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[SaintB]

I have to admit something, I've been loling to myself for a while now. I flat out told you guys its only 'mech on 'mech simulation, no other enemies involved for this one, and that the laser turrets were offline and don't pose a threat. Dave is just playing along though since he's just supposed to be another team member to fill out your ranks.

[Northern Dominus]

I have to admit something, I've been loling to myself for a while now. I flat out told you guys its only 'mech on 'mech simulation, no other enemies involved for this one, and that the laser turrets were offline and don't pose a threat. Dave is just playing along though since he's just supposed to be another team member to fill out your ranks.

Oh god, what's coming down the pipe at us...

[SaintB]

I just realised my last post might need another edit. At the time I thought GSS was a wholly new organisation and our characters were founding members but I just re-read the OP and realised it's actually been established for a while and it's only Bear's Brigade that's newly founded. Just means I might have to revise Jaz's long-term goal of sitting on the company's executive board once it gets big enough to have one, though she'll probably still be looking to get Wilds' job some day.

Maybe, but first she and Bear's Brigade have to survive the Jihad

In other news, Stryk and I sorta engaged in a Battletech "what if" historical scenario via TG and I thought it would be fun to bring it to the masses here.
To wit, the genesis of the whole thing was started by the idea that maybe the Persians ruling the greeks for a bit (IE the battle of Thermopylae going horribly wrong for the Spartans), wouldn't have been a bad thing. So with that in mind, I had to wonder how this sort of thinking could be applied to the Battetech unvierse.

Which lead me to this: The breaking up of the Federated Commonwealth into Suns and Lyran halves again, despite being a bloody deavistating affair, in the long run is a good thing for the Inner Sphere.

Before I put my answer out there, what does everyone else think about the FedCom dissolution? Good in the long run, bad, indifferent? What say you?

On the other hand if the Federate Commonwealth hadn't dissolved a new Terran Hedgemony would have formed and the Word of Blake wouldn't have had all the fractured political bodies to manipulate into attacking each other. So, who knows...

[Northern Dominus]

Maybe, but first she and Bear's Brigade have to survive the Jihad

In other news, Stryk and I sorta engaged in a Battletech "what if" historical scenario via TG and I thought it would be fun to bring it to the masses here.
To wit, the genesis of the whole thing was started by the idea that maybe the Persians ruling the greeks for a bit (IE the battle of Thermopylae going horribly wrong for the Spartans), wouldn't have been a bad thing. So with that in mind, I had to wonder how this sort of thinking could be applied to the Battetech unvierse.

Which lead me to this: The breaking up of the Federated Commonwealth into Suns and Lyran halves again, despite being a bloody deavistating affair, in the long run is a good thing for the Inner Sphere.

Before I put my answer out there, what does everyone else think about the FedCom dissolution? Good in the long run, bad, indifferent? What say you?

On the other hand if the Federate Commonwealth hadn't dissolved a new Terran Hedgemony would have formed and the Word of Blake wouldn't have had all the fractured political bodies to manipulate into attacking each other. So, who knows...

But, you forget: the Federated Commonwealth isn't always lead by somebody who is level-headed or pragmatic. Case in point, look at Hanse Davion. If I recall one of his monikers was "The Fox" for being so willy in his dealings, but the 4th Succession War begs to differ. Oh sure, it was initiated under the auspices of "reconquering former territory", but really it seems like the entire thing was sparked primarily by a vendetta against Max Liao's attempt to replace him with a body double. Granted that would piss anybody off, but really? Launching a full-scale war that results in the deaths of millions over that? And that's not getting into another suspected motivation; Old man Hanse wanting to impress his hot teenage nordic wife whom he gained through an arranged marriage.

So imagine if you will if Katherine Steiner-Davion was more thorough in her machinations (IE kill Victor instead of driving him into exile), and she managed to consolidate the power of the Federated Commonwealth into her. Obviously she isn't the most stable of people and is probably as conquest-minded as her daddy was. The trick here is the situation in the 3060's is vastly different than it was in the 3030's. Now not only are you contending with the Successor States with much more advanced lethal technology, you also have the obvious added threat of the Clans in IS space just itching for a fight (Jade Falcon in particular). On top of that you have the Blakists making their own moves and building up military power, so eventually they would have been brought into any sort of conflict sparked by Katherine sooner or later.

So in the end, I contend that the breakup of the Federated Commonwealth, though painful and bloody, was a good thing in the long run. History has a tendency to repeat itself, and sooner or later some conquest-minded Steiner-Davion would have gotten the reigns and wreaked all sorts of havoc with it.

