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The Democratic Republic of Mars
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Postby The Democratic Republic of Mars » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:04 am

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No offense Tsar, but without Hitler Germany would've never been as good as it was. Hitler turned the devastated Germany economy into a powerhouse within his regime, if Germany would have waited before actually starting the war they could've developed the atomic bomb first and their economy would be strong than that of the United States and UK combined at the time. It's obscene to think a pre-Hitler Germany would surpass the United States, I don't care what the thread owner says it couldn't happen. Hitler did several things that made Germany very strong, even if people frowned upon his ideals. Hitler's political and economic methods allowed Germany to develop the nuclear theory and develop Germany in the fields of military advancement, they had the first jet planes which if they would've worked on them instead of discontinuing them they could've made reliable and won D-Day, winning WW2. Don't ever insult a key figure from history, even if you disagree with their methods, most of them did something to get where they were to commit these atrocities and some did some good things or world altering things that were for the good of humanity.


Don't get me wrong, the man was a brilliant leader and a great politician; It's just that many of his military tactics and ideas (invading Russia, rushing war) where not very wise.


Well, it was that or when he warred Britain have a 8 million man army blitz into Berlin. Otto Von Bismarck once said that the key to German success is to ally Russia. Well after Otto died, his successors broke ties with Russia, which ended up screwing Hitler over because he had no one to defend his back.
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Postby Chinese Federation » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:07 am

Russia planed to betray Germany too. as soon his war with Finland is done, Stalin was going take the rest of Poland
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Postby The Democratic Republic of Mars » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:28 am

Canada

We wish to receive a 21% discount on all natural resources exported from Canada to India in exchange for us making Canada the exclusive supplier of zinc and metals to India. This would both boost our economy and yours, and this contract will only be in place for as long as you agree to it. 200 million rabid consumers purchasing discounted resources for manufacturing tends to add up to more than it was, especially when you will become the exclusive provider for our zinc and metal needs, for as long as you agree and can provide for us, of course.
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Postby Valkstadt » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:16 am

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He was a terrible strategist, to be honest. Politics where really his only skill set. I remember seeing this old movie that made fun of him and Mussolini where Charlie Chapman played as Hitler. Is was pretty funny.


OOG:No offense Tsar, but without Hitler Germany would've never been as good as it was. Hitler turned the devastated Germany economy into a powerhouse within his regime, if Germany would have waited before actually starting the war they could've developed the atomic bomb first and their economy would be strong than that of the United States and UK combined at the time. It's obscene to think a pre-Hitler Germany would surpass the United States, I don't care what the thread owner says it couldn't happen. Hitler did several things that made Germany very strong, even if people frowned upon his ideals. Hitler's political and economic methods allowed Germany to develop the nuclear theory and develop Germany in the fields of military advancement, they had the first jet planes which if they would've worked on them instead of discontinuing them they could've made reliable and won D-Day, winning WW2. Don't ever insult a key figure from history, even if you disagree with their methods, most of them did something to get where they were to commit these atrocities and some did some good things or world altering things that were for the good of humanity.

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I agree. I really admire what he did, excluding the holocaust. Germany was really a shit hole before him and in 10 years, he had Germany ruling Europe and Northern Africa. Quite amazing if you ask me. Made some tactical mistakes along the way and underestimated the Soviets but definately could have won WWII.
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Postby Republic Of Hell » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:17 am

Anyone else think Hitler would have had a better chance if he put effort in to nukes and not his rocket program?

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Postby Valkstadt » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:21 am

Republic Of Hell wrote:Anyone else think Hitler would have had a better chance if he put effort in to nukes and not his rocket program?

Well you he to go with what's working. If you have long range rockets that are effective I would work on those before trying to create something pretty much unheard of. It would have been a huge gamble and I would have focused on making the V2s better and better.
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Postby The Democratic Republic of Mars » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:30 am

Republic Of Hell wrote:Anyone else think Hitler would have had a better chance if he put effort in to nukes and not his rocket program?


Hitler would've been able to produce both if he made the Me-262 more reliable, Omni. He could finish off the D-Day invasion delaying WW2 and allowing him to produce nukes.
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:09 am

The Democratic Republic of Mars wrote:Canada

We wish to receive a 21% discount on all natural resources exported from Canada to India in exchange for us making Canada the exclusive supplier of zinc and metals to India. This would both boost our economy and yours, and this contract will only be in place for as long as you agree to it. 200 million rabid consumers purchasing discounted resources for manufacturing tends to add up to more than it was, especially when you will become the exclusive provider for our zinc and metal needs, for as long as you agree and can provide for us, of course.


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Postby Tsarsgrad » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:40 am

The Democratic Republic of Mars wrote:
Tsarsgrad wrote:
Don't get me wrong, the man was a brilliant leader and a great politician; It's just that many of his military tactics and ideas (invading Russia, rushing war) where not very wise.


