The Democratic Republic of Mars wrote:Question, Eusk. When will I be added to the map/economic and military data?
Answer the question please?
EDIT:NVM
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by The Democratic Republic of Mars » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:09 pm
The Democratic Republic of Mars wrote:Question, Eusk. When will I be added to the map/economic and military data?
by Neros » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:14 pm
Euskirribakondara wrote:Neros wrote:Okay, I'll explain this quickly:
We bred Polar Bears with Kodiak Bears (which is possible in nature to begin with) and from these cubs, we simply trained them in theoretical bear tactics. It's kinda like when you get a cub really young and you train it to be a circus bear, but he mauls soldiers to death.
Also, you people need to read up Tesla. His ideas and inventions where out of the realm in the 1910s, but strangely worked and were effective. This Flying Machine is based on a principle developed by Tesla and is proven to work - though in this age it requires more energy because we aren't using Tesla's AC nor his ionosphere charge to power the machine.
Technically, all the things we've developed are entirely possible in this timeline. Advanced? Yes. Overpowered? Perhaps. Realistic? Absolutely.
Okey. Here's what I think....
1) Polar Bears and Kodiak Bears which you got from where? Shipping them from America could take months and wouldn't be succesful.
You're taking them from a seasonal Continental weather to the tropics... THE TROPICS. First, you should at least develop a ship to bring them to South America... Because even by 1960s, IRL, it was tactically a nightmare to bring Polar bears to South America.
2) I know Tesla.. But if you DO read his work, not what other people say about his work; he wasn't succesful at all. And yes, you can make it succesful on this RP, because it is an RP. But it should take you a lot longer. You don't even have the best economy of the world, and we've made Germany wait like 10 years for their rockets. Now, we have to make you wait a lot more for all this Tesla's things. You have to start from the basics.
It is advanced, but it isn't realistic. And it is overpowered.
by Tsarsgrad » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:15 pm
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:23 pm
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:26 pm
Neros wrote:1. I co-operated on it with America. This happened in, hm, AMERICA. I sent my scientists to do the experiment there because, oh, Bears dont like tropical weather. There was no movement of bears until we had a final product, at which point they were trained enough to listen to the commands given to them similar to dogs. You seem to think I haven't thought this through enough, which seems to be dubious to say the least.
2. I suppose the American Economy is the largest, and oh, I guess we co-operated on this project with [guess who] again. Money was never a problem, so Tesla would have got the work done. Reason Germany had to wait 10 years? They lacked a proper rocket scientist like Goddard. Hell, Rocket theory in WW1 wasn't advanced enough to produce any real results until the 1920s, Tesla had more than theories, he had WORKING MODELS.
On Telsa; he was not successful in marketing his work. The work itself was proven time and time again to be plausible, he even gave shows of his work to prove it's legitimacy. The reason he never advanced as far as he should have? People like Thomas Edison who had stakes in areas that Tesla was developing - he wanted to provide people with free power, so investors thought they would get nothing in return. So, we have the man who can make these objects of power, give him the money and resources to produce such things, and yet it isn't realistic, even if he has developed such things as is?
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:27 pm
by Tsarsgrad » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:34 pm
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:37 pm
Valkstadt wrote:So why we making a new IC?
by Benutanairan » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:39 pm
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:42 pm
Benutanairan wrote:Damn well this is pretty much over.
by Benutanairan » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:44 pm
by Neros » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:48 pm
Euskirribakondara wrote:Neros wrote:1. I co-operated on it with America. This happened in, hm, AMERICA. I sent my scientists to do the experiment there because, oh, Bears dont like tropical weather. There was no movement of bears until we had a final product, at which point they were trained enough to listen to the commands given to them similar to dogs. You seem to think I haven't thought this through enough, which seems to be dubious to say the least.
2. I suppose the American Economy is the largest, and oh, I guess we co-operated on this project with [guess who] again. Money was never a problem, so Tesla would have got the work done. Reason Germany had to wait 10 years? They lacked a proper rocket scientist like Goddard. Hell, Rocket theory in WW1 wasn't advanced enough to produce any real results until the 1920s, Tesla had more than theories, he had WORKING MODELS.
On Telsa; he was not successful in marketing his work. The work itself was proven time and time again to be plausible, he even gave shows of his work to prove it's legitimacy. The reason he never advanced as far as he should have? People like Thomas Edison who had stakes in areas that Tesla was developing - he wanted to provide people with free power, so investors thought they would get nothing in return. So, we have the man who can make these objects of power, give him the money and resources to produce such things, and yet it isn't realistic, even if he has developed such things as is?
