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Reverend Norv wrote:On a lighter note, I've now fixed this to be Prague instead of Dresden.

Conwy-Shire wrote:

Reverend Norv wrote:On a lighter note, I've now fixed this to be Prague instead of Dresden.

Excellent, thanks.

EDIT. and regarding the polish partisan as an operative: I was aware they were an operative, but the OKW keeps a tight border with whatever states lie east of it (until someone stakes out a country there the OKW considers it a lawless wasteland), so there would be virtually no Poles in the historically Prussian territories that the nazis purged, not least as far West as Saxony.

Nea Byzantia wrote:So, should I keep around Athanasiou, or kill him in my next post?

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:I'm thinking of making some sort of thing where Josef Mengle is among the Karoliner, since his former unit was the SS Division Wiking and he may have been able to escape with them

The only problem is that I mainly want to kill him or something or stand him for trial (Cause Angel of Death), but I can't because the only war crimes he's done were committed in Auschwitz, and not really anybody knows about the Concentration Camps now

Reverend Norv wrote:

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Not much, just pointing it out

There may be a time to prove that
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In the future, but for now, we'll see how it goes

In answer to the question that you deleted: my mother's family is Jewish, which makes me a Jew by Talmudic law, though I personally do not practice. I consider myself Jewish by ethnicity, history, and tradition rather than by religion, and I attend an Episcopal church. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about Jewish history.

As to being offended: I have a thick skin. But speaking as a trained historian, I think it's important in stories like this to be honest about the fact that the myth of the clean Wehrmacht is just that: a myth. Sure, not all German soldiers were Nazis. And yes, some German officers even tried to kill Hitler. But in the end, they did that because they believed that Hitler was hurting Germans, and Germany. When the only people suffering were Jews, Poles, Roma, homosexuals, and other "undesirables," there was no movement in the German military to overthrow the Fuhrer.

More damning still, the Holocaust was not kept secret from the Wehrmacht or its Axis allies. During Operation Barbarossa, einsatzgruppen and sonderkommando units moved up directly behind the main combat force, corralling and massacring civilians as they went. This happened in clear view of ordinary German troops, and yet there was not a single major case in which Wehrmacht personnel refused orders or attempted to intervene. They knew, and let it happen.

This is why, both as a Jew and as a student of history, I believe it's really important to insist on the culpability of everyone who served the Axis powers. That doesn't mean that every German soldier was evil to the core. People cannot be reduced to the worst mistake they've ever made, and redemption is possible for almost everyone. But it does mean that everyone who served the Axis powers was an accomplice - willing or unwilling, witting or unwitting - to the greatest crime in human history. If we obfuscate that fact, even in a work of fiction like this one, then we become nothing but the most recent accomplices to Hitler's crimes - because we are allowing the culpability of those who committed them to be concealed and forgotten.

Reverend Norv wrote:

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:I'm thinking of making some sort of thing where Josef Mengle is among the Karoliner, since his former unit was the SS Division Wiking and he may have been able to escape with them

The only problem is that I mainly want to kill him or something or stand him for trial (Cause Angel of Death), but I can't because the only war crimes he's done were committed in Auschwitz, and not really anybody knows about the Concentration Camps now

I mean, Israel does. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of the camps made it there after the Slavic uprising in '45, which I assume liberated most of the Eastern European camps. The idea that the camps are still a secret even after Poland slipped out of German control seems implausible, I think.

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:

Reverend Norv wrote:
I mean, Israel does. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of the camps made it there after the Slavic uprising in '45, which I assume liberated most of the Eastern European camps. The idea that the camps are still a secret even after Poland slipped out of German control seems implausible, I think.

Wanna make an inquiry for him or something? We could hand him over in return for good faith

Reverend Norv wrote:

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Wanna make an inquiry for him or something? We could hand him over in return for good faith

At the very least, it's an interesting idea. Israel's preferred option would simply be to assassinate him, which doesn't require negotiations. But if he were already arrested by the Scandinavian authorities, then Israel might request his extradition, and be willing to make some compromises in return - though given the suspicion toward any former allies of the Nazis, that would be only the first step on a very long road toward normalizing relations.

Joohan wrote:So - keep this in mind.

The next page probably is only going to be a one month jump into the future for two reasons:

The Argentine invasion of Tierra del Fuego

And Serbia's Operation Midwife

Conwy-Shire wrote:

Joohan wrote:So - keep this in mind.

The next page probably is only going to be a one month jump into the future for two reasons:

The Argentine invasion of Tierra del Fuego

And Serbia's Operation Midwife

What is the average flow of time between IC pages? normally, that is

Reverend Norv wrote:

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:I'm thinking of making some sort of thing where Josef Mengle is among the Karoliner, since his former unit was the SS Division Wiking and he may have been able to escape with them

The only problem is that I mainly want to kill him or something or stand him for trial (Cause Angel of Death), but I can't because the only war crimes he's done were committed in Auschwitz, and not really anybody knows about the Concentration Camps now

I mean, Israel does. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of the camps made it there after the Slavic uprising in '45, which I assume liberated most of the Eastern European camps. The idea that the camps are still a secret even after Poland slipped out of German control seems implausible, I think.

Joohan wrote:

Reverend Norv wrote:
I mean, Israel does. Hundreds of thousands of survivors of the camps made it there after the Slavic uprising in '45, which I assume liberated most of the Eastern European camps. The idea that the camps are still a secret even after Poland slipped out of German control seems implausible, I think.

The camps are, known, but not exactly acknowledged by everyone. There were plenty of people who escaped from the camps in eastern Europe, as well as numerous partisan groups who reported their existence. A lot of skepticism exists about their true nature, however, due to: partisan groups being unreliable and clearly biased sources, as well as a general disbelief that such a thing would have been possible.

The most skeptical nations are, obviously, former Axis states.

Joohan wrote:So - keep this in mind.

The next page probably is only going to be a one month jump into the future for two reasons:

The Argentine invasion of Tierra del Fuego

And Serbia's Operation Midwife

Nea Byzantia wrote:Added some revolutionary flair to my post. Enjoy.

Reverend Norv wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:Added some revolutionary flair to my post. Enjoy.

What about the meeting with Moshe Dayan?

Greater Liverpool wrote:Will get a post up tomorrow. Also does the Serbia want great relations with Republican Italy or do you still see them as a fascist nation