[Northern Dominus]

Ah yes, the whole "might makes right" mindset. Against a more traditional foe, say the Draconis Combine, that could potentially work with enough initiative and speed...sort of starting with not announcing your intentions at the reception of your wedding.
The thing is the Federated Commonwealth didn't invade the Draconis Combine, they instead invaded the Capellan Confederation. Not the biggest successor state on the block but very well versed in the art of guerrilla warfare. As you know, such combat isn't designed to win battles. Instead it's designed to bog advances down and soak up inordinate amounts of resources. Were it not for internal strife and a lack of prior planning the Capellans could very well have bogged the FedCom advance down long enough to convince the Free Worlds League to get in on the action. That coupled with the Draconis Combine attacking areas where units had been pulled could have spelled a very bad ending for the 4th Succession War.
The other problem is who exactly will be conqured. Sure the Lyrans managed to retake several of their former worlds and liberate a lot of Free Rasalhague ones as well, but beyond former worlds that might not like their former conquerers you run into the problem of capturing worlds that suddenly become havens for very hostile splinter groups indeed, making them yummy objective worlds in the future.
And that's just the worst case scenario for the new Federated Commonwealth if the 4th Succession War hadn't gone the way it did. Imagine what Katherine Steiner-Davion would have done if her plans to consolidate power had gone her way. Now things are worse, because not only would she heartily engage in war against the Capellans and the Free World League, again, but given her machinations its very likely the Clans would have taken the initiative to start invading again, which in turn would have spurred early action of the Word of Blake most likely.

I am a firm Hobbesian; it is my belief that a strong government is critical to a secure state. A good example is "giving your right to kill your neighbor up to a king, because why would the king kill his own subjects if they were not rebelling?" But the we get to the subject of tyrants. I am very glad that Katherine Steriner-Davion did not succeed in her agenda, because the Federated Commonwealth would not have survived, as smaller states or one empire.

That's the tricky part. Katherine was in fact a tyrant, Hanse wasn't. Yet Hanse was the one that used a vendetta and bravado to guide the initiation of the 4th Succession War. Strength of government is one thing, however wielding a sword haphazadly in that fashion is another thing entirely, and it gets worse with a maniac at the helm.

Now it's true that other Successor States have had this problem. Takashi Kurita wasn't exactly a model of stability for a long time, hell he threw an entire district against the Dragoons in the same war. However the difference here is that within the Draconis Combine there's an eternal state of struggle between various factions, so eventually any action is going to be opposed and often violently at some point or another. With the Federated Commonwealth it was different, the leaders had a rather positive cult of Personality built up around them, even Katherine. I mean, the entire Lyran half backed her during the civil war.

[Ularn]

Somebody POST!

[Northern Dominus]

Somebody POST!

I'm really tempted to just to remind everyone it's still a thing. Still waiting on Stryk..and new guy... yay more TG bombing to be done.

[Ularn]

Somebody POST!

I'm really tempted to just to remind everyone it's still a thing. Still waiting on Stryk..and new guy... yay more TG bombing to be done.

Don't forget Hard

[Northern Dominus]

I'm really tempted to just to remind everyone it's still a thing. Still waiting on Stryk..and new guy... yay more TG bombing to be done.

Don't forget Hard

At least we know they're still in. I can't tell you how many telegrams I've sent to older players only to get jack-all in return. It's gone beyond annoying at this point

In news more pertinent to Jazz, I've sorta been playing with loadouts and I might have hit upon a good future upgrades for the Bulldyke..

[Oblivion2]

Ok so I finally get my ass around to posting and everyone else ditches.... Am I bad luck or what?

[Northern Dominus]

Ok so I finally get my ass around to posting and everyone else ditches.... Am I bad luck or what?

Yup, so now you have to visit your local gypsy woman to get the hex lifted

Naw, its not your fault, its sort of an odd hiccup which will be corrected in one way or another.

[Oblivion2]

Ok so I finally get my ass around to posting and everyone else ditches.... Am I bad luck or what?

Yup, so now you have to visit your local gypsy woman to get the hex lifted

Naw, its not your fault, its sort of an odd hiccup which will be corrected in one way or another.

My luck tends to be akin with that of Aidan Pryde.

[Northern Dominus]

Yup, so now you have to visit your local gypsy woman to get the hex lifted

Naw, its not your fault, its sort of an odd hiccup which will be corrected in one way or another.

My luck tends to be akin with that of Aidan Pryde.

I thought Aidan was pretty badass and headstrong. I thought the only reason he was smacked down to freeborn status was because he didn't take into account his sibko before trying to hedge things in his favor and he rose back up eventually anyway?

[Oblivion2]

Aidan had skill but no luck. He got smacked down in his trial cause he initiated a general melee by striking someone outside the circle of equals (perfectly legal) then his girlfriend/rival whose name I can't recall blasted him to holy hell.

