Alternate World, a Civilization type RP (OOC, Closed)

[Legital]

I have been thinking that perhaps, maybe, I should make an application for Warhammer Dwarves. Nothing gets past those guys.

Unless its a Tyranid swarm that I have no idea why it was still allowed in the first place.

[Mishmahig]

You're thinking of the squigs, and they're effectively Ork pets, food, and suicide bombers.

Yeah, that's it. Could happen here, and they might not be so subservient this time around, we'll have to see how it goes.

The Veritch are intensely interested, and if you approached them IC (and we could breach that language barrier), they'd be happy to supply you with anything you need in exchange for a technological partnership.

Spaceflight is a holy dream for them,as they believe their god, G!rtoler, left them to sail among the stars, and only by doing the same will they be able to reach G!rtoler.

Well maybe, but I'm not sure the Kalululichi would go for it. They're not so much snooty, as they don't really understand that the people who live on the ground are people in the same way as them. Throughout their history, they've seen things with legs as little animals which scutle among the branches of sky-trees, and its going to take a lot to persuade them otherwise. But if they could understand that dream, they would be able to sympathise, and might be able to collaborate. If nothing else, they'd be willing to bring Veritch to the Agglomerations to help the Kalululichi advance their technology, and while there the Veritch would be able to see what the sky floaters are up to.

That's understandable. When we get to a later point, we'll readdress the issue. Perhaps the Kalululichi will rethink their position by then.

Speaking of technological advancement, where exactly do we go from gunpowder? 16th century European civilization is not my forte, but I think the next advancement is steam, and the industrial revolution. After that, it's 100~ish years, then oil. Once we get to oil, we can achieve basic flight, and from flight, space!

[Danbershan]

Just thought of something which makes the Tyranids a little bit less of a big deal than before. Although tyranids can adapt very readily, they do so by using the DNA of other creatures: they don't really make up their own genetic code, it has to come from somewhere. So when the time comes that everybody else who has somehow survived their onslaught starts lifting off into space, how will the Tyranids follow? The only way Tyranids can get into space is by hitching lifts on other people's spaceships, or by stealing spaceships. It will be centuries, at least, until they can find the DNA required to make their big biological spaceships, by which point the rest of us will probably have gone interstellar.

[Neros]

I'm going to come clean and say this outright: I don't know why the Tyranids got accepted. In WH40K, their invasions are measured on GALACTIC scales and devastate entire sides of the galaxy until some Dues Ex happens that manages to break their main force, and then Splinter forces develop and just fuck up everything. Truly, they are the most OP race in Warhammer 40K, which is a game based on who can be the most the OP.

But seriously, the only ones Tyranids fear are the Necrons. If you guys want some epic Acts of God, unlock some Necrons for the Tyranids to fight and bring down their Hive Clusters and whip them into shape.

Or begin the First Tyrannic War. It should be noted that I include the word "first".

[Neros]

Just thought of something which makes the Tyranids a little bit less of a big deal than before. Although tyranids can adapt very readily, they do so by using the DNA of other creatures: they don't really make up their own genetic code, it has to come from somewhere. So when the time comes that everybody else who has somehow survived their onslaught starts lifting off into space, how will the Tyranids follow? The only way Tyranids can get into space is by hitching lifts on other people's spaceships, or by stealing spaceships. It will be centuries, at least, until they can find the DNA required to make their big biological spaceships, by which point the rest of us will probably have gone interstellar.

BIOLOGICAL ROCKET FUEL.


And such. I even had this previous idea to create gun powder through bio-synthetic means, but opted for traditional ranged attacks that are akin to bow-and-arrow until more sophisticated guns develop.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Just thought of something which makes the Tyranids a little bit less of a big deal than before. Although tyranids can adapt very readily, they do so by using the DNA of other creatures: they don't really make up their own genetic code, it has to come from somewhere. So when the time comes that everybody else who has somehow survived their onslaught starts lifting off into space, how will the Tyranids follow? The only way Tyranids can get into space is by hitching lifts on other people's spaceships, or by stealing spaceships. It will be centuries, at least, until they can find the DNA required to make their big biological spaceships, by which point the rest of us will probably have gone interstellar.

Tyranids have bio-ships.

[Mishmahig]

I'm going to come clean and say this outright: I don't know why the Tyranids got accepted. In WH40K, their invasions are measured on GALACTIC scales and devastate entire sides of the galaxy until some Dues Ex happens that manages to break their main force, and then Splinter forces develop and just fuck up everything. Truly, they are the most OP race in Warhammer 40K, which is a game based on who can be the most the OP.

But seriously, the only ones Tyranids fear are the Necrons. If you guys want some epic Acts of God, unlock some Necrons for the Tyranids to fight and bring down their Hive Clusters and whip them into shape.

