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What time period should an AWRP be set in?

Renaissance Era (1400-1500's)
14
13%
Early/mid Victorian Era (1837-1860's)
17
16%
Late Victorian/Great War Era (1860/90's-1918)
46
42%
Interwar/Early WW2 Era (1920's-Late 1930's)
32
29%
 
Total votes : 109

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Postby Madredia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Madredia wrote:And not having been part of the slave trade means we have a massive population


Guys, he has a reasonable backstory with an explanation for these things, and it's not really that outside of the realm of possibility. I'd say go for it.

As a suggestion, it might be nice to expand your links with Europe by having a European nation send a geological expedition. This would satisfy people, provide a boost to your technological know-how, and give an iron-clad reason for having oil earlier than IRL.


Thank you! Finally someone sees it. I could have Hispania send an expedition....

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Postby Neros » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 pm

Madredia wrote:Why does everyone have such a problem with the possibility of an African nation not falling prey to the circumstances it did IRL, and being able to rival Western powers. This IS an AWRP isn't it?


Hey man, Ethiopia held it's own for quite a long time. Nothing surprises me anymore.

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Kamchatkalia
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Postby Kamchatkalia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:09 pm

Madredia wrote:Why does everyone have such a problem with the possibility of an African nation not falling prey to the circumstances it did IRL, and being able to rival Western powers. This IS an AWRP isn't it?


No we don't have a problem with that, we have a problem with the feasibility of it all...
Garwall wrote:
Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


Just call me Kami

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Postby Kamchatkalia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:09 pm

Neros wrote:
Madredia wrote:Why does everyone have such a problem with the possibility of an African nation not falling prey to the circumstances it did IRL, and being able to rival Western powers. This IS an AWRP isn't it?


Hey man, Ethiopia held it's own for quite a long time. Nothing surprises me anymore.


DON'T EVEN MENTION THAT GODFORSAKEN COUNTRY
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Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


Just call me Kami

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Madredia
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Postby Madredia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:13 pm

Then please please just read my backstory and it'll make more sense. Or check out Walter Rodney's "how Europe underdeveloped Africa" then you'll see how we can be close to the same level or even at the level, of most western nations

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Postby Mishmahig » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:16 pm

Kamchatkalia wrote:
Madredia wrote:Why does everyone have such a problem with the possibility of an African nation not falling prey to the circumstances it did IRL, and being able to rival Western powers. This IS an AWRP isn't it?


No we don't have a problem with that, we have a problem with the feasibility of it all...


His backstory provides at least a basis for suspending belief. I'm cool with it.

Really, if it bothers people, just have him insert this line into his backstory: "And the <insert name of ruler here> saw that the way of the future was industrialization, as he looked at the world. Realizing that there was little time to spare, he sent a call out to all the major European universities, inviting the premier architects of the Industrial Revolution to come and establish a new university in his nation. Enticed by a new continent, exotic locales, and a healthy paycheck, scholars poured into Africa by the dozens. Within a few short decades, the university had rapidly expanded, educating the population and planting the seeds for rapid-scale industrialization, equal to if not superior, that of the Europeans."

Bam. Not that hard, nice little compromise, and then we all get over this. Honestly, I think it's fine as it is, but if it makes everyone get over the issue....

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Postby Madredia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:19 pm

First university in the world was actually Timbuktu, established by an African empire. Plus we had our own industrial revolution. We did take ideas from Europe, but has equals, not as a catch up game.

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Postby Cornada » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:27 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Kamchatkalia wrote:
No we don't have a problem with that, we have a problem with the feasibility of it all...


His backstory provides at least a basis for suspending belief. I'm cool with it.

Really, if it bothers people, just have him insert this line into his backstory: "And the <insert name of ruler here> saw that the way of the future was industrialization, as he looked at the world. Realizing that there was little time to spare, he sent a call out to all the major European universities, inviting the premier architects of the Industrial Revolution to come and establish a new university in his nation. Enticed by a new continent, exotic locales, and a healthy paycheck, scholars poured into Africa by the dozens. Within a few short decades, the university had rapidly expanded, educating the population and planting the seeds for rapid-scale industrialization, equal to if not superior, that of the Europeans."

