. There were Red Armies, Green Armies, Black Armies, White Armies, I'm not kidding, and they all fought against eachother. The Bolsheviks managed to achieve victory simply because the Whites were loosely aligned, some couldn't even decide who was the new Tsar, and the Communist forces were just more in number.

Allied Intervention? You mean when the Czechs managed to fight their way across Siberia and make it to Vladivostok while the Allies landed at Arkhangelsk and instantly look the city from the Red Army? Trotsky tried to make the Red Army a fighting force, and I honestly think he helped the Red's win the Civil War, but the Red Army was not a world fighting force by any means until the Second World War.

It's also to my understanding that Trotsky had a fuckton of Imperial Russian Officers executed for not defecting to the Bolsheviks, depriving them of experienced war-time leaders. Germans to my knowledge did not lead the Russian Armies (I may be wrong) and neither did the Japanese. They had their own business to attend to, like taking the Russian Western areas.

EDIT: On Poland, the Reds made to Warsaw, but the Poles won the Battle of Warsaw and sent the Reds in a full-fledged retreat while the Poles advanced eastwards. The Soviets sued for peace and called a ceasefire, which by all measures and accounts should chalk up to a Polish Victory.

Should I also mention that the Poles were also fighting the Ukraine as well - and beating the crap out of them too?

[Unicario]

Historically, Japan did help intervene, and had the greatest success, annexing most of Khabarovsk and most of Far East Russia, but later withdrew at the behest of the Allied requests.

[Carathon]

No one can say shit about our occupation of Romania anymore.

[The Huskar Social Union]

No one can say shit about our occupation of Romania anymore.

Oh yeah austria yugoslavia and poland are cutting it up into three parts or something right?

[Carathon]

No one can say shit about our occupation of Romania anymore.

Oh yeah austria yugoslavia and poland are cutting it up into three parts or something right?

Yep.

Read our article on it, I just posted it.

It has kittens

[Bismarx]

Historically, Japan did help intervene, and had the greatest success, annexing most of Khabarovsk and most of Far East Russia, but later withdrew at the behest of the Allied requests.

I see, so the Japanese helped establish a Communist state in Russia by cutting off the Whites in the East?

[Carathon]

Historically, Japan did help intervene, and had the greatest success, annexing most of Khabarovsk and most of Far East Russia, but later withdrew at the behest of the Allied requests.

I see, so the Japanese helped establish a Communist state in Russia by cutting off the Whites in the East?

Germany, we'll accept an alliance.

[Unicario]

Historically, Japan did help intervene, and had the greatest success, annexing most of Khabarovsk and most of Far East Russia, but later withdrew at the behest of the Allied requests.

I see, so the Japanese helped establish a Communist state in Russia by cutting off the Whites in the East?

Relatively speaking, yes. Japan wasn't exactly helping the Soviets, they were just operating for their own territorial gain.

[Neros]

No one can say shit about our occupation of Romania anymore.

Oh yeah austria yugoslavia and poland are cutting it up into three parts or something right?

Damn right we are. I'll make a newspost about it right now. I'll also include another Serbian mobilization on an expected Russian Front, this time it will be defensive in nature.

[The Huskar Social Union]

If the red army was never good pre world war 2, how did it beat the vastly superior(in numerical terms and rivaled in tech) white armies and the allied forces that ivaded russia in the civil war? and russia has gone thorugh this since 1905 to 1911 in this rp, there was a civil war, the reds emerged victorious, britain fought them with its troops until 1911 when the revolution happened and the empire fell apart, under Trotsky the red army was an effective force,because some of the soldiers they fought in the civil war were german and Japanese and if it was able to do this with only a portion of central russia under its control for half the war, imagine what it would be like to fight against it when it had the whole soviet unions domain under its control. And again, i have no control of the Soviet Union.

The Whites never had more men than the Bolsheviks, their tech was sub-par because the Allies would give them the scraps. The Russian Civil War was hell on Earth, dude. There were Red Armies, Green Armies, Black Armies, White Armies, I'm not kidding, and they all fought against eachother. The Bolsheviks managed to achieve victory simply because the Whites were loosely aligned, some couldn't even decide who was the new Tsar, and the Communist forces were just more in number.

Allied Intervention? You mean when the Czechs managed to fight their way across Siberia and make it to Vladivostok while the Allies landed at Arkhangelsk and instantly look the city from the Red Army? Trotsky tried to make the Red Army a fighting force, and I honestly think he helped the Red's win the Civil War, but the Red Army was not a world fighting force by any means until the Second World War.

It's also to my understanding that Trotsky had a fuckton of Imperial Russian Officers executed for not defecting to the Bolsheviks, depriving them of experienced war-time leaders. Germans to my knowledge did not lead the Russian Armies (I may be wrong) and neither did the Japanese. They had their own business to attend to, like taking the Russian Western areas.

EDIT: On Poland, the Reds made to Warsaw, but the Poles won the Battle of Warsaw and sent the Reds in a full-fledged retreat while the Poles advanced eastwards. The Soviets sued for peace and called a ceasefire, which by all measures and accounts should chalk up to a Polish Victory.

