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Dentali
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Postby Dentali » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:07 pm

Velahor wrote:
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A little irritated that Harrison would threaten her like that, Smith forced herself to speak calmly and evenly. "Again, I'd encourage working with him. He will probably give the incest thing up if you negotiate with him, he's saner in person than the media likes to portray him. I will see to it that there are no more public appearances with him, and that I properly distance myself from public association with him."


"You think we haven't negotiated with him?" Harrison chuckled, "regardless im happy to hear that. It's gonna be a huge help."

He hands her a binder

"Our major targets for your region the next two years"

Wisconsin Senator 2018
Michigan Senator 2018
Minnesota Senator 2018
Wisconsin 3rd 2018
Illinois 13th 2018
Illinois 6th 2018


A dozens mayor positions and state legislatures were also on the list
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:54 am

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:
A little irritated that Harrison would threaten her like that, Smith forced herself to speak calmly and evenly. "Again, I'd encourage working with him. He will probably give the incest thing up if you negotiate with him, he's saner in person than the media likes to portray him. I will see to it that there are no more public appearances with him, and that I properly distance myself from public association with him."


"You think we haven't negotiated with him?" Harrison chuckled, "regardless im happy to hear that. It's gonna be a huge help."

He hands her a binder

"Our major targets for your region the next two years"

Wisconsin Senator 2018
Michigan Senator 2018
Minnesota Senator 2018
Wisconsin 3rd 2018
Illinois 13th 2018
Illinois 6th 2018


A dozens mayor positions and state legislatures were also on the list

"Hmmm...any people in mind for these jobs? I can help recruit some potential people for the 13th and the 6th."
”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:18 am

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:
"You think we haven't negotiated with him?" Harrison chuckled, "regardless im happy to hear that. It's gonna be a huge help."

He hands her a binder

"Our major targets for your region the next two years"

Wisconsin Senator 2018
Michigan Senator 2018
Minnesota Senator 2018
Wisconsin 3rd 2018
Illinois 13th 2018
Illinois 6th 2018


A dozens mayor positions and state legislatures were also on the list

"Hmmm...any people in mind for these jobs? I can help recruit some potential people for the 13th and the 6th."



"I wish our list was longer, even the ones we do have on the list aren't firm enough for me to share yet. I'll level with you, the Midwest; Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania... The plan is to just stop the bleeding there, Illinois is safe, we can probably do that in Michigan but Wisconsin is most likely gone. Pennsylvania is the big fight in the region and having a bleeding heart for governor is not helping with our appeal to middle America, but we cannot afford to lose Pennsylvania. Our main offensive will be in the Southeast and Souhwest."
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:28 am

Edgar Brankers showed up to the designated meeting location waiting politely to be let in.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
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Postby Tumblrena » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:07 pm

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Poor lonely bigot @GovMS trying to ban the burqa with an executive order from his tiny shriveled hands.



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@Five-Oh

He'd know he can't do it if he read the Constitution but he doesn't because he probably can't read. Very unintelligent. Freedom of religion wins!




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@GovMS can't ban the burqa by executive order and I'm going to prove it!


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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:23 pm

Michael Harrison Acting DNC Chair

"Senator Brankers its a pleasure" Harrison says inviting the Senator from Washington to sit across from him. Two glasses f water were on the empty wooden table. Harrison's office was the only room in the building that was neat and not covered in boxes.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:19 pm

Dentali wrote:Michael Harrison Acting DNC Chair

"Senator Brankers its a pleasure" Harrison says inviting the Senator from Washington to sit across from him. Two glasses f water were on the empty wooden table. Harrison's office was the only room in the building that was neat and not covered in boxes.

'"Likewise, now I presume that you have a lot more to discuss than mere formalities. Shall we begin?"

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:30 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:"Hmmm...any people in mind for these jobs? I can help recruit some potential people for the 13th and the 6th."