Or begin the First Tyrannic War. It should be noted that I include the word "first".

Oh god. I can't imagine how bad the Tyrannids would be if they got their hands on some alak genes. ;_;

The Veritch form of elephants. I suppose I should try and domesticate some...

[The Nuclear Fist]

I'm going to come clean and say this outright: I don't know why the Tyranids got accepted. In WH40K, their invasions are measured on GALACTIC scales and devastate entire sides of the galaxy until some Dues Ex happens that manages to break their main force, and then Splinter forces develop and just fuck up everything. Truly, they are the most OP race in Warhammer 40K, which is a game based on who can be the most the OP.

But seriously, the only ones Tyranids fear are the Necrons. If you guys want some epic Acts of God, unlock some Necrons for the Tyranids to fight and bring down their Hive Clusters and whip them into shape.

Or begin the First Tyrannic War. It should be noted that I include the word "first".

Oh god. I can't imagine how bad the Tyrannids would be if they got their hands on some alak genes. ;_;

The Veritch form of elephants. I suppose I should try and domesticate some...

Giant crabs really aren't that scary, all things considered.

[Mishmahig]

Oh god. I can't imagine how bad the Tyrannids would be if they got their hands on some alak genes. ;_;

The Veritch form of elephants. I suppose I should try and domesticate some...

Giant crabs really aren't that scary, all things considered.

Giant crabs. With giant pincers. Extremely thick armor.

Any species that manages to face one of these without blinking an eye is either suicidal or has no fear whatsoever.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'm going to come clean and say this outright: I don't know why the Tyranids got accepted. In WH40K, their invasions are measured on GALACTIC scales and devastate entire sides of the galaxy until some Dues Ex happens that manages to break their main force, and then Splinter forces develop and just fuck up everything. Truly, they are the most OP race in Warhammer 40K, which is a game based on who can be the most the OP.

But seriously, the only ones Tyranids fear are the Necrons. If you guys want some epic Acts of God, unlock some Necrons for the Tyranids to fight and bring down their Hive Clusters and whip them into shape.

Or begin the First Tyrannic War. It should be noted that I include the word "first".

Tbf, there is speculation that the Tyranids are fleeing vast Necron fleets beyond the galaxy in W40k.

Though the fact that Tyranids are attacking from all directions from outside the galaxy is a truly scary thought.....

Also, who says the Chosen are any less !!FUN!! than the Necrons?

@Mish: What's fear?

[Danbershan]

Well maybe, but I'm not sure the Kalululichi would go for it. They're not so much snooty, as they don't really understand that the people who live on the ground are people in the same way as them. Throughout their history, they've seen things with legs as little animals which scutle among the branches of sky-trees, and its going to take a lot to persuade them otherwise. But if they could understand that dream, they would be able to sympathise, and might be able to collaborate. If nothing else, they'd be willing to bring Veritch to the Agglomerations to help the Kalululichi advance their technology, and while there the Veritch would be able to see what the sky floaters are up to.

That's understandable. When we get to a later point, we'll readdress the issue. Perhaps the Kalululichi will rethink their position by then.

Speaking of technological advancement, where exactly do we go from gunpowder? 16th century European civilization is not my forte, but I think the next advancement is steam, and the industrial revolution. After that, it's 100~ish years, then oil. Once we get to oil, we can achieve basic flight, and from flight, space!

The sky jellies will go from gunpowder to rockets, all the while improving their hot air balloons, until they're basically airships. Then they'll go from rockets to other methods of propulsion, such as jet propulsion, and invent the turbine, and the propellor, which will revolutionise flight. With the advent of electricity, developed from experiments to determine the nature of static electricity, they'll learn to electrolyse water, and use the resulting hydrogen and oxygen to fuel chemical rockets. It'll be a bit of a toss-up whether they get to space first in rockets or spaceplanes. Meanwhile, further research into the nature of hereditary traits will result in the discovery of cells, then sperm and eggs, then DNA, and the methods through which to edit DNA. Evolution will be figured out after this. Also, further research into the nature of the divine will help to formulate idea on the nature of asteroids, stars, planets and so on. Soon, orbital habitats will be in place, while spacecraft have been sent to explore other areas of the solar system, primarily driven by solar sails. With the advent of space travel, computer science will be developed, as a way to co-ordinate space travel. Its invention will revolutionise genetics, which will become a much more valid technology. With the first big habitats being established around the gas giants, Kalululichi will be engineered that can survive in the uppermost reaches of the planet's atmosphere. A few decades later, a generation capable of surviving in space is born, and continuously refined, while other races capable of surviving in the gas giants, in different atmospheres, even in water, are also created. As this race is improved, it spreads into the outer reaches of the solar system, and eventually beyond, while the other races are establishing their moon colonies.