Bam. Not that hard, nice little compromise, and then we all get over this. Honestly, I think it's fine as it is, but if it makes everyone get over the issue....


No, No, No, as is I'm just having a relatively frustrated day babysitting and the like and I tend to take it out on NationStates. Debating. I've read your backstory and all, I just have the urge to debate with you. Over the littlest of details...

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Postby Kamchatkalia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:28 pm

Cornada wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
His backstory provides at least a basis for suspending belief. I'm cool with it.

Really, if it bothers people, just have him insert this line into his backstory: "And the <insert name of ruler here> saw that the way of the future was industrialization, as he looked at the world. Realizing that there was little time to spare, he sent a call out to all the major European universities, inviting the premier architects of the Industrial Revolution to come and establish a new university in his nation. Enticed by a new continent, exotic locales, and a healthy paycheck, scholars poured into Africa by the dozens. Within a few short decades, the university had rapidly expanded, educating the population and planting the seeds for rapid-scale industrialization, equal to if not superior, that of the Europeans."

Bam. Not that hard, nice little compromise, and then we all get over this. Honestly, I think it's fine as it is, but if it makes everyone get over the issue....


No, No, No, as is I'm just having a relatively frustrated day babysitting and the like and I tend to take it out on NationStates. Debating. I've read your backstory and all, I just have the urge to debate with you. Over the littlest of details...


Puppet, GODAMIT, BACK! BACK! YOU HEATHEN! BACK TO YOUR CORNER!
Garwall wrote:
Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


Just call me Kami

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Garwall
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Postby Garwall » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:28 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Garwall wrote:Why can't you guys freaking date your articles? A key part of having time flow is... Actually, you know, including the date in your posts. :p


I'm going to date my article April 2nd, 1910. Is that okay?


Sure.
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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Garwall wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
I'm going to date my article April 2nd, 1910. Is that okay?


Sure.


Muwahahahahahahah, I dated it April 17th instead! I'm such a rebel.

Anyways, I feel like this ASU/Irish thing is going to escalate quickly. ._.

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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Benin and most other nations for that matter, will probably be extremely angery at the Imperium, since we're the only nation with slavery still legal and widely used.

Also Garwall, do we really have to start an new thread for every war? I mean...
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:34 pm

Carathon wrote:Benin and most other nations for that matter, will probably be extremely angery at the Imperium, since we're the only nation with slavery still legal and widely used.

Also Garwall, do we really have to start an new thread for every war? I mean...

You should have to, at least. It keeps things organized and keeps things from being cluttered and hard to access.
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Postby Kamchatkalia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:35 pm

Carathon wrote:Benin and most other nations for that matter, will probably be extremely angery at the Imperium, since we're the only nation with slavery still legal and widely used.

Also Garwall, do we really have to start an new thread for every war? I mean...


What? What are you thinking of doing?
Garwall wrote:
Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


Just call me Kami

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:36 pm

Also, I'd love it if we didn't all go willy-nilly with wars and annexations. It makes for a poor RP if we all suddenly become superbly expansionistic and start taking land left, right, and centre.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
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Postby Neros » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:36 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Carathon wrote:Benin and most other nations for that matter, will probably be extremely angery at the Imperium, since we're the only nation with slavery still legal and widely used.

Also Garwall, do we really have to start an new thread for every war? I mean...

You should have to, at least. It keeps things organized and keeps things from being cluttered and hard to access.

Indeed. If we had a single IC, I would have to deal with an Irish back and forth while I do something entirely different and unrelated. It just helps everyone in the long run.

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Postby Madredia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:38 pm

Kamchatkalia wrote:
Cornada wrote:
No, No, No, as is I'm just having a relatively frustrated day babysitting and the like and I tend to take it out on NationStates. Debating. I've read your backstory and all, I just have the urge to debate with you. Over the littlest of details...


Puppet, GODAMIT, BACK! BACK! YOU HEATHEN! BACK TO YOUR CORNER!