Should I also mention that the Poles were also fighting the Ukraine as well - and beating the crap out of them too?

Did i say the poles didnt win? and i didn tsay the germans or japanese controlled white armies, they did fight in the war when the bolsheviks made their move ot retreat around moscow and central russia, so thats why the allies took arkhangelsk quickly along with the caucusas and parts of ukraine. And you are right about the executions of enemy generals, but that civil war made some of the best generals of the 20th century, the majority of whom stalin had killed, im saying that the whole russian civil war bar some allied intervention happened largly the same way it did in history excpet from 1905 to 1911. I still dont get why you are argueing with me about russia and france when i dont control them, you want to argue about their intervention in the war then talk to pibram and USSR, not me.I am doing a defensive war against Belgium if the war escalates and i end up fighitng near all of europe who says ill actually fight and not back off, no british soldiers or naval crewmen have killed anyone yet(bar that japanese dreadnought), so i havent done anything major anyway.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh yeah austria yugoslavia and poland are cutting it up into three parts or something right?

Yep.

Read our article on it, I just posted it.

It has kittens

Aww, thats an awesome photo, the happy looks on those mens faces.

[Pribram]

If the red army was never good pre world war 2, how did it beat the vastly superior(in numerical terms and rivaled in tech) white armies and the allied forces that ivaded russia in the civil war? and russia has gone thorugh this since 1905 to 1911 in this rp, there was a civil war, the reds emerged victorious, britain fought them with its troops until 1911 when the revolution happened and the empire fell apart, under Trotsky the red army was an effective force,because some of the soldiers they fought in the civil war were german and Japanese and if it was able to do this with only a portion of central russia under its control for half the war, imagine what it would be like to fight against it when it had the whole soviet unions domain under its control. And again, i have no control of the Soviet Union.

The Whites never had more men than the Bolsheviks, their tech was sub-par because the Allies would give them the scraps. The Russian Civil War was hell on Earth, dude. There were Red Armies, Green Armies, Black Armies, White Armies, I'm not kidding, and they all fought against eachother. The Bolsheviks managed to achieve victory simply because the Whites were loosely aligned, some couldn't even decide who was the new Tsar, and the Communist forces were just more in number.

Allied Intervention? You mean when the Czechs managed to fight their way across Siberia and make it to Vladivostok while the Allies landed at Arkhangelsk and instantly look the city from the Red Army? Trotsky tried to make the Red Army a fighting force, and I honestly think he helped the Red's win the Civil War, but the Red Army was not a world fighting force by any means until the Second World War.

It's also to my understanding that Trotsky had a fuckton of Imperial Russian Officers executed for not defecting to the Bolsheviks, depriving them of experienced war-time leaders. Germans to my knowledge did not lead the Russian Armies (I may be wrong) and neither did the Japanese. They had their own business to attend to, like taking the Russian Western areas.

EDIT: On Poland, the Reds made to Warsaw, but the Poles won the Battle of Warsaw and sent the Reds in a full-fledged retreat while the Poles advanced eastwards. The Soviets sued for peace and called a ceasefire, which by all measures and accounts should chalk up to a Polish Victory.

Should I also mention that the Poles were also fighting the Ukraine as well - and beating the crap out of them too?

But there is one major thing you missed this is an alternate history so for now none or only few of these happened.
You must consider also negative factors which helped Germans in attack against Russians 1. Ethnic composition they fought Russians mainly in Poland and Ukraine and we all know that both of them were hostile to Russians. 2. Russia get through war with Japan and unsuccesfull revolution and Russia was paralized by hundreds of strikes. and tons of other problems but Russia still kicked Austria out of Carpathian Rus.

[Kamchatkalia]

So before I post about Colombian Independence I would like to know what land I’m getting, what I would like is something similar to this;



Note: I'm that that Light Green in Northern South America. Exclude Panama.

Yes I do realize that a lot of that land is taken by Brazil, but I don't understand why a superpower needs more land, that could be used for other perfectly good nations. I'm praying this isn't one of those, 'first come; first serve' which are ridiculously unfair....

[The Huskar Social Union]

Sod it ive gone down the neutral diplomatic path, im pulling out of the war and asking all parties to cease battle, read my post in the ic thread. Although there is probably a good chance half of you will still try and kill one another.

[Unicario]

So before I post about Colombian Independence I would like to know what land I’m getting, what I would like is something similar to this;

(Image)

Note: I'm that that Light Green in Northern South America. Exclude Panama.

Yes I do realize that a lot of that land is taken by Brazil, but I don't understand why a superpower needs more land, that could be used for other perfectly good nations. I'm praying this isn't one of those, 'first come; first serve' which are ridiculously unfair....

It is a "first come first serve" kind of deal, ask Pribram.

[Chinese Federation]

that was fast, war ended in three days

[The Huskar Social Union]

that was fast, war ended in three days

It probably hasnt ended, my government asked for it to end, but the soviets and french and belgians and who ever can continue on if they wish, im just backing out and Japan has ceased all fighting against me but i think it is still alied to belgium and whatnot. And i think the war has been on for about a week or so now.