Nuclear Fist - sure, they have bio-ships in W40K, but this lot aren't spacefaring, so they don't.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Giant crabs. With giant pincers. Extremely thick armor.

A cannonball is going to do the same thing to them it'd do to anyone else. An arrow to the eye stalk, hit one in the joint with a mass of arrows or a cannonball, etc. Also, crabs are slow and aren't very maneuverable. These particular crabs are giant and deadly, but they're also massive targets and are more likely to become severely injured from falling. Also, a Cyclops could just club one.

Any species that manages to face one of these without blinking an eye is either suicidal or has no fear whatsoever.

Fear is one thing, terror is another.

[Mishmahig]

Giant crabs. With giant pincers. Extremely thick armor.

A cannonball is going to do the same thing to them it'd do to anyone else. An arrow to the eye stalk, hit one in the joint with a mass of arrows or a cannonball, etc. Also, crabs are slow and aren't very maneuverable. These particular crabs are giant and deadly, but they're also massive targets and are more likely to become severely injured from falling. Also, a Cyclops could just club one.

Any species that manages to face one of these without blinking an eye is either suicidal or has no fear whatsoever.

Fear is one thing, terror is another.

Where did you get the idea that crabs are slow/not maneuverable? But your points are valid. Consider that the Veritch are essentially a "flight" race, relying on a subset of their population to do the "fighting". To them, something like this is a bowel-loosening terror that will cause them to run flailing in the opposite direction.

[Mishmahig]

Also: Proposal for timeskip technological advancement.

Machinists:
1. Invention of steam, beginning of Industrial revolution.
2. Discovery of coal/oil, increased industrialization.
3. Discovery of primitive flight.
4. Computers/improved flight
5. Jets/improved computers
6. Spaceflight.

Biological species:
1. Discovery of genetics/evolution/etc, better genetic improvements
2. Discovery of coal/oil (or the upper-air equivalents)
3. Flight, or improved flight
4. Computers and/or LEO achievement
5. (Not sure here), or beginning of space age
6. Building biological spaceships.

Thoughts?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Also: Proposal for timeskip technological advancement.

Machinists:
1. Invention of steam, beginning of Industrial revolution.
2. Discovery of coal/oil, increased industrialization.
3. Discovery of primitive flight.
4. Computers/improved flight
5. Jets/improved computers
6. Spaceflight.

Biological species:
1. Discovery of genetics/evolution/etc, better genetic improvements
2. Discovery of coal/oil (or the upper-air equivalents)
3. Flight, or improved flight
4. Computers and/or LEO achievement
5. (Not sure here), or beginning of space age
6. Building biological spaceships.

Thoughts?

Looks good for our purposes.

I of course reserve the right to do whatever the hell I want though

[The Nuclear Fist]

Where did you get the idea that crabs are slow/not maneuverable?

Most crabs are are slow and can only walk sideways.

But your points are valid. Consider that the Veritch are essentially a "flight" race, relying on a subset of their population to do the "fighting". To them, something like this is a bowel-loosening terror that will cause them to run flailing in the opposite direction.

To Ogres, it's a just a big meal.

[Danbershan]

Also: Proposal for timeskip technological advancement.

Machinists:
1. Invention of steam, beginning of Industrial revolution.
2. Discovery of coal/oil, increased industrialization.
3. Discovery of primitive flight.
4. Computers/improved flight
5. Jets/improved computers
6. Spaceflight.

Biological species:
1. Discovery of genetics/evolution/etc, better genetic improvements
2. Discovery of coal/oil (or the upper-air equivalents)
3. Flight, or improved flight
4. Computers and/or LEO achievement
5. (Not sure here), or beginning of space age
6. Building biological spaceships.

Thoughts?

Genetics will probably come later, quite a big discovery, very hard to figure out how to do anything with it as well. The Kalululichi won't be using coal or oil, but that's just me. Improved flight's already happening. Computers will come late for me, but maybe will be discovered early by other races. LEO achievement isn't too far off for me, but is a further way off for the others. We'll give up on spaceships ASAP. Some good ideas though, but each race will be developing differently.

[Legital]

Also: Proposal for timeskip technological advancement.

Machinists:
1. Invention of steam, beginning of Industrial revolution.
2. Discovery of coal/oil, increased industrialization.
3. Discovery of primitive flight.
4. Computers/improved flight
5. Jets/improved computers
6. Spaceflight.

Biological species:
1. Discovery of genetics/evolution/etc, better genetic improvements
2. Discovery of coal/oil (or the upper-air equivalents)
3. Flight, or improved flight
4. Computers and/or LEO achievement
5. (Not sure here), or beginning of space age
6. Building biological spaceships.

Thoughts?

Jets after computers?

