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Danbershan
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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:59 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:For the record, there are going to need to be some major handicaps regarding the Tyranid player for this to be a fair RP. There's no way they should be capable of all the things the Tyranids in 40k are.


I think they're significantly weakened? Also the Lord Thy Mod is in the wings to smite them if they get uppity. That said, I have my own plans for the 'Nids.


It takes a lot to handicap Nids :(

Caecuser wrote:Unless it turns out, by the will of the OP, that Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all other life except for Primes.


Well that would just destroy the entire world ecosystem, and kill everybody else.

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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:00 am

Danbershan wrote:If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.


Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:01 am

Danbershan wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
I think they're significantly weakened? Also the Lord Thy Mod is in the wings to smite them if they get uppity. That said, I have my own plans for the 'Nids.


It takes a lot to handicap Nids :(

Caecuser wrote:Unless it turns out, by the will of the OP, that Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all other life except for Primes.


Well that would just destroy the entire world ecosystem, and kill everybody else.


Prime base cells can only exist in sources of fresh water, lakes and such, salt water would kill them. The only reason your civilization would die is if every individual drank some infested lake water.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:01 am

Danbershan wrote:If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.


The Omnissah would be very disappointed with her children if they let all her lesser creations get eaten.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:02 am

Caecuser wrote:
Danbershan wrote:If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.


Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

Tyranids are able to evolve and adapt to digest and absorb all matter. It won't be a problem for long.
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Postby Mishmahig » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:03 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Danbershan wrote:If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.


The Omnissah would be very disappointed with her children if they let all her lesser creations get eaten.


G!rtoler would be offended that his species had to rely on one of his unworthy creations to survive.

The Veritch would probably flee to the seas, as much as they hate them. Build massive ships in fleets, and sail away, far away.

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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:03 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

Tyranids are able to evolve and adapt to digest and absorb all matter. It won't be a problem for long.


Unfortunately Prime base cells are only viable for Prime life, they would have to be pure Prime in order to survive.

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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:05 am

Caecuser wrote:
Danbershan wrote:
It takes a lot to handicap Nids :(



Well that would just destroy the entire world ecosystem, and kill everybody else.


Prime base cells can only exist in sources of fresh water, lakes and such, salt water would kill them. The only reason your civilization would die is if every individual drank some infested lake water.


But as soon as the Primes reach the mainland their base cells will be released into the continent's waterways...

Caecuser wrote:
Danbershan wrote:If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.


Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.


Well the Tyranids could just not drink the water. There are a lot of ways to kill things from afar without nuking them as well. Bombing runs, suicide squads, swarms of flying rippers, huge streams of acid being spat from the water.

As for the 'only viable for Prime life' - the Tyranids can just hijack the bits of DNA they need, and then go right on in there. It doesn't take much. Also, even in the Commonwealth Saga there are alienPrime, who obviously aren't pure Prime.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:06 am

Caecuser wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Tyranids are able to evolve and adapt to digest and absorb all matter. It won't be a problem for long.


Unfortunately Prime base cells are only viable for Prime life, they would have to be pure Prime in order to survive.

You didn't understand. The Tyranids evolve and adapt rapidly. In no more than a generation or so after coming into contact with a Prime will the Tyranids be able to easily digest it. And considering that most Tyranid lifespans are measured in hours, days, and weeks, it won't be long for that generation to be up.
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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:07 am

Well, I guess we might as well call the RP over and say the Tyranids win if you continue along that thought. Also there are no alienPrimes in this RP, not yet. If the tyranids are going to go along as they are now then I should get "Prime base cells are hostile to any other life".

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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:09 am

Actually, how were the Tyrannids handicapped in this RP? I forget the discussion we had....

Eh, at least Neros isn't all "KILL ALL THE THINGS". There's actually diplomacy.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:11 am

On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.
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Danbershan
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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:12 am

Caecuser wrote:Well, I guess we might as well call the RP over and say the Tyranids win if you continue along that thought. Also there are no alienPrimes in this RP, not yet. If the tyranids are going to go along as they are now then I should get "Prime base cells are hostile to any other life".


Yes, I agree. The Tyranids are going to destroy everybody if something isn't done to stop them. And I see where you're coming from, but that would result in huge repurcussions for the entire planet: everywhere the Primes go, the ecosystem will collapse and almost everything will die. So much of the planet will become barren, and everything is killed, leaving loads of Primes on the ground, and my guys in the sky, and every other race having fled to the oceans.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:12 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.