"I wish our list was longer, even the ones we do have on the list aren't firm enough for me to share yet. I'll level with you, the Midwest; Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania... The plan is to just stop the bleeding there, Illinois is safe, we can probably do that in Michigan but Wisconsin is most likely gone. Pennsylvania is the big fight in the region and having a bleeding heart for governor is not helping with our appeal to middle America, but we cannot afford to lose Pennsylvania. Our main offensive will be in the Southeast and Souhwest."


“How can I help with those two?” said Nicole, genuinely curious.
”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:44 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:

"I wish our list was longer, even the ones we do have on the list aren't firm enough for me to share yet. I'll level with you, the Midwest; Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania... The plan is to just stop the bleeding there, Illinois is safe, we can probably do that in Michigan but Wisconsin is most likely gone. Pennsylvania is the big fight in the region and having a bleeding heart for governor is not helping with our appeal to middle America, but we cannot afford to lose Pennsylvania. Our main offensive will be in the Southeast and Souhwest."


“How can I help with those two?” said Nicole, genuinely curious.



"We will be running blue dogs in the South, you need to be nice to them. We can't have the party at war with itself, we can't have you throwing our people under the bus. You don't have to like them, you dont have to endorse them but I don't want you to attack them, or say they arent real democrats"
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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:49 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Dentali wrote:Michael Harrison Acting DNC Chair

"Senator Brankers its a pleasure" Harrison says inviting the Senator from Washington to sit across from him. Two glasses f water were on the empty wooden table. Harrison's office was the only room in the building that was neat and not covered in boxes.

'"Likewise, now I presume that you have a lot more to discuss than mere formalities. Shall we begin?"



"Certainly, I don't need to tell you want shape our party is in. We need to rebuild, we are going to target governorship and state legislatures before 2020, If the republicans have this much statewide power by the time 2020 comes around thats a massive advantage with Gerrymandering. Our main offensives will be in the South and Southwest; Arizona, New Mexico, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and Virginia. Defensively we are going to target Michigan, and Pennsylvania primarily. Frankly I wish you were from the South, you'd be an ideal candidate to run in NC or Virginia."
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:04 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:
“How can I help with those two?” said Nicole, genuinely curious.



"We will be running blue dogs in the South, you need to be nice to them. We can't have the party at war with itself, we can't have you throwing our people under the bus. You don't have to like them, you dont have to endorse them but I don't want you to attack them, or say they arent real democrats"

“I get the idea of running blue dogs to win those states back...but I really hope that isn’t the long term direction of our party. I’ll keep off of them too much in public, but I will still privately urge my fellow representatives to lean liberal. What are we going to do about the Progressive Party? If we ever want the west Coast back we will have to do something about them.”
”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:10 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:

"We will be running blue dogs in the South, you need to be nice to them. We can't have the party at war with itself, we can't have you throwing our people under the bus. You don't have to like them, you dont have to endorse them but I don't want you to attack them, or say they arent real democrats"

“I get the idea of running blue dogs to win those states back...but I really hope that isn’t the long term direction of our party. I’ll keep off of them too much in public, but I will still privately urge my fellow representatives to lean liberal. What are we going to do about the Progressive Party? If we ever want the west Coast back we will have to do something about them.”


"The future of our party will not be one size fits all democrats with such strict adherence to a very specific set of beliefs with no room for disagreement. That will be the death of our party, we need to be flexible. As for the progs, I'll be meeting with them next, we are going to cut a deal for now and then work to bring them back into the fold."
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:20 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:“I get the idea of running blue dogs to win those states back...but I really hope that isn’t the long term direction of our party. I’ll keep off of them too much in public, but I will still privately urge my fellow representatives to lean liberal. What are we going to do about the Progressive Party? If we ever want the west Coast back we will have to do something about them.”


"The future of our party will not be one size fits all democrats with such strict adherence to a very specific set of beliefs with no room for disagreement. That will be the death of our party, we need to be flexible. As for the progs, I'll be meeting with them next, we are going to cut a deal for now and then work to bring them back into the fold."

