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Postby Argentarino » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:43 am

Fowler really doesn't understand how Congress works. Like, the point of a compromise is to find something that everyone can agree on and start from there. Acting like a frustrated novice isn't going to do him any favors.
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Postby Vaquas » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:43 am

Argentarino wrote:Fowler really doesn't understand how Congress works. Like, the point of a compromise is to find something that everyone can agree on and start from there. Acting like a frustrated novice isn't going to do him any favors.


He is a frustrated novice...
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Postby Dentali » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:50 am

Argentarino wrote:Fowler really doesn't understand how Congress works. Like, the point of a compromise is to find something that everyone can agree on and start from there. Acting like a frustrated novice isn't going to do him any favors.



Fowler understands how Congress works, he also understands that Conti is using the same exact lines that create a 400 billion dollar annual budget deficit. Conti said 100% what Fowler expected, Fowler just hoped that the Republican Supermajority would force Conti and the democrats into a position where they would actually try and make a substantive deal which actually cut into spending.
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Postby Argentarino » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:58 am

Dentali wrote:
Argentarino wrote:Fowler really doesn't understand how Congress works. Like, the point of a compromise is to find something that everyone can agree on and start from there. Acting like a frustrated novice isn't going to do him any favors.



Fowler understands how Congress works, he also understands that Conti is using the same exact lines that create a 400 billion dollar annual budget deficit. Conti said 100% what Fowler expected, Fowler just hoped that the Republican Supermajority would force Conti and the democrats into a position where they would actually try and make a substantive deal which actually cut into spending.


Another way to cut into a deficit would be the creation of revenue, but obviously Conti wasn't going to suggest that to a Libertarian. But while Fowler wouldn't have entirely alienated Conti, here's how Conti will view that meeting:

1. Good first impression...
2. ...until he began acting hostile
3. Naive Libertarian that doesn't understand the necessity of a a federal budget that is allowed to have a deficit due to the realities of the world, funds needed for necessary programs, etc.

Does he think Fowler could be of help in the future? Maybe. But not so much now.
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Postby Sanabel » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:10 am

I'd like to see a Fowler-Schlang debate
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I've actually changed my introductory plan for this character whenever he's accepted, I think shoving him into a congressional chief of staff position could ease some worries about him being too young.
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Postby Dentali » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:13 am

Argentarino wrote:
Dentali wrote:

Fowler understands how Congress works, he also understands that Conti is using the same exact lines that create a 400 billion dollar annual budget deficit. Conti said 100% what Fowler expected, Fowler just hoped that the Republican Supermajority would force Conti and the democrats into a position where they would actually try and make a substantive deal which actually cut into spending.


Another way to cut into a deficit would be the creation of revenue, but obviously Conti wasn't going to suggest that to a Libertarian. But while Fowler wouldn't have entirely alienated Conti, here's how Conti will view that meeting:

1. Good first impression...
2. ...until he began acting hostile
3. Naive Libertarian that doesn't understand the necessity of a a federal budget that is allowed to have a deficit due to the realities of the world, funds needed for necessary programs, etc.

Does he think Fowler could be of help in the future? Maybe. But not so much now.


He wasn't hostile until Conti started being vague and dismissive, Fowler wanted to get on his case about the election and how Conti refused to admit his party had issues. And the first thing Fowler said was "I don't want a balanced budget amendment". Fowler knows that running a deficit isnt a bad thing out of hand, he just needed Conti to say "we will get spending to more controllable levels and realize just because its a good program doesn't mean it gets a blank check."
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Sanabel wrote:I'd like to see a Fowler-Schlang debate



I'm always game for one
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Tallahassee News Station wrote:
Uttland wrote:I like this guy.


Same, it's a better example of a pretty good app.

My main question would be how he won the election in a landslide?. He is rather young, not a great deal of political experience or acumen, and seems to have spent quite a while away from the city

The relationships with his close friends helped as well as associates, as they could vouch for him in the area of all the work he did for anyone he came across, which started a real grass-roots effort. It was helped greatly by his patriotism due to him openly announcing his denials from the highest service until one accepted him, giving him some fame from the veterans and general patriots due to his conviction to serve his country. He got some of the scholars due to his education, and his work in the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also put up for full viewing to show what all he did for communities. He was basically your grassroots candidate with a political outsider reputation, that showed results. That was my reasoning.

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How does being the chairman of the Brooklyn City Council make him an ultra-politician? Weaknesses I can expand on. But seriously Brooklyn City Council, that the bottom of the political food chain.


Expanded.

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Any thoughts on my app?

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Waztaskio wrote:
United Christian wrote:
Expanded.

:twisted:


Oh?
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Postby Sanabel » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:18 am

Dentali wrote:
Sanabel wrote:I'd like to see a Fowler-Schlang debate



I'm always game for one

Considering Schlang is out of a job, I'm down whenever
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United Christian wrote:
Waztaskio wrote:

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Oh?

Idk. Terrorists man...blowing up those capitals.