Well, at least there's that.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:13 am

Danbershan wrote:
Caecuser wrote:Well, I guess we might as well call the RP over and say the Tyranids win if you continue along that thought. Also there are no alienPrimes in this RP, not yet. If the tyranids are going to go along as they are now then I should get "Prime base cells are hostile to any other life".


Yes, I agree. The Tyranids are going to destroy everybody if something isn't done to stop them. And I see where you're coming from, but that would result in huge repurcussions for the entire planet: everywhere the Primes go, the ecosystem will collapse and almost everything will die. So much of the planet will become barren, and everything is killed, leaving loads of Primes on the ground, and my guys in the sky, and every other race having fled to the oceans.


Well, Prime base cells are only produced by the immotiles, and in running rivers and stuff the base cells will be to dispersed to do any damage.

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Postby Mishmahig » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:14 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.


Those hydragons aren't biotitans?

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:15 am

Mishmahig wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.


Those hydragons aren't biotitans?


There are hydragons? I haven't read Neros' most recent posts, since they don't really effect me.
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Danbershan
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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:19 am

Caecuser wrote:
Danbershan wrote:
Yes, I agree. The Tyranids are going to destroy everybody if something isn't done to stop them. And I see where you're coming from, but that would result in huge repurcussions for the entire planet: everywhere the Primes go, the ecosystem will collapse and almost everything will die. So much of the planet will become barren, and everything is killed, leaving loads of Primes on the ground, and my guys in the sky, and every other race having fled to the oceans.


Well, Prime base cells are only produced by the immotiles, and in running rivers and stuff the base cells will be to dispersed to do any damage.


Except they can reproduce by themselves, and so will naturally come to dominate every ecosystem, by killing off everything else which comes into contact with them.

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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:19 am

Danbershan wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Well, Prime base cells are only produced by the immotiles, and in running rivers and stuff the base cells will be to dispersed to do any damage.


Except they can reproduce by themselves, and so will naturally come to dominate every ecosystem, by killing off everything else which comes into contact with them.


So what then, what advantage do we have over Tyranids?

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Postby Mishmahig » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:22 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
Those hydragons aren't biotitans?


There are hydragons? I haven't read Neros' most recent posts, since they don't really effect me.


Yup. Giant leviathans that easily dwarf the largest ships (with the exception of the Chosen Island-Ships).

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:24 am

Mishmahig wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
There are hydragons? I haven't read Neros' most recent posts, since they don't really effect me.


Yup. Giant leviathans that easily dwarf the largest ships (with the exception of the Chosen Island-Ships).


Hmm. That strikes me as.... wankish. Might need to take that one up with Zep.
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Postby Mishmahig » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:27 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
Yup. Giant leviathans that easily dwarf the largest ships (with the exception of the Chosen Island-Ships).


Hmm. That strikes me as.... wankish. Might need to take that one up with Zep.


I think he introduced them in his second post (with large pictures) and announced them in the OOC (with more pictures), and Zep hasn't said anything, so I think it's okay.

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Danbershan
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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:28 am

Caecuser wrote:
Danbershan wrote:
Except they can reproduce by themselves, and so will naturally come to dominate every ecosystem, by killing off everything else which comes into contact with them.


So what then, what advantage do we have over Tyranids?


You're a little bit smarter than they are, for now. You're better with technology. You're a little isolated, which will help your defence for a while. that's about it.

Just the fact that we have Tyranids means they're ridiculously overpowered. I went back and read the app, and the subsequent modifications, and the only way I see they can be brought down to such a level where Acts of God are unecessary are by slowing their generations down to about five years, and making the genetic modification process very arduous, so that it takes about fifty years to make any kind of improvement. Even then, they'll be bloody difficult.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:29 am

Mishmahig wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hmm. That strikes me as.... wankish. Might need to take that one up with Zep.


I think he introduced them in his second post (with large pictures) and announced them in the OOC (with more pictures), and Zep hasn't said anything, so I think it's okay.


Ah, well I know Zep handicapped the 'nids somehow. Guess I don't know specifically how in that case.
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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:31 am

Good points there, I guess the matter's settled. The Prime base cells won't be hostile to all life, only in highly concentrated doses. I think the Tyranids, with everything said, shouldn't be able to adapt.

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