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Shuggy555
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Postby Shuggy555 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:28 pm

the IT network is just a representation of all the lowest energy routs throughout the solar system, you can go almost anywhere using the IT network.
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Postby Danbershan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:31 pm

Shuggy555 wrote:the IT network is just a representation of all the lowest energy routs throughout the solar system, you can go almost anywhere using the IT network.


Well if you can find me a source that it can be used to travel to and from Hygiea, then that'll be fine.

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Shuggy555
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Postby Shuggy555 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:40 pm

Danbershan wrote:
Shuggy555 wrote:the IT network is just a representation of all the lowest energy routs throughout the solar system, you can go almost anywhere using the IT network.


Well if you can find me a source that it can be used to travel to and from Hygiea, then that'll be fine.

If you read up on the very notion of the IT network you will see that it is capable of transporting something almost anywhere in the solar system.

I really don't know how else to say it, it's all to do with the way it works with Lagrange points.
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Political/Economic ideology
My political/Economic beliefs are rather complex but if i would have to label elements of it, i would say its a mix between Syndicalism, Market socialism, communism, nihilism and a Technocracyism.
I only agree with particular aspects of each one thus i am going to call it Hughism, becuase thats my name and its my own personal beliefs.

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Postby Dolmhold » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:44 pm

Hmmm... so basically gravatational slingshot travel? Sweet! (Until some jerky planet decides to ban travel of foreign spacecraft through their space or something)

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Postby Danbershan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:51 pm

Shuggy555 wrote:
Danbershan wrote:
Well if you can find me a source that it can be used to travel to and from Hygiea, then that'll be fine.

If you read up on the very notion of the IT network you will see that it is capable of transporting something almost anywhere in the solar system.

I really don't know how else to say it, it's all to do with the way it works with Lagrange points.


I spent my youth looking at this stuff man. Other people went out and developed social skills, I sat there doing this crap. Eternal regret. But it does mean that I understand the functioning of the Interplanetary Transport Network, and I know that there may not be low energy transfers available between certain bodies which can be used practically. Although 10 Hygiea does have a low level of eccentricity, which helps, it may well still be very difficult to navigate its unique gravitational environment and reach the Earth-Moon system. Obviously I'm not saying that there is no low energy transfer, or series of low energy transfers, available, but I'm also stating that there might well not be. There could be other bodies which interfere with any such paths to such an extent that it would have been cheaper just to go some other route. We could establish, within the setting, that there is a cheap low energy transfer from Hygiea to the Moon. Nevertheless, you'll need to work crazy hard to compete with asteroid-states in Earth orbit, as well as however much water we define as existing on the Moon's surface.

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Postby Danbershan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:51 pm

Dolmhold wrote:Hmmm... so basically gravatational slingshot travel? Sweet! (Until some jerky planet decides to ban travel of foreign spacecraft through their space or something)


I hereby promise never to do that :L

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Postby Dolmhold » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:56 pm

Danbershan wrote:I spent my youth looking at this stuff man. Other people went out and developed social skills, I sat there doing this crap. Eternal regret.


Is it bad that I can relate to this? Except without the "all spent" bit yet?

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Postby Shuggy555 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:58 pm

Danbershan wrote:
Shuggy555 wrote:If you read up on the very notion of the IT network you will see that it is capable of transporting something almost anywhere in the solar system.

I really don't know how else to say it, it's all to do with the way it works with Lagrange points.


I spent my youth looking at this stuff man. Other people went out and developed social skills, I sat there doing this crap. Eternal regret. But it does mean that I understand the functioning of the Interplanetary Transport Network, and I know that there may not be low energy transfers available between certain bodies which can be used practically. Although 10 Hygiea does have a low level of eccentricity, which helps, it may well still be very difficult to navigate its unique gravitational environment and reach the Earth-Moon system. Obviously I'm not saying that there is no low energy transfer, or series of low energy transfers, available, but I'm also stating that there might well not be. There could be other bodies which interfere with any such paths to such an extent that it would have been cheaper just to go some other route. We could establish, within the setting, that there is a cheap low energy transfer from Hygiea to the Moon. Nevertheless, you'll need to work crazy hard to compete with asteroid-states in Earth orbit, as well as however much water we define as existing on the Moon's surface.

Yeah i know, however, i have a random question for you.
What is this RP going to actuely be about? And when does it start?

I am also one of thoughs types of people, however, i spent my time looking up things about nuclear power, as that is a career path i wont to go down.
Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

Political/Economic ideology
My political/Economic beliefs are rather complex but if i would have to label elements of it, i would say its a mix between Syndicalism, Market socialism, communism, nihilism and a Technocracyism.
I only agree with particular aspects of each one thus i am going to call it Hughism, becuase thats my name and its my own personal beliefs.

