A Hogwarts Tale [ OOC | Open ]

[Izzyshipper]

Flowers to butterflies? Isn't that a bit complex for first years? IIRC, they started out turning matches into needles.

I was originally going to use turning pennies into buttons, but thought it rather ... Boring.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Flowers to butterflies? Isn't that a bit complex for first years? IIRC, they started out turning matches into needles.

I had oriinally going to use turning pennies into buttons, but thought it rather ... Boring.

Don't you mean Knuts?

[Izzyshipper]

I had oriinally going to use turning pennies into buttons, but thought it rather ... Boring.

Don't you mean Knuts?

Better with worthless muggle money :-P

[Eastfield Lodge]

Don't you mean Knuts?

Better with worthless muggle money :-P

Fair enough.

[Izzyshipper]

Ferkas, I'm curious, what do you mean things can't be conjured from thin air?

[Ferkas]

Ferkas, I'm curious, what do you mean things can't be conjured from thin air?

Well, a slight overstatement. Some things can't be created by magic. They can be altered, summoned, multiplied, etc., but not created. Gamp's Laws of Elemental Transfiguration are mentioned in the books as providing the five "items" which can't be created from nothing, but only one example (food), is given.

There is speculation over what the other four items are, although we can probably agree that it would, at the least, have to include money, or else the entire Wizarding economy would collapse with rampant self production of money. We already know that Dark Magic often leaves marks, or scars, which can't be healed with magic, so that is probably another exemption. Clothes and housing would seem to be two other strong possibilities, otherwise why would the Weasleys live in a more ramshackle building and wear second hand clothes when they could just conjure up something new?

Of course the statement that nothing can be created from thin air would have been an overstatement on the part of Patrick, with him either misunderstanding, or misinterpretting, what he had heard before. (Really my brain was just fried a little from a long day and work and a long run, so I overstepped the bounds of magical law a little bit. That is actually a terrible shame for a HP nerd like myself...)

Also, this post was probably way longer than it had to be...

[Izzyshipper]

Ferkas, I'm curious, what do you mean things can't be conjured from thin air?

Well, a slight overstatement. Some things can't be created by magic. They can be altered, summoned, multiplied, etc., but not created. Gamp's Laws of Elemental Transfiguration are mentioned in the books as providing the five "items" which can't be created from nothing, but only one example (food), is given.

There is speculation over what the other four items are, although we can probably agree that it would, at the least, have to include money, or else the entire Wizarding economy would collapse with rampant self production of money. We already know that Dark Magic often leaves marks, or scars, which can't be healed with magic, so that is probably another exemption. Clothes and housing would seem to be two other strong possibilities, otherwise why would the Weasleys live in a more ramshackle building and wear second hand clothes when they could just conjure up something new?

Of course the statement that nothing can be created from thin air would have been an overstatement on the part of Patrick, with him either misunderstanding, or misinterpretting, what he had heard before. (Really my brain was just fried a little from a long day and work and a long run, so I overstepped the bounds of magical law a little bit. That is actually a terrible shame for a HP nerd like myself...)

Also, this post was probably way longer than it had to be...

I enjoyed the post. In my personal-Canon its Wealth, Food, Life, Love and ... Something.

[Ferkas]

Well, a slight overstatement. Some things can't be created by magic. They can be altered, summoned, multiplied, etc., but not created. Gamp's Laws of Elemental Transfiguration are mentioned in the books as providing the five "items" which can't be created from nothing, but only one example (food), is given.

There is speculation over what the other four items are, although we can probably agree that it would, at the least, have to include money, or else the entire Wizarding economy would collapse with rampant self production of money. We already know that Dark Magic often leaves marks, or scars, which can't be healed with magic, so that is probably another exemption. Clothes and housing would seem to be two other strong possibilities, otherwise why would the Weasleys live in a more ramshackle building and wear second hand clothes when they could just conjure up something new?

Of course the statement that nothing can be created from thin air would have been an overstatement on the part of Patrick, with him either misunderstanding, or misinterpretting, what he had heard before. (Really my brain was just fried a little from a long day and work and a long run, so I overstepped the bounds of magical law a little bit. That is actually a terrible shame for a HP nerd like myself...)

Also, this post was probably way longer than it had to be...

I enjoyed the post. In my personal-Canon its Wealth, Food, Life, Love and ... Something.

Love is a tricky one. I would agree that real, true, love can't be created. But love potions can create, at least temporarily, strong feelings of longing and attachment which the body, when under their influences, sees as love.

[Izzyshipper]

While Infatuation can be manufactured it has always been stressed that Love is a ancient, unreplicable magic of its own. To be honest, I think Gamp's laws have exceptions, such as the Philosopher's stone creating gold would violate a wealth law, as well as turning inaminate objects into live ones seem to create life. Although I will be attempting to explain that in another lesson :-P

[Ferkas]

Sounds good.

And of course the canon only mentions one of Gamp's (5?) Laws, which is food. The rest is just speculation, so for a RP like this we probably have a fair bit of leeway.

[Libaries]

You are boring me out. I usually LIKE debating HP, but now, eh. It's almost Christmas break for me at my school, so I'm trying to ENJOY my last couple of hours on the computer before I go to South Carolina.

[Izzyshipper]

You are boring me out. I usually LIKE debating HP, but now, eh. It's almost Christmas break for me at my school, so I'm trying to ENJOY my last couple of hours on the computer before I go to South Carolina.

My apologies, I should know better than to talk Harry Potter in a Harry Potter thread. I shall strive to remember that.

[Libaries]

No seriously, it's fine. But if you will check the Hunger Games thread OCC, you will see that I'm getting insulted for my KENTUCKY HERITAGE!!!!!!

