Alternate World, a Civilization type RP (OOC, Closed)

[Danbershan]

For the record, there are going to need to be some major handicaps regarding the Tyranid player for this to be a fair RP. There's no way they should be capable of all the things the Tyranids in 40k are.

I think they're significantly weakened? Also the Lord Thy Mod is in the wings to smite them if they get uppity. That said, I have my own plans for the 'Nids.

It takes a lot to handicap Nids

Unless it turns out, by the will of the OP, that Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all other life except for Primes.

Well that would just destroy the entire world ecosystem, and kill everybody else.

[Caecuser]

If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.

Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

[Caecuser]

I think they're significantly weakened? Also the Lord Thy Mod is in the wings to smite them if they get uppity. That said, I have my own plans for the 'Nids.

It takes a lot to handicap Nids

Unless it turns out, by the will of the OP, that Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all other life except for Primes.

Well that would just destroy the entire world ecosystem, and kill everybody else.

Prime base cells can only exist in sources of fresh water, lakes and such, salt water would kill them. The only reason your civilization would die is if every individual drank some infested lake water.

[G-Tech Corporation]

If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.

The Omnissah would be very disappointed with her children if they let all her lesser creations get eaten.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.

Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

Tyranids are able to evolve and adapt to digest and absorb all matter. It won't be a problem for long.

[Mishmahig]

If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.

The Omnissah would be very disappointed with her children if they let all her lesser creations get eaten.

G!rtoler would be offended that his species had to rely on one of his unworthy creations to survive.

The Veritch would probably flee to the seas, as much as they hate them. Build massive ships in fleets, and sail away, far away.

[Caecuser]

Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

Tyranids are able to evolve and adapt to digest and absorb all matter. It won't be a problem for long.

Unfortunately Prime base cells are only viable for Prime life, they would have to be pure Prime in order to survive.

[Danbershan]

It takes a lot to handicap Nids



Well that would just destroy the entire world ecosystem, and kill everybody else.

Prime base cells can only exist in sources of fresh water, lakes and such, salt water would kill them. The only reason your civilization would die is if every individual drank some infested lake water.

But as soon as the Primes reach the mainland their base cells will be released into the continent's waterways...

If we just allow things to run their course, without interference (eg meteor strikes, plagues, etc), I see the world in three hundred years to be a wasteland composed of billions of Tyranids, with large numbers of Chosen still roaming as they please, and a couple of my guys hiding in the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, trying desperately not to be picked off by the 'Nids. Everyone else will be dead.

Fortunately Prime base cells are incredibly toxic to all non-Prime life, therefore Braazna will be a single island fortress still holding out until nukes are developed... and then it ends.

Well the Tyranids could just not drink the water. There are a lot of ways to kill things from afar without nuking them as well. Bombing runs, suicide squads, swarms of flying rippers, huge streams of acid being spat from the water.

As for the 'only viable for Prime life' - the Tyranids can just hijack the bits of DNA they need, and then go right on in there. It doesn't take much. Also, even in the Commonwealth Saga there are alienPrime, who obviously aren't pure Prime.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Tyranids are able to evolve and adapt to digest and absorb all matter. It won't be a problem for long.

Unfortunately Prime base cells are only viable for Prime life, they would have to be pure Prime in order to survive.

You didn't understand. The Tyranids evolve and adapt rapidly. In no more than a generation or so after coming into contact with a Prime will the Tyranids be able to easily digest it. And considering that most Tyranid lifespans are measured in hours, days, and weeks, it won't be long for that generation to be up.

[Caecuser]

Well, I guess we might as well call the RP over and say the Tyranids win if you continue along that thought. Also there are no alienPrimes in this RP, not yet. If the tyranids are going to go along as they are now then I should get "Prime base cells are hostile to any other life".

[Mishmahig]

Actually, how were the Tyrannids handicapped in this RP? I forget the discussion we had....

Eh, at least Neros isn't all "KILL ALL THE THINGS". There's actually diplomacy.

[G-Tech Corporation]

On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.

[Danbershan]

Well, I guess we might as well call the RP over and say the Tyranids win if you continue along that thought. Also there are no alienPrimes in this RP, not yet. If the tyranids are going to go along as they are now then I should get "Prime base cells are hostile to any other life".

Yes, I agree. The Tyranids are going to destroy everybody if something isn't done to stop them. And I see where you're coming from, but that would result in huge repurcussions for the entire planet: everywhere the Primes go, the ecosystem will collapse and almost everything will die. So much of the planet will become barren, and everything is killed, leaving loads of Primes on the ground, and my guys in the sky, and every other race having fled to the oceans.