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Postby Danbershan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:03 pm

Dolmhold wrote:
Danbershan wrote:I spent my youth looking at this stuff man. Other people went out and developed social skills, I sat there doing this crap. Eternal regret.


Is it bad that I can relate to this? Except without the "all spent" bit yet?


Nah, it's not bad :L I was exaggerating a bit, I did socialize as well, I'm not as insular as some people. I was just pushing for my point. But if you feel its bad, talk to a couple people, it doesn't take a lot to boost your self esteem I find.

Shuggy555 wrote:
Danbershan wrote:
I spent my youth looking at this stuff man. Other people went out and developed social skills, I sat there doing this crap. Eternal regret. But it does mean that I understand the functioning of the Interplanetary Transport Network, and I know that there may not be low energy transfers available between certain bodies which can be used practically. Although 10 Hygiea does have a low level of eccentricity, which helps, it may well still be very difficult to navigate its unique gravitational environment and reach the Earth-Moon system. Obviously I'm not saying that there is no low energy transfer, or series of low energy transfers, available, but I'm also stating that there might well not be. There could be other bodies which interfere with any such paths to such an extent that it would have been cheaper just to go some other route. We could establish, within the setting, that there is a cheap low energy transfer from Hygiea to the Moon. Nevertheless, you'll need to work crazy hard to compete with asteroid-states in Earth orbit, as well as however much water we define as existing on the Moon's surface.

Yeah i know, however, i have a random question for you.
What is this RP going to actuely be about? And when does it start?

I am also one of thoughs types of people, however, i spent my time looking up things about nuclear power, as that is a career path i wont to go down.


OK, RP: tomorrow. About: basically we'll be RPing what our nations are doing, in relation to themselves, each other and the NPCs. Be realistic, rather than 'ooh, i want to paint the solar system my colour'. I'd just like to see the interesting things that happen, essentially. I've got a lot of ideas. I really wanted a Sinicized Angola or East Africa as well :(

Wow. I used to be much more transhumanist when I was younger. Now I like to describe myself as a technological realist (as in, other people haven't quite got the potential yet). It's not a religion like it is for some.

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Postby Soviet Ruk-Tsan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:38 pm

As for population, how about 400-500? As for old culture of Orangutans, that means how Orangutans used to act. By sort of monarchy, I mean there is a leader that is effectively the king, but that is not his title. There are also the equivalent of nobles. 'll deal with the other stuff later. I'm tired.
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Danbershan
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Postby Danbershan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:39 pm

Soviet Ruk-Tsan wrote:As for population, how about 400-500? As for old culture of Orangutans, that means how Orangutans used to act. By sort of monarchy, I mean there is a leader that is effectively the king, but that is not his title. There are also the equivalent of nobles. 'll deal with the other stuff later. I'm tired.


400-500 would be just about OK, but only as long as its a very young population, and there's been some ectogening going on. Orangutans aren't the type to have quickly-growing populations. Well how would that 'culture' have crossed over? What is it composed of, and how is it defined as a culture rather than psychology? And OK, you'll need to detail how your monarchy works. Whatever they call him, its still a monarchy. But is constitutional, absolute, somewhere in between? How is power delegated to others?

Cool, look forward to it.

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Dolmhold
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Postby Dolmhold » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:59 am

Danbershan wrote:

Nah, it's not bad :L I was exaggerating a bit, I did socialize as well, I'm not as insular as some people. I was just pushing for my point. But if you feel its bad, talk to a couple people, it doesn't take a lot to boost your self esteem I find.


Wow. I used to be much more transhumanist when I was younger. Now I like to describe myself as a technological realist (as in, other people haven't quite got the potential yet). It's not a religion like it is for some.


:) It isn't so bad for me, except that I almost always hang around with my friends only... Also, I'm currently in another nation where I don't understand a word (well, maybe a few words) that they're saying, so unfortunately I really can't talk to anyone much.

As for transhumanism becoming a religion- Whenever there is a group, there will always be those whom take it to the extreme. Similarly, I can swear that there is a Justin Bieber religion, based off how his masses act... Or an athiest one, based off those knee-jerk athiests. There really should be no problem calling yourself a transhumanist, although technological realist sounds nice as well.
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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:19 am

Dolmhold wrote:
Danbershan wrote:

Nah, it's not bad :L I was exaggerating a bit, I did socialize as well, I'm not as insular as some people. I was just pushing for my point. But if you feel its bad, talk to a couple people, it doesn't take a lot to boost your self esteem I find.