[Izzyshipper]

No seriously, it's fine. But if you will check the Hunger Games thread OCC, you will see that I'm getting insulted for my KENTUCKY HERITAGE!!!!!!

But thats where the most delicious chicken was born

[Libaries]

True, but they are taking it ALL WRONG! WE AREN'T COWGIRLS AND COWBOYS! WE ARE ACTUALLY VERY CIVILIZED!!!! COWGIRLS AND COWBOYS ARE FROM TEXAS!!!! AND NOT EVERYONE HAS HORSES!! idiots...

[Malshan]

True, but they are taking it ALL WRONG! WE AREN'T COWGIRLS AND COWBOYS! WE ARE ACTUALLY VERY CIVILIZED!!!! COWGIRLS AND COWBOYS ARE FROM TEXAS!!!! AND NOT EVERYONE HAS HORSES!! idiots...

We aren't? /joke
All the people I know (and I know a substantial number) are complete hicks. So......right.....but in the wrong sense. /seriousness

ARE YOU SAYING THAT COWBOYS AND GIRLS AREN'T CIVILIZED???? THEY ARE TOO! (some of them) /mock-offense

[Corrian]

I think it's annoying anytime anyone insults someone for where they were born or where they live, just because the state has a bad name. I mean it wouldn't be my fault if I was born in Arkansas or Texas or something....So stop acting as if I'm terrible because I am from that state. I hate freaking stereotyping whole entire states.

I don't personally care for Kentucky, Arkansas, or Texas, but I'm not going to complain about people who live in any of those places just because they were born there/live there.

(Here I go ranting again)

[Malshan]

I think it's annoying anytime anyone insults someone for where they were born or where they live, just because the state has a bad name. I mean it wouldn't be my fault if I was born in Arkansas or Texas or something....So stop acting as if I'm terrible because I am from that state. I hate freaking stereotyping whole entire states.

I don't personally care for Kentucky, Arkansas, or Texas, but I'm not going to complain about people who live in any of those places just because they were born there/live there.

(Here I go ranting again)

Good to find someone who isn't an.....errr....'statist'.

[Corrian]

I think it's annoying anytime anyone insults someone for where they were born or where they live, just because the state has a bad name. I mean it wouldn't be my fault if I was born in Arkansas or Texas or something....So stop acting as if I'm terrible because I am from that state. I hate freaking stereotyping whole entire states.

I don't personally care for Kentucky, Arkansas, or Texas, but I'm not going to complain about people who live in any of those places just because they were born there/live there.

(Here I go ranting again)

Good to find someone who isn't an.....errr....'statist'.

Besides, I don't know much about any of those states, so it would be stupid if I completely complain about them. But when there's like, say, the riots in Vancouver because the Canadian hockey team lost, and all these people go "Canada sucks. Stupid Canadians" as if the whole population was being stupid pisses me off. It was just a certain portion of the population, and a TON of people came and cleaned up after the riots. To me people who catagorize a whole state/nation/country/continent as stupid people are the stupid people themselfs.

(Rant some more)

Heh, statist....

I've lived in California, Nevada, Washington, and Maine in my life time (Yes, all west coast/mountain area, then as far on the east coast as you can go).

[Malshan]

Good to find someone who isn't an.....errr....'statist'.

Besides, I don't know much about any of those states, so it would be stupid if I completely complain about them. But when there's like, say, the riots in Vancouver because the Canadian hockey team lost, and all these people go "Canada sucks. Stupid Canadians" as if the whole population was being stupid pisses me off. It was just a certain portion of the population, and a TON of people came and cleaned up after the riots. To me people who catagorize a whole state/nation/country/continent as stupid people are the stupid people themselfs.

(Rant some more)

Heh, statist....

I've lived in California, Nevada, Washington, and Maine in my life time (Yes, all west coast/mountain area, then as far on the east coast as you can go).

Geez...you sound like my old calc teacher...

[Libaries]

I'm sorry. It's just my Dad traveled around a lot campaigning... I sort of got used to those 'hicks'. So I think of everyone being equal. And then some idiots had to go trash my home.... And yes, some are civilized. Those idiots just didn't think.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Yeah noticed Ferkas's name just now, what a coincidence...but at the same time I really want to hear Nightkill, because really what we're suppose to learn about History of Magic here?

Just saw this.

Well, it was going to be a first-hand demonstration of the Terror, than RL happened.

[Corrian]

Besides, I don't know much about any of those states, so it would be stupid if I completely complain about them. But when there's like, say, the riots in Vancouver because the Canadian hockey team lost, and all these people go "Canada sucks. Stupid Canadians" as if the whole population was being stupid pisses me off. It was just a certain portion of the population, and a TON of people came and cleaned up after the riots. To me people who catagorize a whole state/nation/country/continent as stupid people are the stupid people themselfs.

(Rant some more)

Heh, statist....

I've lived in California, Nevada, Washington, and Maine in my life time (Yes, all west coast/mountain area, then as far on the east coast as you can go).

Geez...you sound like my old calc teacher...

I bet that's not a good thing. I don't really care that much either if it's not a good thing.

I'm sorry. It's just my Dad traveled around a lot campaigning... I sort of got used to those 'hicks'. So I think of everyone being equal. And then some idiots had to go trash my home.... And yes, some are civilized. Those idiots just didn't think.

Same here (on thinking everyone as being equal). I mean I may not agree with their lifestyle, like the redneck lifestyle or the hick lifestyle, but I'm not going to complain about them unless they make a reason for me to complain about them. I live in redneck area (You hear shooting going off a lot here. And I'm not saying all rednecks shoot off guns).

People trashed your home? Damn...

[The New Texas Lands]

I'm back sort of.

[Libaries]

You have exactly no idea how hard it is to do this on an iPhone... <_<