“I understand the need for room to disagree...but allowing conservative-leaning politicians who are only Democrats in name will only prevent us from ever bringing Progressive voters back into our ranks. There has to be limits, things that we don’t budge on.” says Smith, with her arms crossed and adopting a look of seriousness.
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”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:02 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:
"The future of our party will not be one size fits all democrats with such strict adherence to a very specific set of beliefs with no room for disagreement. That will be the death of our party, we need to be flexible. As for the progs, I'll be meeting with them next, we are going to cut a deal for now and then work to bring them back into the fold."

“I understand the need for room to disagree...but allowing conservative-leaning politicians who are only Democrats in name will only prevent us from ever bringing Progressive voters back into our ranks. There has to be limits, things that we don’t budge on.” says Smith, with her arms crossed and adopting a look of seriousness.


"You have been a democratic rep for all of 5 minutes, you do not have the right to call people DINOs. Being a democrat means a heck of a lot more than being pro choice, or pro gun control. And bringing back the progs? The disease that has been festering in the democratic party has been going on a lot longer than that."
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:08 pm

Dentali wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:'"Likewise, now I presume that you have a lot more to discuss than mere formalities. Shall we begin?"



"Certainly, I don't need to tell you want shape our party is in. We need to rebuild, we are going to target governorship and state legislatures before 2020, If the republicans have this much statewide power by the time 2020 comes around thats a massive advantage with Gerrymandering. Our main offensives will be in the South and Southwest; Arizona, New Mexico, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and Virginia. Defensively we are going to target Michigan, and Pennsylvania primarily. Frankly I wish you were from the South, you'd be an ideal candidate to run in NC or Virginia."


"I hope that you did not assume that I will vote on blind partisan allegiances alone. I will only support candidates that I feel reflect my own beliefs."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:21 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Dentali wrote:

"Certainly, I don't need to tell you want shape our party is in. We need to rebuild, we are going to target governorship and state legislatures before 2020, If the republicans have this much statewide power by the time 2020 comes around thats a massive advantage with Gerrymandering. Our main offensives will be in the South and Southwest; Arizona, New Mexico, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and Virginia. Defensively we are going to target Michigan, and Pennsylvania primarily. Frankly I wish you were from the South, you'd be an ideal candidate to run in NC or Virginia."


"I hope that you did not assume that I will vote on blind partisan allegiances alone. I will only support candidates that I feel reflect my own beliefs."



"I wouldn't ask you to do otherwise, just dont attack anyone. And i'd like you to join the DNC as an advisor, part time of course it wouldn't take away from your job as Senator but I want your help with the West Coast specifically the Northwest and whatever other areas you'd like to advise on. Particularly areas you are more moderate on than many of our fellow democrats. We need to balance them."
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:26 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:“I understand the need for room to disagree...but allowing conservative-leaning politicians who are only Democrats in name will only prevent us from ever bringing Progressive voters back into our ranks. There has to be limits, things that we don’t budge on.” says Smith, with her arms crossed and adopting a look of seriousness.


"You have been a democratic rep for all of 5 minutes, you do not have the right to call people DINOs. Being a democrat means a heck of a lot more than being pro choice, or pro gun control. And bringing back the progs? The disease that has been festering in the democratic party has been going on a lot longer than that."

"I've been here for long enough to know that principles are important, and offering a choice to voters is important as well. I understand the idea of getting blue dogs into office to get the party back in power, but here's the truth. Now, I don't know if you know this, but my background is in political marketing. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I just want you to know the meaning of what you're trying to do here.
Say you run a corner store, and you sell Coke and Pepsi. One day, you get a bad bunch of Coke. Say it sat out in the sun too long or something. People drink it, and they don't like it, so they start buying Pepsi.
So here are your options. A: you fill all the Coke bottles with Pepsi, and tell everybody that your new Coke tastes just like Coke, and give people the illusion of choice, all while they now they're just drinking Pepsi in a different wrapper. Or B: you toss out all the bad Coke, go buy a new batch, and make sure to tell everyone "sorry about the bad Coke, here's some good stuff instead." Heck, you can even put the new batch of Coke on sale to make sure people try it.
But why on earth would you choose option A? American voters aren't stupid. Uninformed, yes, but not stupid. They see a Republican running against a Democrat who is really a Republican in a blue wrapper, and you know who they choose? Not the person who they know isn't quite what they say they are. They would just choose the Republican. If they're the same or nearly the same, then why not choose the one that's honest about what it is.
So when you dig into it, you either have to not market "DINOs" as Democrats, or you have to change what the Democratic brand means to the American people. One of those is a lot harder than the other."
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”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:35 pm

Dentali wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
"I hope that you did not assume that I will vote on blind partisan allegiances alone. I will only support candidates that I feel reflect my own beliefs."