1. Final product or not, unless there was a genetical change, you can't have them in South America that easy.
2. Nope. The German Economy is the largest, not the American one.
3. Again, Tesla had no working models... Had unsuccesful models. Marketed or not, it was plausible but not under the current atmosphere of the world in 1910s, not even in the 1920s. The conspiracy theory (which is true, btw) you're talking about is lacking a very important thing. Tesla himself saw his works were not succesful under the conditions of HIS time. In fact, there were many little things that proved succesful, and were not economically sustainable... at all.
by Tsarsgrad » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:49 pm
Neros wrote:Well, America seems to have a larger population, production power, industrial, railroad network among other things, yet is still outclassed by Germany. Sounds fair and reasonable. [/sarcasm]
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:55 pm
Neros wrote:1. They're only militarily engaged in the Andes Mountains. Otherwise they are kept in cooled conditions. This is not hard to grasp.
2. Well, America seems to have a larger population, production power, industry, resources, railroad network among other things, yet is still outclassed by Germany. Sounds fair and reasonable. [/sarcasm]
3. Some sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam_weapon#Tesla - Tesla was so sure of his weapon that offered to sell it to the defense industries of European Powers. None partook, but it shows that if he had enough in him to offer it, it may have produced results. Also, his plans for the particle beam weapon are probable in their working, as it is simply shooting ionized mercury droplets at incredible speeds.
Another source: http://davidszondy.com/future/tesla/teslaray.htm
As for an Earthquake machine, this was already invented, but the scale of the device has been upped to increase it's effects.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseL ... lator.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla's_oscillator
On the flying machine:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia ... ng_Machine
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/tesl ... -motor.php
http://www.pritchardschool.com/Teslas_F ... achine.pdf
Now then, since I provided sources to back-up my own claims, where are yours? If you want, I could extend the length of project considerably so that you will be at ease, or something.
by Benutanairan » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:57 pm
Euskirribakondara wrote:Neros wrote:1. They're only militarily engaged in the Andes Mountains. Otherwise they are kept in cooled conditions. This is not hard to grasp.
2. Well, America seems to have a larger population, production power, industry, resources, railroad network among other things, yet is still outclassed by Germany. Sounds fair and reasonable. [/sarcasm]
3. Some sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam_weapon#Tesla - Tesla was so sure of his weapon that offered to sell it to the defense industries of European Powers. None partook, but it shows that if he had enough in him to offer it, it may have produced results. Also, his plans for the particle beam weapon are probable in their working, as it is simply shooting ionized mercury droplets at incredible speeds.
Another source: http://davidszondy.com/future/tesla/teslaray.htm
As for an Earthquake machine, this was already invented, but the scale of the device has been upped to increase it's effects.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseL ... lator.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla's_oscillator
On the flying machine:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia ... ng_Machine
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/tesl ... -motor.php
http://www.pritchardschool.com/Teslas_F ... achine.pdf
Now then, since I provided sources to back-up my own claims, where are yours? If you want, I could extend the length of project considerably so that you will be at ease, or something.
1. Not hard to grasp. But hard to think on how you got them on the Andes. There's no magical bridge between America and the Andes.
2. "larger population, production power, industry, resources, railroad network"
Wrong. Germany is better in those fields you mentioned, thanks to its colonies around the world, and the whole IC effort he's made into putting Germany there. Plus, the US (RPer or not) is starting its economical crisis right now.
3. I'll let you know my sources when I finish preparing the OP of the new IC thread.
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:58 pm
Tesla established a laboratory on Houston Street in New York at 46 E. There, at one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators, he allegedly generated a resonance of several buildings causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew it is said that the machine oscillated at the resonance frequency of his own building and, belatedly realizing the danger, he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the police arrived.
Tesla's oscillator is purely mechanical. Steam was forced into the oscillator, and exited through a series of ports, the net effect of which was to cause the armature to vibrate at high speed, within its casing. The casing was necessarily very strong, as temperatures due to pressure heating in the upper chamber exceeded 200 degrees, and the pressure reached 400psi. Other versions of the machine were created, designed to produce electrical power, both direct and alternating (without the need for rectifiers). Another variation used electromagnets to control the frequency of the piston's oscillation.