Well, it was that or when he warred Britain have a 8 million man army blitz into Berlin. Otto Von Bismarck once said that the key to German success is to ally Russia. Well after Otto died, his successors broke ties with Russia, which ended up screwing Hitler over because he had no one to defend his back.


That's very true. The USSR was in disarray at the time, do it was probably the best chance he would have had. The fact that he underestimated the Soviets and didn't give his men winter gear probably did a lot for his defeat.

Still, there's a lot to be said for the man. There's a reason he got Time magazine's man of the year award. Don't be suprised if we see Mr Hitler getting Prime Minister soon. ;)
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Postby Euskirribakondara » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:23 pm

Costa Fiero wrote:Would it be possible to RP as an independent state in the Middle East such as Iraq?


ON BOARD! You'd have to RP an independence movement from the Ottoman Empire if you'll take Iraq, Turkey, Kuwait.
You are already independent as Arabia or Northern Yemen.
And Afghanistan is totally free.

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Postby Euskirribakondara » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:24 pm

I will update everything today.... I was yesterday in a historical moment!

The bull fighting ring of Bogotá was converted into a cultural center (:.... We're now finally getting rid of all the bad Spanish culture left on us from the Colonial times. Yay!!!!!!
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Postby Euskirribakondara » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:26 pm

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Hmm.... The Sykes-Picot agreement started BEFORE the Ottomans were even defeated. In fact, late 1914.

so? the agreement was never implemented in this timeline


I don't really know if it wasn't. In fact, you were not here, to start.
But okey, let's just say it accounted for the coastline of Syria.

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Postby Aldares » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:45 pm

Wait, I can choose other countries other than Japan? If I could, would it be possible to claim Israel or Jerusalem?

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Postby Chinese Federation » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:47 pm

Aldares wrote:Wait, I can choose other countries other than Japan? If I could, would it be possible to claim Israel or Jerusalem?

its in Ottoman hands. you can pick the Ottoman Empire though
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Postby Euskirribakondara » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:58 pm

Aldares wrote:Wait, I can choose other countries other than Japan? If I could, would it be possible to claim Israel or Jerusalem?


No Japan can't claim neither Israel, nor Jerusalem. Israel's independent. Jerusalem is kind of everyone's.

You can take the Ottomans (which would get you in a war with me), or any other nation... Japan, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Tibet, Nepal, Burma, Arabia, Northern Yemen, Ethiopia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Haiti, Dominican Republic....
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Postby Aldares » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:12 pm

Euskirribakondara wrote:
Aldares wrote:Wait, I can choose other countries other than Japan? If I could, would it be possible to claim Israel or Jerusalem?


No Japan can't claim neither Israel, nor Jerusalem. Israel's independent. Jerusalem is kind of everyone's.

You can take the Ottomans (which would get you in a war with me), or any other nation... Japan, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Tibet, Nepal, Burma, Arabia, Northern Yemen, Ethiopia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Haiti, Dominican Republic....

Not as Japan, silly. Can I change my nation to Israel and attempt to gain independence?

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Postby Euskirribakondara » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:21 pm

Aldares wrote:Not as Japan, silly. Can I change my nation to Israel and attempt to gain independence?


Israel is already independent. Go ahead!
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Postby Benutanairan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:55 pm

Mind you Spain didn't have female suffrage or a a more acceptable constitution until the Republican spanish regime of the 1930s. However the coalition government is about to put out the treaty of gibralter to formalize the government.
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Postby Costa Fiero » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:52 pm

Euskirribakondara wrote:ON BOARD! You'd have to RP an independence movement from the Ottoman Empire if you'll take Iraq, Turkey, Kuwait.
You are already independent as Arabia or Northern Yemen.
And Afghanistan is totally free.


I will be able to RP one. I've also decided to compile a list of equipment, aircraft etc. so that I can RP more accurately when the war eventually comes to my doorstep.

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Postby Republic Of Hell » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:54 pm

The Democratic Republic of Mars wrote:
Republic Of Hell wrote:Anyone else think Hitler would have had a better chance if he put effort in to nukes and not his rocket program?


Hitler would've been able to produce both if he made the Me-262 more reliable, Omni. He could finish off the D-Day invasion delaying WW2 and allowing him to produce nukes.


Bis y u make more than one accounts

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Postby Burkia » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:19 pm

Yeah, I was in the hospital and I come back to this. It doesn't matter anyways, this Rp has been out in left field most of the time anyways.
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Postby Euskirribakondara » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:41 pm

Burkia wrote:Yeah, I was in the hospital and I come back to this. It doesn't matter anyways, this Rp has been out in left field most of the time anyways.


How about taking another country? You're an experienced RPer
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Postby Chinese Federation » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:12 pm

if the Armenians are being deported, then why are they being deported to Portugal and not Armenia in Russia?
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Postby Benutanairan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:18 pm

Why are GB and Japan vacant?
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Postby Valkstadt » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:30 pm

Benutanairan wrote:Why are GB and Japan vacant?

I got a really good RPer coming to get Japan.
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