"I wouldn't ask you to do otherwise, just dont attack anyone. And i'd like you to join the DNC as an advisor, part time of course it wouldn't take away from your job as Senator but I want your help with the West Coast specifically the Northwest and whatever other areas you'd like to advise on. Particularly areas you are more moderate on than many of our fellow democrats. We need to balance them."

'I am afraid that I would not be much help in the Northwest and West Coast, apart from Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington. I think I would be much more use in the Mid-Western, and Southern states that reflect my home of Eastern Washington more closely."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:37 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:

"I've been here for long enough to know that principles are important, and offering a choice to voters is important as well. I understand the idea of getting blue dogs into office to get the party back in power, but here's the truth. Now, I don't know if you know this, but my background is in political marketing. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I just want you to know the meaning of what you're trying to do here.
Say you run a corner store, and you sell Coke and Pepsi. One day, you get a bad bunch of Coke. Say it sat out in the sun too long or something. People drink it, and they don't like it, so they start buying Pepsi.
So here are your options. A: you fill all the Coke bottles with Pepsi, and tell everybody that your new Coke tastes just like Coke, and give people the illusion of choice, all while they now they're just drinking Pepsi in a different wrapper. Or B: you toss out all the bad Coke, go buy a new batch, and make sure to tell everyone "sorry about the bad Coke, here's some good stuff instead." Heck, you can even put the new batch of Coke on sale to make sure people try it.
But why on earth would you choose option A? American voters aren't stupid. Uninformed, yes, but not stupid. They see a Republican running against a Democrat who is really a Republican in a blue wrapper, and you know who they choose? Not the person who they know isn't quite what they say they are. They would just choose the Republican. If they're the same or nearly the same, then why not choose the one that's honest about what it is.
So when you dig into it, you either have to not market "DINOs" as Democrats, or you have to change what the Democratic brand means to the American people. One of those is a lot harder than the other."



"There you go... one size fits all. You think Georgia would elect you? Someone who is anti gun? anti life? People aren't coke and pepsi, they are people with complex opinions, most people are independents because no party totally conforms to their beliefs and principles. If someone agrees with the vast majority of the democrat platform and they want to be a democrat then they are a democrat. End of story full stop, we are the party of tolerance and diversity. What does it say that we are so against diversity in thought? In debate and expression? Alienating people who might not be as enthusiastic about issues, thats what the progs are. We are pro choice, we are anti gun, we are pro healthcare but because we don't want it to their degree or want it fast enough, we are apparently the enemy to the progs. Your argument against blue dogs doesn't hold water. Now I didn't call you here to debate policy, I called you here to say I want to help you, and if you want DNC support you can't bash other democrats who don't share all your beliefs."
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:48 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:"I've been here for long enough to know that principles are important, and offering a choice to voters is important as well. I understand the idea of getting blue dogs into office to get the party back in power, but here's the truth. Now, I don't know if you know this, but my background is in political marketing. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I just want you to know the meaning of what you're trying to do here.
Say you run a corner store, and you sell Coke and Pepsi. One day, you get a bad bunch of Coke. Say it sat out in the sun too long or something. People drink it, and they don't like it, so they start buying Pepsi.
So here are your options. A: you fill all the Coke bottles with Pepsi, and tell everybody that your new Coke tastes just like Coke, and give people the illusion of choice, all while they now they're just drinking Pepsi in a different wrapper. Or B: you toss out all the bad Coke, go buy a new batch, and make sure to tell everyone "sorry about the bad Coke, here's some good stuff instead." Heck, you can even put the new batch of Coke on sale to make sure people try it.
But why on earth would you choose option A? American voters aren't stupid. Uninformed, yes, but not stupid. They see a Republican running against a Democrat who is really a Republican in a blue wrapper, and you know who they choose? Not the person who they know isn't quite what they say they are. They would just choose the Republican. If they're the same or nearly the same, then why not choose the one that's honest about what it is.
So when you dig into it, you either have to not market "DINOs" as Democrats, or you have to change what the Democratic brand means to the American people. One of those is a lot harder than the other."