Then there's the part where he had a kid and didnt know about it and having his jumpship nearly get ripped apart with him on it, and then there was the whole falcon guard incident and then his eventual epic death. Good guy, mad skills, terrible luck.

[Ularn]

Got bored; reorganised the OP into something a little less clumsy with less repetition of information like 'mechwarrior names, callsigns and players. It also links to the player's nation and to the character's original application for easy reference if you want to look something up about another player's character. If he fancies it, SaintB can probably replace everything below the application code box with the following. Obviously lance names and compositions can be adjusted as need be as the story progresses.

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[b]Mechwarriors[/b]
[box][size=85](First names under each heading are leaders of that lance)[/size]

[b]Headquarters[/b]
[list][url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8909321#p8909321]Gun Bear[/url] - David Wild ([nation]SaintB[/nation])[/list]
[b]Recon Lance[/b]
[list][url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=9196842#p9196842]Priest[/url] - Walther Alschittle ([nation]Occupied Deutschland[/nation])
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8907298#p8907298]Andromeda[/url] - Julius Warren ([nation]Strykla[/nation])[/list]
[b]Battle Lance[/b]
[list][url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8908809#p8908809]Dragon[/url] - Katherine Fuego ([nation]Junii[/nation])
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=9011277#p9011277]Ronin[/url] - Artemis Storm ([nation]Northern Dominus[/nation])
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=10385116#p10385116]Prime[/url] - John Perry ([nation]Camicon[/nation])[/list]
[b]Support Lance[/b]
[list][url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=10375678#p10375678]Bitch[/url] - Jasmine Mandela ([nation]Ularn[/nation])
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8916510#p8916510]TimberWolf[/url] - James Callahan ([nation]Hardened Pyrokinetics[/nation])[/list]
[b]Unassigned[/b]
[list][url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=12074036#p12074036]Warhound[/url] - William McGinus ([nation]Oblivion2[/nation])[/list][/box]
[b]Other/Support Personnel[/b]
[box][list][url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8908809#p8908809]Grease Monkey[/url] - Sebastion Steele ([nation]Junii[/nation]) - Technician
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8920144#p8920144]Talon[/url] - William Fletcher ([nation]Hardened Pyrokinetics[/nation]) - Dropship Commander
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=173225&p=8930036#p8930036]Duke[/url] - Rau von der Teufel ([nation]Strykla[/nation]) - Battle Armor Commander
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=10363597#p10363597]Cinder[/url] - Chris Ruhr ([nation]Ularn[/nation]) - Aerospace Pilot[/list][/box]

Mechwarriors

(First names under each heading are leaders of that lance)

Headquarters

Gun Bear - David Wild (SaintB)

Recon Lance

Priest - Walther Alschittle (Occupied Deutschland)
Andromeda - Julius Warren (Strykla)

Battle Lance

Dragon - Katherine Fuego (Junii)
Ronin - Artemis Storm (Northern Dominus)
Prime - John Perry (Camicon)

Support Lance

Bitch - Jasmine Mandela (Ularn)
TimberWolf - James Callahan (Hardened Pyrokinetics)

Unassigned

Warhound - William McGinus (Oblivion2)

Other/Support Personnel

Grease Monkey - Sebastion Steele (Junii) - Technician
Talon - William Fletcher (Hardened Pyrokinetics) - Dropship Commander
Duke - Rau von der Teufel (Strykla) - Battle Armor Commander
Cinder - Chris Ruhr (Ularn) - Aerospace Pilot

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

I'm back, got internet hooked up at the new place. Will post tonight or tomorrow.

[Northern Dominus]

I'm back, got internet hooked up at the new place. Will post tonight or tomorrow.

Awethum. Hows the new digs?

[Northern Dominus]

Aidan had skill but no luck. He got smacked down in his trial cause he initiated a general melee by striking someone outside the circle of equals (perfectly legal) then his girlfriend/rival whose name I can't recall blasted him to holy hell.

Then there's the part where he had a kid and didnt know about it and having his jumpship nearly get ripped apart with him on it, and then there was the whole falcon guard incident and then his eventual epic death. Good guy, mad skills, terrible luck.

I thought it was his sibko sister, Marte that took the opportunity to take him down and make a name for herself.

You're partially right however, Aiden did suffer from bad luck in one major way: he was in the wrong Clan. See, Aiden valued confusion and chaos. If we know anything about the Falcons we know that they don't do Chaos. They're rigid as hell and don't like subterfuge, hell they're the ones that inveted the laser heat sink that make mechs glow like they're part of a Deadmau5 show.

Were Aiden a Wolf or Coyote, he would have done a lot better and probably survived Tukkayid, no doubt about it.

