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by Orinon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:16 am
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by Corrian » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:27 am
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by Kershya » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:58 am
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by Pragia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:31 pm
by Mighty Asgard » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:00 pm
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by Altruistic Paladins » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:30 pm
by Kintain » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:59 pm
Mighty Asgard wrote:Michael
Michael let the students debate for a while before interrupting. "Very good, I think we'll pause there. So far it seems that largely everyone has different ideas what ethics is, and what value it holds. This is nothing odd at all, it is in fact the point I wanted to make. You will likely never find anyone who thinks exactly like you do, who has the exact same ethics as you. This does not, however, mean that ethics hold no value. Ethics guide the perceptions of the public, the opinions of the majority form the basis of the unwritten code of ethics that we are all judged by. That is what we will discuss now, practical application of ethics."
He erased the writing on the whiteboard and replaced it with the words 'killing a person' before facing the class again. "Some of you touched on this already. Most people would agree that killing a person is bad, but then amend exceptions when it is not. Killing in self-defense, killing enemies in a war, killing some criminals, killing people 'who deserve it'. People often think that these are acceptable exceptions to the rule of killing being bad. The same is true for stealing, many would agree that stealing is acceptable if you do it to feed your starving family but not just because you want something that belongs to someone else." He erased the board again and left it blank. "So, it is important to recognize what falls within the acceptable range of actions so you can ensure that you can keep inside the acceptable."
He looked across the class and smiled pleasantly, "does anyone want to make a guess as to why this is important to know?"
by Pragia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:24 pm
Kintain wrote:Mighty Asgard wrote:Michael
Michael let the students debate for a while before interrupting. "Very good, I think we'll pause there. So far it seems that largely everyone has different ideas what ethics is, and what value it holds. This is nothing odd at all, it is in fact the point I wanted to make. You will likely never find anyone who thinks exactly like you do, who has the exact same ethics as you. This does not, however, mean that ethics hold no value. Ethics guide the perceptions of the public, the opinions of the majority form the basis of the unwritten code of ethics that we are all judged by. That is what we will discuss now, practical application of ethics."
He erased the writing on the whiteboard and replaced it with the words 'killing a person' before facing the class again. "Some of you touched on this already. Most people would agree that killing a person is bad, but then amend exceptions when it is not. Killing in self-defense, killing enemies in a war, killing some criminals, killing people 'who deserve it'. People often think that these are acceptable exceptions to the rule of killing being bad. The same is true for stealing, many would agree that stealing is acceptable if you do it to feed your starving family but not just because you want something that belongs to someone else." He erased the board again and left it blank. "So, it is important to recognize what falls within the acceptable range of actions so you can ensure that you can keep inside the acceptable."
He looked across the class and smiled pleasantly, "does anyone want to make a guess as to why this is important to know?"
"Because if you don't know these 'boundaries' or ignore them, you're bound to find yourself thrown into an 8 by 8 by mindless brutes." Jack's voice was thick with sarcasm, "Then again, if you're good enough, you won't be caught, if you're rich enough, you'll buy your way out, if you're popular enough, the law ends up being 'nicer,' if you're powerful enough, you can shrug it off and give the system a smirk and a finger."
by Corrian » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:43 pm
by Kintain » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:37 pm
Pragia wrote:Kintain wrote:
"Because if you don't know these 'boundaries' or ignore them, you're bound to find yourself thrown into an 8 by 8 by mindless brutes." Jack's voice was thick with sarcasm, "Then again, if you're good enough, you won't be caught, if you're rich enough, you'll buy your way out, if you're popular enough, the law ends up being 'nicer,' if you're powerful enough, you can shrug it off and give the system a smirk and a finger."
Rena barely had made it in and she was already annoyed, she spoke up, "Maybe if people didn't ignore or bothered to learn these boundaries, they wouldn't be locked up?." she said, spite laced into her voice. She hated people who blamed the way they grew up for how they act. She had dealt with living in between families that didn't care and living out on the street, and she didn't care that she had that type of upbringing. She instead decided to go her own way and move beyond blatant immorallity.
by Kershya » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:46 pm
by Pragia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:52 pm
Kintain wrote:Pragia wrote:Rena barely had made it in and she was already annoyed, she spoke up, "Maybe if people didn't ignore or bothered to learn these boundaries, they wouldn't be locked up?." she said, spite laced into her voice. She hated people who blamed the way they grew up for how they act. She had dealt with living in between families that didn't care and living out on the street, and she didn't care that she had that type of upbringing. She instead decided to go her own way and move beyond blatant immorallity.