Wow. I used to be much more transhumanist when I was younger. Now I like to describe myself as a technological realist (as in, other people haven't quite got the potential yet). It's not a religion like it is for some.


:) It isn't so bad for me, except that I almost always hang around with my friends only... Also, I'm currently in another nation where I don't understand a word (well, maybe a few words) that they're saying, so unfortunately I really can't talk to anyone much.

As for transhumanism becoming a religion- Whenever there is a group, there will always be those whom take it to the extreme. Similarly, I can swear that there is a Justin Bieber religion, based off how his masses act... Or an athiest one, based off those knee-jerk athiests. There really should be no problem calling yourself a transhumanist, although technological realist sounds nice as well.


What country is that?

I'll put up the IC in the next half hour or so.

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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:54 am

IC is up, check the OP, go nuts everybody.

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Postby Dolmhold » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:59 am

Danbershan wrote:What country is that?


France. While I can read their text and understand up to 80% of it, I don't understand a word they're saying. Native speakers speak fast and slurred (Like in much of english), and unfortunately my ears can't get it all in time...

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East Brundus
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Postby East Brundus » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:40 am

I have two questions:
-Could I play as a corporation?
-Could I play as a society of "enlightened" orcas?

Good looking RP by the way.

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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:41 am

East Brundus wrote:I have two questions:
-Could I play as a corporation?
-Could I play as a society of "enlightened" orcas?

Good looking RP by the way.


Yes, and yes. Thanks. But run more details by me because they're both on the edge.

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Postby East Brundus » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:52 am

Ill think Ill go for the orcas, much more room to play around with speculative societies.
Well, I will need to know how are animals made sapient to expand on them.

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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:03 am

East Brundus wrote:Ill think Ill go for the orcas, much more room to play around with speculative societies.
Well, I will need to know how are animals made sapient to expand on them.


Genetic engineering: enlargement of the brain pan, creation of a bigger language center, perhaps modification of the blowhole so as to allow speech in human languages.

What you'll need to watch is that there'll be very few of these around, and the majority won't be in their own nation, but immersed in mainstream society. So you'll have a few dozen or so, unless you include various other peoples.

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Postby East Brundus » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:39 am

I was thinking an originally human society formed to "protect" etc... these sapient toothed whales and with time and the help of humanity (eg: building habitats or centres of communication) they eventually formed their own independent, yet open, community. Obviously small, Im will take numbers from RL orca pods.

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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:45 am

East Brundus wrote:I was thinking an originally human society formed to "protect" etc... these sapient toothed whales and with time and the help of humanity (eg: building habitats or centres of communication) they eventually formed their own independent, yet open, community. Obviously small, Im will take numbers from RL orca pods.


You could always throw in a few marine robots.

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Postby Sulamalik » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:16 pm

I'm not that active in FT/PMT RP, so please bear with me... if you wish to that is! I'm hoping threads such as this will give me a chance to get acclimated into this type of roleplaying.

Name of your Nation: East African Co-Operative
Demographics:
Population: 473'734'496
Racial Demographics: Native 'Black' Africans: (Various ethnic tribes divided upon language lines which range in the hundreds), high expat population from Asia, Europe, and the Americas.
Religious Demographics: Sunni Islam is practiced by the majority of citizens. Christianity (primarily Catholic and Protestant sects) occupy a close second. Traditional beliefs are still widely held in the rural areas.
Demographics of Language: Recognized languages include (but are not limited to): Amharic, Tigrinya, Somali, and the Bantu and Nilo-Saharan languages. Official languages: Arabic, Swahili, Portuguese, French, and English
Any other Demographic Details: Open immigration policies and a high GDP have turned urban centers into 'ethnic mosaics'. Major cities, for example Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, have non-African immigrants at an almost equal in number to natives.
Culture: Hundreds of Traditional African cultures.
Primary Cultural Contributors: A growing urban middle class has imported the cultural identity of those in America and Europe.
Notable Cultural Quirks: Hospitality is seen as the virtue just a few steps down from sainthood.
Any other Cultural Info?: Highly cosmopolitan and quick to adopt ideas and cultures.