Edit: Also working on a post, but since HP indicated that his HPG uplink is up and running again I'll give him a chance to get a word in before anything.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

Aidan had skill but no luck. He got smacked down in his trial cause he initiated a general melee by striking someone outside the circle of equals (perfectly legal) then his girlfriend/rival whose name I can't recall blasted him to holy hell.

Then there's the part where he had a kid and didnt know about it and having his jumpship nearly get ripped apart with him on it, and then there was the whole falcon guard incident and then his eventual epic death. Good guy, mad skills, terrible luck.

I thought it was his sibko sister, Marte that took the opportunity to take him down and make a name for herself.

You're partially right however, Aiden did suffer from bad luck in one major way: he was in the wrong Clan. See, Aiden valued confusion and chaos. If we know anything about the Falcons we know that they don't do Chaos. They're rigid as hell and don't like subterfuge, hell they're the ones that inveted the laser heat sink that make mechs glow like they're part of a Deadmau5 show.

Were Aiden a Wolf or Coyote, he would have done a lot better and probably survived Tukkayid, no doubt about it.

Were Aiden a Wolf the galaxy wouldn't have been subjected to the Refusal War and the tyrant Vlad of the Wards. He probably would have been smart enough to realize the Clans were doing more harm to the Inner Sphere than good, completely against the beliefs of Kerensky, and instead worked to bring about peace.

Which means he'd have gone the same way as Ulric, unfortunately.

[Northern Dominus]

I thought it was his sibko sister, Marte that took the opportunity to take him down and make a name for herself.

You're partially right however, Aiden did suffer from bad luck in one major way: he was in the wrong Clan. See, Aiden valued confusion and chaos. If we know anything about the Falcons we know that they don't do Chaos. They're rigid as hell and don't like subterfuge, hell they're the ones that inveted the laser heat sink that make mechs glow like they're part of a Deadmau5 show.

Were Aiden a Wolf or Coyote, he would have done a lot better and probably survived Tukkayid, no doubt about it.

Were Aiden a Wolf the galaxy wouldn't have been subjected to the Refusal War and the tyrant Vlad of the Wards. He probably would have been smart enough to realize the Clans were doing more harm to the Inner Sphere than good, completely against the beliefs of Kerensky, and instead worked to bring about peace.

Which means he'd have gone the same way as Ulric, unfortunately.

So he still would have been killed, Vlad still would have risen, and the Wars of Reaving would still have taken their toll.

But, what if Aiden were a Coyote? What could he have done with the technical prowess and alliance with Wolf were he in that position?

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

Were Aiden a Wolf the galaxy wouldn't have been subjected to the Refusal War and the tyrant Vlad of the Wards. He probably would have been smart enough to realize the Clans were doing more harm to the Inner Sphere than good, completely against the beliefs of Kerensky, and instead worked to bring about peace.

Which means he'd have gone the same way as Ulric, unfortunately.

So he still would have been killed, Vlad still would have risen, and the Wars of Reaving would still have taken their toll.

But, what if Aiden were a Coyote? What could he have done with the technical prowess and alliance with Wolf were he in that position?

Actually, in that situation, Ulric could have risen in place of Vlad. Or, alternatively, Phelan and his Wolves would not have gone into Exile, allowing him to take the position. Even if Aiden died through the treachery of Chistu, under the leadership of him, Ulric, and Phelan Wolf would not have been Absorbed.

[Northern Dominus]

So he still would have been killed, Vlad still would have risen, and the Wars of Reaving would still have taken their toll.

But, what if Aiden were a Coyote? What could he have done with the technical prowess and alliance with Wolf were he in that position?

Actually, in that situation, Ulric could have risen in place of Vlad. Or, alternatively, Phelan and his Wolves would not have gone into Exile, allowing him to take the position. Even if Aiden died through the treachery of Chistu, under the leadership of him, Ulric, and Phelan Wolf would not have been Absorbed.

I'm not so sure. The whole Warden/Crusader thing was dicey to begin with, and after the Refusal War and the invasion's resulting Clan presence in IS space, things were primed for Vlad to take the reigns in some form or another.

[Ularn]

'Fucks sake! Does the woman have any patience whatsoever?!'

No. No she does not

[Northern Dominus]

'Fucks sake! Does the woman have any patience whatsoever?!'

No. No she does not

Apparently not. One wonders why she's a support specialist and not in a Brawler

Although Jazz in a Axman or Dragon... yeah that's not scary at all

[Ularn]

I wonder if Jaz can get anyone else to start calling James 'Tinkerbell'

No. No she does not

Apparently not. One wonders why she's a support specialist and not in a Brawler

Although Jazz in a Axman or Dragon... yeah that's not scary at all

Needs moar missiles!

Also I saw this and just though "Haterz gonna hate!"