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Postby Dentali » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:21 am

Sanabel wrote:
Dentali wrote:

I'm always game for one

Considering Schlang is out of a job, I'm down whenever



You are someone as a player that I would love to debate but honestly I don't know much about Schlang. Can you send me his app? or give me a rundown
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:27 am

Conti+Fowler

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Mutual alienation

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I'm actually siding with Fowler here though. Not that he was helping things, but Conti screwed things up worse
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Postby Dentali » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:30 am

Tallahassee News Station wrote:Conti+Fowler

(Image)

Mutual alienation

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I'm actually siding with Fowler here though. Not that he was being a charmer, but Conti screwed things up worse



Can I be the guy on the right in that GIF?

Seriously though, thank you Fowler is doing his absolute best here and did not want to take the meeting in the first place, he can't stand (to use use a NS term) Liberal tax and spend hypocrites. But he feels the Balanced Budget Amendment is a reactionary move that is going to do more damage then it solves.
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Tallahassee News Station wrote:Conti+Fowler

(Image)

Mutual alienation

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I'm actually siding with Fowler here though. Not that he was helping things, but Conti screwed things up worse

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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:33 am

Waztaskio wrote:
Tallahassee News Station wrote:
Same, it's a better example of a pretty good app.

My main question would be how he won the election in a landslide?. He is rather young, not a great deal of political experience or acumen, and seems to have spent quite a while away from the city

The relationships with his close friends helped as well as associates, as they could vouch for him in the area of all the work he did for anyone he came across, which started a real grass-roots effort. It was helped greatly by his patriotism due to him openly announcing his denials from the highest service until one accepted him, giving him some fame from the veterans and general patriots due to his conviction to serve his country. He got some of the scholars due to his education, and his work in the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also put up for full viewing to show what all he did for communities. He was basically your grassroots candidate with a political outsider reputation, that showed results. That was my reasoning.

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Expanded.

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Hmm. All right, I can see that working, with a bit of luck, but it's be a tight victory, not a landslide
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Postby Waztaskio » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:33 am

Tallahassee News Station wrote:
Waztaskio wrote:The relationships with his close friends helped as well as associates, as they could vouch for him in the area of all the work he did for anyone he came across, which started a real grass-roots effort. It was helped greatly by his patriotism due to him openly announcing his denials from the highest service until one accepted him, giving him some fame from the veterans and general patriots due to his conviction to serve his country. He got some of the scholars due to his education, and his work in the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also put up for full viewing to show what all he did for communities. He was basically your grassroots candidate with a political outsider reputation, that showed results. That was my reasoning.


:twisted:


Hmm. All right, I can see that working, with a bit of luck, but it's be a tight victory, not a landslide

Fair enough.

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Postby Meelducan » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:34 am

I still want a Johnson-Kiser debate.
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The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:Any thoughts on my app?


???

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Meelducan wrote:I still want a Johnson-Kiser debate.




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Postby Sanabel » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:46 am

Dentali wrote:
Sanabel wrote:Considering Schlang is out of a job, I'm down whenever



You are someone as a player that I would love to debate but honestly I don't know much about Schlang. Can you send me his app? or give me a rundown

Be careful, I am a brutal debater.

Anyway, Schlang was a gifted defense attorney, and he became Mayor of Jersey City. This was followed by his election to Congress, serving one term for NJ's 8th District, after which he lost a Senate primary. He then got a contract with MSNBC, hosting a political show called "The Schlang Zone."

In '08, he came in third for the Democratic primary, eventually endorsing Winston in exchange for being made Secretary of the Interior. Notably, during this time he blocked the sale of public lands, attempted to reduce the budget, and took a hardline anti-China stance at Pacific trust negotiations.

Made an impassioned speech at the DNC, was a Danders supporter in the primaries.

Directly after the Williams Affair he resigned, and called for the prompt resignation of Winston, consequently just prior to his impeachment and suicide.

Is currently on a reality show called People's Prosecutor.

He is a fairly well known seemingly dumb-witted firebrand, who is cunning and manipulative with a sociopathic streak behind closed doors. He is a close friend of Bill Rodham, and brutal political operative Don Schlang. Is a womanizer, with 4 recently dropped sexual assault allegations.

Lives in the Watergate Building.

He's dope.
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:49 am

Dentali wrote:
Tallahassee News Station wrote:Conti+Fowler

(Image)

Mutual alienation

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I'm actually siding with Fowler here though. Not that he was being a charmer, but Conti screwed things up worse



Can I be the guy on the right in that GIF?

Seriously though, thank you Fowler is doing his absolute best here and did not want to take the meeting in the first place, he can't stand (to use use a NS term) Liberal tax and spend hypocrites. But he feels the Balanced Budget Amendment is a reactionary move that is going to do more damage then it solves.


What Fowler's gotta do, and learn to do, is pick his battles. A balanced budget is not only ridiculously popular with the GOP base (and whole country), but the idea of it is central to their basic ideology/rhetoric, being fiscally conservative. Fowler's already PO'd the social conservatives. He's set up to tick off some of the libertarians, if he goes against that most basic policy plank, he'll just be ditched as an outright liberal.

Basically, what Fowler needs to do is stop, think, and decide if this is the hill he wants to die on, because if it is, he will die on it. That plan he proposed would end him. If he is really going to decide that this is the worst possible thing for America, then he needs to decide that and fight it. If he thinks it is bad, but either its more important to get his own policy through, or its bad, but not disastrous, then he needs to swallow and go along with it, because this budget thing has been an absolute poison pill for him in every meeting, and it's going to kill him
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