"There you go... one size fits all. You think Georgia would elect you? Someone who is anti gun? anti life? People aren't coke and pepsi, they are people with complex opinions, most people are independents because no party totally conforms to their beliefs and principles. If someone agrees with the vast majority of the democrat platform and they want to be a democrat then they are a democrat. End of story full stop, we are the party of tolerance and diversity. What does it say that we are so against diversity in thought? In debate and expression? Alienating people who might not be as enthusiastic about issues, thats what the progs are. We are pro choice, we are anti gun, we are pro healthcare but because we don't want it to their degree or want it fast enough, we are apparently the enemy to the progs. Your argument against blue dogs doesn't hold water. Now I didn't call you here to debate policy, I called you here to say I want to help you, and if you want DNC support you can't bash other democrats who don't share all your beliefs."

"That's precisely why I couldn't join the progs, they want revolution over incremental change and are unwilling to compromise. But we'd be fooling ourselves to only say that we are the party of tolerance and diversity. Great things, but broad, broad concepts. We have a specific policy platform. Does that mean that everyone has to conform? Absolutely not. But if we are going to differentiate ourselves from the Republicans, then we need to not support pro-gun-free-for-allers, pro-lifers, etc. Variance from the party platform is to be accepted, glaring opposition to our party's goals though will only weaken us. We had Democrats not only supporting abortion bans, but writing the bills themselves just a few month ago. How is that productive for our party? We can't expect full agreeance on everything, but again, giving power to people who actively fight against some of our party's main platform will only lead to more of the infighting that brought us down in the first place."
”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:59 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:

"That's precisely why I couldn't join the progs, they want revolution over incremental change and are unwilling to compromise. But we'd be fooling ourselves to only say that we are the party of tolerance and diversity. Great things, but broad, broad concepts. We have a specific policy platform. Does that mean that everyone has to conform? Absolutely not. But if we are going to differentiate ourselves from the Republicans, then we need to not support pro-gun-free-for-allers, pro-lifers, etc. Variance from the party platform is to be accepted, glaring opposition to our party's goals though will only weaken us. We had Democrats not only supporting abortion bans, but writing the bills themselves just a few month ago. How is that productive for our party? We can't expect full agreeance on everything, but again, giving power to people who actively fight against some of our party's main platform will only lead to more of the infighting that brought us down in the first place."



"That is literally what I just said, and I will remind you the progs left us not the other way around. The abortion bans do not represent our full party, and because of these mavericks we were screwed in the last election. But right now the only person I see fighting the line is the woman I see in front of me."

He puts a small folder on the table

"You have some positions the rest of the party certainly doesn't agree with."
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:08 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:"That's precisely why I couldn't join the progs, they want revolution over incremental change and are unwilling to compromise. But we'd be fooling ourselves to only say that we are the party of tolerance and diversity. Great things, but broad, broad concepts. We have a specific policy platform. Does that mean that everyone has to conform? Absolutely not. But if we are going to differentiate ourselves from the Republicans, then we need to not support pro-gun-free-for-allers, pro-lifers, etc. Variance from the party platform is to be accepted, glaring opposition to our party's goals though will only weaken us. We had Democrats not only supporting abortion bans, but writing the bills themselves just a few month ago. How is that productive for our party? We can't expect full agreeance on everything, but again, giving power to people who actively fight against some of our party's main platform will only lead to more of the infighting that brought us down in the first place."



"That is literally what I just said, and I will remind you the progs left us not the other way around. The abortion bans do not represent our full party, and because of these mavericks we were screwed in the last election. But right now the only person I see fighting the line is the woman I see in front of me."