I totally get that. However, Ive always believed that the way Europe interacted with Africa seriously underdeveloped it, which is something backed by MANY writings. That among other things. I fixed a lot of those issues in my backstory and added other things in. That is why my nation can rival Western nations.

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Postby Mishmahig » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:39 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Also, I'd love it if we didn't all go willy-nilly with wars and annexations. It makes for a poor RP if we all suddenly become superbly expansionistic and start taking land left, right, and centre.


It's the beginning of the Imperial Age. Of course we're all hyperaggressive nations with massive colonial empires.


But don't worry, the Irish thing has been going on for quite some time, the ASU will declare war, and that'll occupy us for a while.

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Postby Syleru » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:40 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Also, I'd love it if we didn't all go willy-nilly with wars and annexations. It makes for a poor RP if we all suddenly become superbly expansionistic and start taking land left, right, and centre.


Vlad is right, imperialism wasn't all that commonplace in Europe, excluding Germany.
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Postby Kamchatkalia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:40 pm

Madredia wrote:
Kamchatkalia wrote:
Puppet, GODAMIT, BACK! BACK! YOU HEATHEN! BACK TO YOUR CORNER!


I totally get that. However, Ive always believed that the way Europe interacted with Africa seriously underdeveloped it, which is something backed by MANY writings. That among other things. I fixed a lot of those issues in my backstory and added other things in. That is why my nation can rival Western nations.


Yes Imperialism/Colonialism is a one-way street. The nation that creates the domination will always benefit in the long-term, it's proven fact you know.
Garwall wrote:
Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


Just call me Kami

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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:41 pm

Kamchatkalia wrote:
Carathon wrote:Benin and most other nations for that matter, will probably be extremely angery at the Imperium, since we're the only nation with slavery still legal and widely used.

Also Garwall, do we really have to start an new thread for every war? I mean...


What? What are you thinking of doing?


In the time between bouts of anicent roman cosplay, the Imperium also persues the goal of uniting the Germanic peoples. Which includes Northen Switzerland. Of course I'll probably wait until after the Irish crisis, Probably.
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Kamchatkalia
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Postby Kamchatkalia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:43 pm

Carathon wrote:
Kamchatkalia wrote:
What? What are you thinking of doing?


In the time between bouts of anicent roman cosplay, the Imperium also persues the goal of uniting the Germanic peoples. Which includes Northen Switzerland. Of course I'll probably wait until after the Irish crisis, Probably.


In which case I will intervene in your switzerland expedition. So I do believe it would be best to role-play it out.
Garwall wrote:
Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


Just call me Kami

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Madredia
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Postby Madredia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:44 pm

Exactly. Which is why the Benin plan to make sure there is none in Africa. Which brings up the fact that I want an IC thread on the OOC to discuss colonialism with the nations that currently own African colonies.

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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:45 pm

Carathon wrote:
Kamchatkalia wrote:
What? What are you thinking of doing?


In the time between bouts of anicent roman cosplay, the Imperium also persues the goal of uniting the Germanic peoples. Which includes Northen Switzerland. Of course I'll probably wait until after the Irish crisis, Probably.


Nah, start the IC thread now, or the other European nations will just sit around twiddling their thumbs.


Madredia wrote:Exactly. Which is why the Benin plan to make sure there is none in Africa. Which brings up the fact that I want an IC thread on the OOC to discuss colonialism with the nations that currently own African colonies.


Oooh, you could call for a conference of some sort. I'd suggest using the Victorian Ticker Tape IC thread to set the background, and then make the IC thread for that.

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Postby Boriem » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:46 pm

Carathon wrote:
Kamchatkalia wrote:
What? What are you thinking of doing?


In the time between bouts of anicent roman cosplay, the Imperium also persues the goal of uniting the Germanic peoples. Which includes Northen Switzerland. Of course I'll probably wait until after the Irish crisis, Probably.


Austria would probably fund Switzerland against the Western menace... Speaking of which, we should really have a world conference of some sort just to get diplomatic relations in progress and establish national stances.
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