[The Nuclear Fist]

On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.

Well, at least there's that.

[Caecuser]

Well, I guess we might as well call the RP over and say the Tyranids win if you continue along that thought. Also there are no alienPrimes in this RP, not yet. If the tyranids are going to go along as they are now then I should get "Prime base cells are hostile to any other life".

Yes, I agree. The Tyranids are going to destroy everybody if something isn't done to stop them. And I see where you're coming from, but that would result in huge repurcussions for the entire planet: everywhere the Primes go, the ecosystem will collapse and almost everything will die. So much of the planet will become barren, and everything is killed, leaving loads of Primes on the ground, and my guys in the sky, and every other race having fled to the oceans.

Well, Prime base cells are only produced by the immotiles, and in running rivers and stuff the base cells will be to dispersed to do any damage.

[Mishmahig]

On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.

Those hydragons aren't biotitans?

[G-Tech Corporation]

On an unrelated note, I like not having genes.

But seriously, the 'Nids got nerfed when Neros signed up. They don't have the capacity to adapt true Tyranids have, they don't have biotitans, and they don't reproduce nearly as quickly as they do in 40k. Zep made it so.

Those hydragons aren't biotitans?

There are hydragons? I haven't read Neros' most recent posts, since they don't really effect me.

[Danbershan]

Yes, I agree. The Tyranids are going to destroy everybody if something isn't done to stop them. And I see where you're coming from, but that would result in huge repurcussions for the entire planet: everywhere the Primes go, the ecosystem will collapse and almost everything will die. So much of the planet will become barren, and everything is killed, leaving loads of Primes on the ground, and my guys in the sky, and every other race having fled to the oceans.

Well, Prime base cells are only produced by the immotiles, and in running rivers and stuff the base cells will be to dispersed to do any damage.

Except they can reproduce by themselves, and so will naturally come to dominate every ecosystem, by killing off everything else which comes into contact with them.

[Caecuser]

Well, Prime base cells are only produced by the immotiles, and in running rivers and stuff the base cells will be to dispersed to do any damage.

Except they can reproduce by themselves, and so will naturally come to dominate every ecosystem, by killing off everything else which comes into contact with them.

So what then, what advantage do we have over Tyranids?

[Mishmahig]

Those hydragons aren't biotitans?

There are hydragons? I haven't read Neros' most recent posts, since they don't really effect me.

Yup. Giant leviathans that easily dwarf the largest ships (with the exception of the Chosen Island-Ships).

[G-Tech Corporation]

There are hydragons? I haven't read Neros' most recent posts, since they don't really effect me.

Yup. Giant leviathans that easily dwarf the largest ships (with the exception of the Chosen Island-Ships).

Hmm. That strikes me as.... wankish. Might need to take that one up with Zep.

[Mishmahig]

Yup. Giant leviathans that easily dwarf the largest ships (with the exception of the Chosen Island-Ships).

Hmm. That strikes me as.... wankish. Might need to take that one up with Zep.

I think he introduced them in his second post (with large pictures) and announced them in the OOC (with more pictures), and Zep hasn't said anything, so I think it's okay.

[Danbershan]

Except they can reproduce by themselves, and so will naturally come to dominate every ecosystem, by killing off everything else which comes into contact with them.

So what then, what advantage do we have over Tyranids?

You're a little bit smarter than they are, for now. You're better with technology. You're a little isolated, which will help your defence for a while. that's about it.

Just the fact that we have Tyranids means they're ridiculously overpowered. I went back and read the app, and the subsequent modifications, and the only way I see they can be brought down to such a level where Acts of God are unecessary are by slowing their generations down to about five years, and making the genetic modification process very arduous, so that it takes about fifty years to make any kind of improvement. Even then, they'll be bloody difficult.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm. That strikes me as.... wankish. Might need to take that one up with Zep.

I think he introduced them in his second post (with large pictures) and announced them in the OOC (with more pictures), and Zep hasn't said anything, so I think it's okay.

Ah, well I know Zep handicapped the 'nids somehow. Guess I don't know specifically how in that case.

[Caecuser]

Good points there, I guess the matter's settled. The Prime base cells won't be hostile to all life, only in highly concentrated doses. I think the Tyranids, with everything said, shouldn't be able to adapt.