He puts a small folder on the table

"You have some positions the rest of the party certainly doesn't agree with."

Nicole opens the folder and flips through a few of the papers. All things she had written a long time ago: a research paper called The Feasibility of Scandanavian Socialism in America, a guest piece in her college newspaper called EQUALITY FOR ALL, a transcript of a radio show from ten years ago where she expressed her support for the death penalty, and other random scraps of college assignments, old blog posts, etc.

"Where did you get all of this? You do realize that this is blackmail right?"
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Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:11 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:

"That is literally what I just said, and I will remind you the progs left us not the other way around. The abortion bans do not represent our full party, and because of these mavericks we were screwed in the last election. But right now the only person I see fighting the line is the woman I see in front of me."

He puts a small folder on the table

"You have some positions the rest of the party certainly doesn't agree with."

Nicole opens the folder and flips through a few of the papers. All things she had written a long time ago: a research paper called The Feasibility of Scandanavian Socialism in America, a guest piece in her college newspaper called EQUALITY FOR ALL, a transcript of a radio show from ten years ago where she expressed her support for the death penalty, and other random scraps of college assignments, old blog posts, etc.

"Where did you get all of this? You do realize that this is blackmail right?"



Harrison takes the older back pulls out a lighter and sets a corner on fire. He watches it burn for a moment before throwing it in a trash can "Luckily the new fire alarms haven't been installed yet"

"No one will touch that, no one will see it, those are the only copies. I just needed to let you know that i know where you stand... and I want your help anyway. Same with our soon to be friends down south."
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Postby Velahor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:22 pm

Dentali wrote:
Velahor wrote:Nicole opens the folder and flips through a few of the papers. All things she had written a long time ago: a research paper called The Feasibility of Scandanavian Socialism in America, a guest piece in her college newspaper called EQUALITY FOR ALL, a transcript of a radio show from ten years ago where she expressed her support for the death penalty, and other random scraps of college assignments, old blog posts, etc.

"Where did you get all of this? You do realize that this is blackmail right?"



Harrison takes the older back pulls out a lighter and sets a corner on fire. He watches it burn for a moment before throwing it in a trash can "Luckily the new fire alarms haven't been installed yet"

"No one will touch that, no one will see it, those are the only copies. I just needed to let you know that i know where you stand... and I want your help anyway. Same with our soon to be friends down south."


"You're sick..." said Nicole, looking at the trash can. "The fact that you'd have that...just...wow...and have it with you just for this..."

She's silent for nearly 30 seconds, watching the smoke come from the fire.

"Well...I guess there's nothing really to do now but go along with your plan. You happy?"
”A wasted vote is voting for someone that you don’t believe in”

Libertarian Realist/Neoclassical Liberal/Capitalistic Pragmatist, Civil Rights Advocate, Architecture Geek, Law Student
Diane Paulson - Congresswoman - Maine 2nd District
Michelle Paulson-Miller - White House Deputy Chief of Staff & Former NRA Chief Lobbyist
William S. Rogers III - Senator - Montana
Martha Prendergast - Senator & First Lady - West Virginia
Daniel Gundersen - Mayor of Waukesha, WI/Candidate for United States Senate/Founder of Dairy Dan’s

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Founded: Dec 28, 2016
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Postby Dentali » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:18 pm

Velahor wrote:
Dentali wrote:

Harrison takes the older back pulls out a lighter and sets a corner on fire. He watches it burn for a moment before throwing it in a trash can "Luckily the new fire alarms haven't been installed yet"

"No one will touch that, no one will see it, those are the only copies. I just needed to let you know that i know where you stand... and I want your help anyway. Same with our soon to be friends down south."


"You're sick..." said Nicole, looking at the trash can. "The fact that you'd have that...just...wow...and have it with you just for this..."

She's silent for nearly 30 seconds, watching the smoke come from the fire.

"Well...I guess there's nothing really to do now but go along with your plan. You happy?"



"Nope not since I was a child. But this helps"
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