Other
Political System: Supernational economic and military compact.
Economic System: Internal Market principles.
Location: The Co-Operative, as the name suggests, is a coalition of east African nations. This includes: Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, and Burundi, Mozambique and Madagascar. Defacto capitol is located in Das es Salaam. See map
History: Formed in the late 2020's as a continuation of the East African Community intergovernmental agency, the Co-Operative prime directive has always been "to harness the untapped potential of the collective African nations'. It is not so much a sovereign government as a international taskforce given the authority and resources needed to adequately represent East Africa's interests in the international community. Member states still retain sovereignty; allowed to host their own armies and manage their internal affairs, however nations pool their economies together, and donate soldiers to the organisation's defense force (EASDF). The Co-Operatives real strength is in the number of powerful Multinational corporations that make their home there. The locals have a popular saying regarding the Co-Operative: "Our primary exports are fruits, coffee, and PMC's." Despite their new found wealth and power the Co-op is still at the mercy of the Chinese superpower to the North-east. Though the exact nature of their relationship is muddled in political bias, no one can dispute the fact that East Africa has never taken any course of action that could conceivably hinder China.
Anything Else?: N/A
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Postby Danbershan » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:24 pm

Sulamalik wrote:I'm not that active in FT/PMT RP, so please bear with me... if you wish to that is! I'm hoping threads such as this will give me a chance to get acclimated into this type of roleplaying.

Name of your Nation: East African Co-Operative
Demographics:
Population: 281'358'000
Racial Demographics: Native 'Black' Africans: (Various ethnic tribes divided upon language lines which range in the hundreds), high expat population from Asia, Europe, and the Americas.
Religious Demographics: Sunni Islam is practiced by the majority of citizens. Christianity (primarily Catholic and Protestant sects) occupy a close second. Traditional beliefs are still widely held in the rural areas.
Demographics of Language: Recognized languages include (but are not limited to): Amharic, Tigrinya, Somali, and the Bantu and Nilo-Saharan languages. Official languages: Arabic, Swahili, Portuguese, French, and English
Any other Demographic Details: Open immigration policies and a high GDP have turned urban centers into 'ethnic mosaics'. Major cities, for example Dar es Salaam and Addis Ababa, have non-African immigrants at an almost equal in number to natives.
Culture: Hundreds of Traditional African cultures.
Primary Cultural Contributors: A growing urban middle class has imported the cultural identity of those in America and Europe.
Notable Cultural Quirks: Hospitality is seen as the virtue just a few steps down from sainthood.
Any other Cultural Info?: Highly cosmopolitan and quick to adopt ideas and cultures.

Other
Political System: Supernational economic and military compact.
Economic System: Internal Market principles.
Location: The Co-Operative, as the name suggests, is a coalition of east African nations. This includes: Ethiopia, Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, and Burundi, Mozambique and Madagascar. Defacto capitol is located in Das es Salaam. See map
History: Formed in the late 2020's as a continuation of the East African Community intergovernmental agency, the Co-Operative prime directive has always been "to harness the untapped potential of the collective African nations'. It is not so much a sovereign government as a international taskforce given the authority and resources needed to adequately represent East Africa's interests in the international community. Member states still retain sovereignty; allowed to host their own armies and manage their internal affairs, however nations pool their economies together, and donate soldiers to the organisation's defense force (EASDF). The Co-Operatives real strength is in the number of powerful Multinational corporations that make their home there. The locals have a popular saying regarding the Co-Operative: "Our primary exports are fruits, coffee, and PMC's."
Anything Else?: N/A


Well it's a bit big. Maybe leave out the Horn of Africa and its surroundings. So Kenya and south of that is OK. Also, you can bump up your population a little, even with a smaller nation. Would you mind emphasizing Chinese influence a little more as well? Cheers.

Very nice app though. I smiled as soon as I saw the name ;)

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Postby Sulamalik » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:37 pm

Absolutely, I guess poor Somalia won't be able to enjoy the safety and security offered under my hegemony... too bad.

I'll edit my history to included that their Parliament is under increased pressure by the PRC to offer them trade concussions at the cost of economic competitiveness. Though I'm wondering how much influence the Chinese should hold over my nation. Would we just not willing to step on their toes or are we a full blown puppet government?
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Postby Dolmhold » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:40 pm

Sulamalik wrote:Absolutely, I guess poor Somalia won't be able to enjoy the safety and security offered under my hegemony... too bad.

I'll edit my history to included that their Parliament is under increased pressure by the PRC to offer them trade concussions at the cost of economic competitiveness. Though I'm wondering how much influence the Chinese should hold over my nation. Would we just not willing to step on their toes or are we a full blown puppet government?


Based off current IRL trends, I'd say that either they hold your entire economy hostage, or the USA does as you export them the resources they need. The reverse is true, however. If they stop buying from you or you stop selling to them, their economies go down the drain. Both have backups, (USA has Canada), but China's backup called Russia isn't really going to turn out so well for them.

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