The Mythbusters television program made a small machine based on a similar principle, but driven by electricity rather than steam, to test the claimed earthquake effect; it produced vibrations in a large structure that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no significant shaking, and they judged the effect to be a busted myth. The vibration effect achieved in the experiment may be similar to what the earlier mentioned 1898 reporters experienced.
by Neros » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:59 pm
Euskirribakondara wrote:Neros wrote:1. They're only militarily engaged in the Andes Mountains. Otherwise they are kept in cooled conditions. This is not hard to grasp.
2. Well, America seems to have a larger population, production power, industry, resources, railroad network among other things, yet is still outclassed by Germany. Sounds fair and reasonable. [/sarcasm]
3. Some sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam_weapon#Tesla - Tesla was so sure of his weapon that offered to sell it to the defense industries of European Powers. None partook, but it shows that if he had enough in him to offer it, it may have produced results. Also, his plans for the particle beam weapon are probable in their working, as it is simply shooting ionized mercury droplets at incredible speeds.
Another source: http://davidszondy.com/future/tesla/teslaray.htm
As for an Earthquake machine, this was already invented, but the scale of the device has been upped to increase it's effects.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseL ... lator.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla's_oscillator
On the flying machine:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia ... ng_Machine
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/tesl ... -motor.php
http://www.pritchardschool.com/Teslas_F ... achine.pdf
Now then, since I provided sources to back-up my own claims, where are yours? If you want, I could extend the length of project considerably so that you will be at ease, or something.
1. Not hard to grasp. But hard to think on how you got them on the Andes. There's no magical bridge between America and the Andes.
2. "larger population, production power, industry, resources, railroad network"
Wrong. Germany is better in those fields you mentioned, thanks to its colonies around the world, and the whole IC effort he's made into putting Germany there. Plus, the US (RPer or not) is starting its economical crisis right now.
3. I'll let you know my sources when I finish preparing the OP of the new IC thread.
by Euskirribakondara » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:59 pm
by Neros » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:02 pm
Euskirribakondara wrote:Although one of your sources disagrees with you...Tesla established a laboratory on Houston Street in New York at 46 E. There, at one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators, he allegedly generated a resonance of several buildings causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew it is said that the machine oscillated at the resonance frequency of his own building and, belatedly realizing the danger, he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the police arrived.
Tesla's oscillator is purely mechanical. Steam was forced into the oscillator, and exited through a series of ports, the net effect of which was to cause the armature to vibrate at high speed, within its casing. The casing was necessarily very strong, as temperatures due to pressure heating in the upper chamber exceeded 200 degrees, and the pressure reached 400psi. Other versions of the machine were created, designed to produce electrical power, both direct and alternating (without the need for rectifiers). Another variation used electromagnets to control the frequency of the piston's oscillation.
The Mythbusters television program made a small machine based on a similar principle, but driven by electricity rather than steam, to test the claimed earthquake effect; it produced vibrations in a large structure that could be felt hundreds of feet away, but no significant shaking, and they judged the effect to be a busted myth. The vibration effect achieved in the experiment may be similar to what the earlier mentioned 1898 reporters experienced.
Where are your materials for making a good casing that can carry your invention?
I'm criticizing what you claim as an enhanced version. I know the oscillator itself it's possible, enough to make a building shake a bit.... Not enough to use it as an Army weapon.
In 1885 Tesla claimed he could redesign Edison's inefficient motor and generators, making an improvement in both service and economy. According to Tesla, Edison remarked "There's fifty thousand dollars in it for you - if you can do it".[42] This has been noted as an odd statement from an Edison whose company was stingy with pay and did not have that sort of cash on hand.[43] After months of work when Tesla finished the task and inquired about payment Edison claimed he was only joking replying, "Tesla, you don't understand our American humor".[44][45] Edison offered a $10 a week raise over Tesla's US$18 per week salary, but Tesla refused it and immediately resigned.[42]
by Benutanairan » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:05 pm
by Gross Prussia » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:10 pm
by Gross Prussia » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:12 pm
Chinese Federation wrote:Gross Prussia wrote:@ Chinese Federation: Since I am buying you the land I dont want to see you complaining about the fact you lost western ukraine.
@Founderless and Sausage: I am extremely soory, but Italy launch an sneaky attack on the A-H empire, and those territories were austrian less than 50 years ago.Remember I had more or less 950.000 Italians in POW camps (You are going to have to pay for them and for war reparations just the modic price of 2 billion dollars).
i didnt want to sell though, western Ukraine + Moldavia is worth far more than 2 billion
by Gross Prussia » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:13 pm
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