[Danbershan]

IRL, the 1400s were the time of the Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution came a fair bit later, we need to do the Renaissance-analogue first. The printing press was invented in the 1400s, but not a whole lot else. We might just have to sit around while the primitives catch up, in terms of technology.

[The Nuclear Fist]

IRL, the 1400s were the time of the Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution came a fair bit later, we need to do the Renaissance-analogue first. The printing press was invented in the 1400s, but not a whole lot else. We might just have to sit around while the primitives catch up, in terms of technology.

As a race of barbarians, I plan on making it my goal to steal as much technology as possible, or at least drag everyone down from advancing.

[Mishmahig]

Also: Proposal for timeskip technological advancement.

Machinists:
1. Invention of steam, beginning of Industrial revolution.
2. Discovery of coal/oil, increased industrialization.
3. Discovery of primitive flight.
4. Computers/improved flight
5. Jets/improved computers
6. Spaceflight.

Biological species:
1. Discovery of genetics/evolution/etc, better genetic improvements
2. Discovery of coal/oil (or the upper-air equivalents)
3. Flight, or improved flight
4. Computers and/or LEO achievement
5. (Not sure here), or beginning of space age
6. Building biological spaceships.

Thoughts?

Jets after computers?

Primitive computers---think ENIAC, etc. Besides, this is all rough and subject to OP approval.

IRL, the 1400s were the time of the Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution came a fair bit later, we need to do the Renaissance-analogue first. The printing press was invented in the 1400s, but not a whole lot else. We might just have to sit around while the primitives catch up, in terms of technology.

I was thinking that this era would be our Renaissance, so to speak. I mean, the Veritch are coming out of isolation, species are communicating and greeting each other, trading and exchanging ideas. It seems like a perfect time for a Renaissance, after a suitably turbulent period.

[Scawendaen]

Jets after computers?

Primitive computers---think ENIAC, etc. Besides, this is all rough and subject to OP approval.

IRL, the 1400s were the time of the Scientific Revolution, the Industrial Revolution came a fair bit later, we need to do the Renaissance-analogue first. The printing press was invented in the 1400s, but not a whole lot else. We might just have to sit around while the primitives catch up, in terms of technology.

I was thinking that this era would be our Renaissance, so to speak. I mean, the Veritch are coming out of isolation, species are communicating and greeting each other, trading and exchanging ideas. It seems like a perfect time for a Renaissance, after a suitably turbulent period.

The Renaissance was also a period of cultural explosion and expansion--it was the total opposite of the Medieval period. I would love for Pleth, my capital, to be the Florence, Italy of the time if everyone is up for that...

[Mishmahig]

Primitive computers---think ENIAC, etc. Besides, this is all rough and subject to OP approval.


I was thinking that this era would be our Renaissance, so to speak. I mean, the Veritch are coming out of isolation, species are communicating and greeting each other, trading and exchanging ideas. It seems like a perfect time for a Renaissance, after a suitably turbulent period.

The Renaissance was also a period of cultural explosion and expansion--it was the total opposite of the Medieval period. I would love for Pleth, my capital, to be the Florence, Italy of the time if everyone is up for that...

As long as Draycia can be the equivalent of Venice.

Oh, and as soon as Otterica posts, I'll make a post detailing my ambassador's message. Can I assume he's been escorted to a greeting hall/reception chamber of some sort?

[Caecuser]

Also: Proposal for timeskip technological advancement.

Machinists:
1. Invention of steam, beginning of Industrial revolution.
2. Discovery of coal/oil, increased industrialization.
3. Discovery of primitive flight.
4. Computers/improved flight
5. Jets/improved computers
6. Spaceflight.

Biological species:
1. Discovery of genetics/evolution/etc, better genetic improvements
2. Discovery of coal/oil (or the upper-air equivalents)
3. Flight, or improved flight
4. Computers and/or LEO achievement
5. (Not sure here), or beginning of space age
6. Building biological spaceships.

Thoughts?

Technology will be different per species however, some will be scientifically minded and others will not. My guys for example are very quick to realize scientific advances and make practical use of them in technology. We don't have oil but we do have coal for smelting ores and coal dust in gunpowder.
The next step for my guys will be electricity whichever way they get that.

[Legital]

Primitive computers---think ENIAC, etc. Besides, this is all rough and subject to OP approval.


I was thinking that this era would be our Renaissance, so to speak. I mean, the Veritch are coming out of isolation, species are communicating and greeting each other, trading and exchanging ideas. It seems like a perfect time for a Renaissance, after a suitably turbulent period.

The Renaissance was also a period of cultural explosion and expansion--it was the total opposite of the Medieval period. I would love for Pleth, my capital, to be the Florence, Italy of the time if everyone is up for that...

I'd figure my place would be something like that, considering how much Rims love their art and music. I mean, everything has some sort of artistic expression in it.