Jack sneered, "maybe if we listened to Darwin, Nietzsche, and whatnot, we'd actually be living life as it was meant to be lived instead up of desperately trying to control that which does not need controlling. Yes, I know I'm a bitter person, but I am free in all the ways that you are not. Nature is a constant strive for title of the strongest, the most intelligent, and the most cunning. Humanity in general is caught up in a dream where everything lives together harmoniously, blindly unaware that many damn themselves to be the last men. It only thanks to those who strive, those who break the limits, the "rules," the false idea of fairness, that humanity has been able to come so far while the rest help make humanity fall so low."
by Kintain » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:01 pm
Pragia wrote:Kintain wrote:
Jack sneered, "maybe if we listened to Darwin, Nietzsche, and whatnot, we'd actually be living life as it was meant to be lived instead up of desperately trying to control that which does not need controlling. Yes, I know I'm a bitter person, but I am free in all the ways that you are not. Nature is a constant strive for title of the strongest, the most intelligent, and the most cunning. Humanity in general is caught up in a dream where everything lives together harmoniously, blindly unaware that many damn themselves to be the last men. It only thanks to those who strive, those who break the limits, the "rules," the false idea of fairness, that humanity has been able to come so far while the rest help make humanity fall so low."
Rena had a genuine look of total confusion on her face at hearing that. "What does that have to do with anything? Why not help those who cannot help themselves, being ethical doesn't make you less free, unless you want the freedom to do evil and unethical things. Why not allow others to better themselves, we are above animals, and that is why we have ethics and morality, to keep us from becoming them." She said, beaming with optimism. She then sat down and tried to make a little bit of ice on the guys lips to stick them shut.
by Pragia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:10 pm
Kintain wrote:Pragia wrote:Rena had a genuine look of total confusion on her face at hearing that. "What does that have to do with anything? Why not help those who cannot help themselves, being ethical doesn't make you less free, unless you want the freedom to do evil and unethical things. Why not allow others to better themselves, we are above animals, and that is why we have ethics and morality, to keep us from becoming them." She said, beaming with optimism. She then sat down and tried to make a little bit of ice on the guys lips to stick them shut.
Jack roared with laughter, "HAHAHA!!!! you...hehehe.. you think us better than animals? Hahaha!!! You are like the rest of them, think our superiority is declared in the rules we place on ourselves, that it makes us noble and righteous. Hehehehe... I've got new for you, Nature, the world, the universe has not an ounce of care for these ethics. Nobility and righteousness means nothing in the grand picture. They're just hare-brained ideas of weaklings trying to find something they can use to declare how good, how much better they are than others." Jack felt his lips growing cold, wiping his lips, he found ice forming upon his lips, smiling he looked straight at this girl who sat next to Thomas, "Oh? So the brute enforces now?"
by Kintain » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:15 pm
Pragia wrote:Kintain wrote:
Jack roared with laughter, "HAHAHA!!!! you...hehehe.. you think us better than animals? Hahaha!!! You are like the rest of them, think our superiority is declared in the rules we place on ourselves, that it makes us noble and righteous. Hehehehe... I've got new for you, Nature, the world, the universe has not an ounce of care for these ethics. Nobility and righteousness means nothing in the grand picture. They're just hare-brained ideas of weaklings trying to find something they can use to declare how good, how much better they are than others." Jack felt his lips growing cold, wiping his lips, he found ice forming upon his lips, smiling he looked straight at this girl who sat next to Thomas, "Oh? So the brute enforces now?"
Thomas stood at this point, defending his sister, "Yes, because you're not too hair-brained when you decide to jump random people and shoot lasers at them. Thank you for demonstrating your views on animalism, and what are you talking about? 'Brute enforcing power?'
Thomas was genuinely confused as to what he was talking about. Hell, he didn't even know Rena had superpowers beyond zapping a couple people. He was also surprised by her composure, since last time he talked to her she was a literal and figurative ball of energy.
by Altruistic Paladins » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:17 pm
by Camicon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:34 pm
Kintain wrote:Pragia wrote:Thomas stood at this point, defending his sister, "Yes, because you're not too hair-brained when you decide to jump random people and shoot lasers at them. Thank you for demonstrating your views on animalism, and what are you talking about? 'Brute enforcing power?'
Thomas was genuinely confused as to what he was talking about. Hell, he didn't even know Rena had superpowers beyond zapping a couple people. He was also surprised by her composure, since last time he talked to her she was a literal and figurative ball of energy.
"Let's see, what was that quote? Yes, I believe it went something like, 'your god guarantees my insanity, but may I ask? Who guarantees your god's sanity?'" A cruel smile danced upon Jack's face, "Don't you think it's even a bit insane to believe that something that has had no reason and no place for existence, up until man appeared, is real?" Jack rested his head on one arm propped up onto his desk, "Or are ethics, morals, and religion just... 'political'?"
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