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Postby South Americanastan » Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:55 pm

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South Americanastan wrote:I mean, Smith isn't going to pursue relations with the Reich, for both "It's the Nazis" and political reasons (About 45-55% of Rhodesian Whites are only there because they fled from the Reich), so at least I have that going for me. Also, I wouldn't necessarily call it a coup, as it's through perfectly legal means (The RF manages to flip two URP Representatives, giving them the majority), and they're looking for a peaceful settlement with Britain. So at least I have that going for me.


None of that means that it won't be exceptionally embarrassing for the U.S. to publicly praise Huggins' reforms in front of the entire world, and then immediately have Huggins booted from power and his reforms reversed. Truman will quite understandably want to repair that damage as efficiently as possible. A superpower deciding to invest itself in your domestic affairs is a dangerous thing, after all.

Yeah. Right now, Smith is going to attempt to preserve relations with both the US and Britain (With what time he can spare when he's not praying that the Democrats win the 1952 Election) Worst comes to worst, he'll pretend to support them while consistently "postponing" the reforms for a later date.
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Postby Union Princes » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:45 pm

If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.
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Postby Monsone » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:54 pm

Union Princes wrote:If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.


Well, depends on who it is between. Because it might be similar to IRL except the USSR being replaced by Italy and Germany.
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Postby Union Princes » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:56 pm

I think it's Egypt vs Italy, Germany, and the US over who would get the Canal. India will back Egypt as back of the third world movement.
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Postby Yaruqo » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:12 pm

Union Princes wrote:If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.

Syria would definitely back Egypt in a Suez Crisis scenario.

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Since it looks like the US is going with an alt-hist version of the FBI imma cheekily rob them of the acronym for my own intelligence agency

Finnish Bureau of Investigations has a nice ring to it
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:52 am

Union Princes wrote:I think it's Egypt vs Italy, Germany, and the US over who would get the Canal. India will back Egypt as back of the third world movement.

Foreigners can never have the Suez Canal! Egypt will emerge victorious!
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:26 am

Monsone wrote:
Union Princes wrote:If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.


Well, depends on who it is between. Because it might be similar to IRL except the USSR being replaced by Italy and Germany.

It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:36 am

Arvenia wrote:
Monsone wrote:
Well, depends on who it is between. Because it might be similar to IRL except the USSR being replaced by Italy and Germany.

It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.

Why would the US support Italian control over the Canal?
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:43 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Arvenia wrote:It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.

Why would the US support Italian control over the Canal?

I wonder too.
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Postby Monsone » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:22 am

Arvenia wrote:It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.


Why would the US team up with Germany and Italy to control the Suez? Wouldn't the US just want the canal to itself to excert greater control over the EEC and Germany specifically?
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:36 am

Monsone wrote:
Arvenia wrote:It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.


Why would the US team up with Germany and Italy to control the Suez? Wouldn't the US just want the canal to itself to excert greater control over the EEC and Germany specifically?

I don't think the US would team up with Germany and Italy, but those countries still wants to control the Suez Canal. This conflict would possibly be a three-sided war, I think.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:51 am

Arvenia wrote:
Monsone wrote:
Why would the US team up with Germany and Italy to control the Suez? Wouldn't the US just want the canal to itself to excert greater control over the EEC and Germany specifically?

I don't think the US would team up with Germany and Italy, but those countries still wants to control the Suez Canal. This conflict would possibly be a three-sided war, I think.

Or the US could choose to support the Egyptian government, expecting concessions in return.
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:01 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Arvenia wrote:I don't think the US would team up with Germany and Italy, but those countries still wants to control the Suez Canal. This conflict would possibly be a three-sided war, I think.

Or the US could choose to support the Egyptian government, expecting concessions in return.

What concessions? The Suez Canal will still be Egyptian property.
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Postby Mifan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:22 am

Arvenia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Or the US could choose to support the Egyptian government, expecting concessions in return.

What concessions? The Suez Canal will still be Egyptian property.

Probably not allowing Italian or German ships to pass through. Or allowing US forces to be stationed within the nation. A lot of options here.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:28 am

Mifan wrote:
Arvenia wrote:What concessions? The Suez Canal will still be Egyptian property.

Probably not allowing Italian or German ships to pass through. Or allowing US forces to be stationed within the nation. A lot of options here.


Exactly. The U.S. will back Egypt in any contest over control of the Canal. It will just expect Egypt to support some American priorities in return: most likely free access for all merchant shipping in peacetime, free access to the Canal for the U.S. Navy, and closure of the Canal to Axis forces in the event of a conflict. The U.S. doesn't need to control the canal; it just needs to make sure that Rome and Berlin don't control it. In that sense, American and Egyptian interests are aligned.
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:41 am

Hey Norv, will MLK go to India to pay tribute to Gandhi's funeral? Or maybe Malcom X instead?
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 am

Union Princes wrote:Hey Norv, will MLK go to India to pay tribute to Gandhi's funeral? Or maybe Malcom X instead?


In 1952, neither man is really prominent yet. That's why it was Ralph Abernathy who had a prominent role in my post; he was the oldest of that generation of civil rights leaders. And no one in the Double V Campaign, in this timeline, wants to run the political risk of associating with Gandhi. As inspirational as they find him, they don't want to be accused of "having friends in common with Adolf." So probably the U.S. ambassador to India will attend and say a few polite words, and that will be all.
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:56 am

Reverend Norv wrote:
Mifan wrote:Probably not allowing Italian or German ships to pass through. Or allowing US forces to be stationed within the nation. A lot of options here.


Exactly. The U.S. will back Egypt in any contest over control of the Canal. It will just expect Egypt to support some American priorities in return: most likely free access for all merchant shipping in peacetime, free access to the Canal for the U.S. Navy, and closure of the Canal to Axis forces in the event of a conflict. The U.S. doesn't need to control the canal; it just needs to make sure that Rome and Berlin don't control it. In that sense, American and Egyptian interests are aligned.

Deal. When will Germany and Italy start to focus on the Suez Canal?
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Postby South Americanastan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:48 am

In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.
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Postby Arvenia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:52 am

South Americanastan wrote:In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.

How did that happen?
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Postby South Americanastan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:53 am

Arvenia wrote:
South Americanastan wrote:In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.

How did that happen?

Huggins out, Smith in.

The USA is going to come after our ass and Britain isn’t going to stop them.
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:16 pm

I wonder if there's any south Asians in Rhodesia. If there are Muslims or Hindus getting caught in the crossfire, India will throw its hat into the ring
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Postby Nancivania » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:30 pm

South Americanastan wrote:In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.

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