Blood, Money, and Oil [Mercenary - OOC - MT]

[Lunas Legion]

As are oil-sponsored mercenaries being able to overthrow a legitimate government without UN or international uproar. We all try to moderate our realism here.

I realize this but two unrealistic actions don't right one. I am with you in your point that the UN would react and completely understand why you stopped international reaction: to keep the rp going. However, the Equatorial Guienese have tanks, so mercs would have little chance without the power to counter their vehicular compilation of vehicles.

They have 3 T-55s. We all have either self-built attack helicopters, RPGs or self-built AC-130 knockoffs.

[Alouite]

Although there is the question of why you'd need tanks. They aren't much good in urban environments or jungles, and most of Equ Guinea is either of those.

Also maintenance on a tank versus an IMV, and then usefulness. An IMV can carry troops, equipment, and have good firepower. Easy on maintenance and fuel as well. Sure, it isn't heavily armoured. But speed and manoeuvrability can solve those.

Until you reach the larger more strategically valuable points such as large cities which will have heavy anti-infantry equipment as well as a good deal of armoured units themselves. I know tanks generally suck in jungles when moving, but in a city they are mobile fortresses ready to stop and become a temporary piece of artillery when needed.

As for their tanks they have 20 of these too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1 (Here is their equiptment article that indicates their count of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Equatorial_Guinea#Vehicles)

[Lunas Legion]

Also maintenance on a tank versus an IMV, and then usefulness. An IMV can carry troops, equipment, and have good firepower. Easy on maintenance and fuel as well. Sure, it isn't heavily armoured. But speed and manoeuvrability can solve those.

Until you reach the larger more strategically valuable points such as large cities which will have heavy anti-infantry equipment as well as a good deal of armoured units themselves. I know tanks generally suck in jungles when moving, but in a city they are mobile fortresses ready to stop and become a temporary piece of artillery when needed.

As for their tanks they have 20 of these too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1 (Here is their equiptment article that indicates their count of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Equatorial_Guinea#Vehicles)

BMPs are IFVs, not tanks. They're also rather vulnerable to RPGs/AT mines, which we all have plenty of.

[Arcerion]

Also reported that none of their vehicles are actually in working order.

[Alouite]

Until you reach the larger more strategically valuable points such as large cities which will have heavy anti-infantry equipment as well as a good deal of armoured units themselves. I know tanks generally suck in jungles when moving, but in a city they are mobile fortresses ready to stop and become a temporary piece of artillery when needed.

As for their tanks they have 20 of these too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1 (Here is their equiptment article that indicates their count of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Equatorial_Guinea#Vehicles)

BMPs are IFVs, not tanks. They're also rather vulnerable to RPGs/AT mines, which we all have plenty of.

Yes but 3 was quite the understatement, and at least a few of those crews has the experience to wreak some havoc against a relatively untrained group of mercs. Especially when defending their home country.

[Lunas Legion]

Also reported that none of their vehicles are actually in working order.

Bar those 10 APCs they stole from the Belgians, IIRC.

[Alouite]

Also reported that none of their vehicles are actually in working order.

What are you saying? Im sure you had a good point so rephrase that please.

[Arcerion]

BMPs are IFVs, not tanks. They're also rather vulnerable to RPGs/AT mines, which we all have plenty of.

Yes but 3 was quite the understatement, and at least a few of those crews has the experience to wreak some havoc against a relatively untrained group of mercs. Especially when defending their home country.

I don;t know about you, but I hired all ex-military. So far from untrained. Next, BMPs are boxes with tracks designed to move infantry. They are not meant to absorb rockets or mines. It will wreck them.

Also, the Drohnen IAV has HOT-3 HEAT missiles, so tanks aren't a huge issue.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Isn't your explanation just "bought DM versions in Morocco, remilitarized"?

Isn't that good enough?

Not really, no.

First, acquiring a substantial amount of DM tanks would take time. They don't just come on to the market in company-sized quantities. Not to mention companies that acquire extensive amounts of equipment tend to be scrutinized, and if you seem like a risk you won't be getting any more after the first few.

Then comes remilitarizing them; getting military grade weapons and armaments. Your best bet is third world nations, but the chance of finding what you need specifically would be very low indeed, given the limited inventories of the corrupt officials that would be selling you your materiel. But, assuming you can find what you need, a stretch in and of itself, you need to find personnel capable of rehabilitating the tanks. There is a lot of engineering that goes in to modern turrets, mainly devoted to ensuring when you fire the weapon it doesn't wrench the top of the tank off the chassis via reaction force. Engineers capable of building that, and knowledgeable of a specific design, would be understandably rare, and generally very happily employed. Do it wrong, or try to improvise, and you have an unusable expensive investment after only a few firings.

So, that. Plus you can bet the UN will scream bloody murder if you try to transport assembled gear, so you'd have to have assembled/remilitarized on-site. And foundries/machine shops to do said work would be rare in the wilderness of the borderlands of Cameroon.

[Arcerion]

Also reported that none of their vehicles are actually in working order.

What are you saying? Im sure you had a good point so rephrase that please.

The Equatorial Guinean vehicles are reported to be unserviced, badly trained, and not working.

[Alouite]

What are you saying? Im sure you had a good point so rephrase that please.

The Equatorial Guinean vehicles are reported to be unserviced, badly trained, and not working.

Yeah, well then that their problem when someone with such vehicles rolls on in is it not. Look, I will ask for you to really heavily consider what I ask. If you really don't want the tanks I spent so much time on making possible to be mine, then I will find something else to replace them that is lighter. But please consider it again. After all, I put a lot of research into substantiating my claim.

[Alouite]

Isn't that good enough?

Not really, no.

First, acquiring a substantial amount of DM tanks would take time. They don't just come on to the market in company-sized quantities. Not to mention companies that acquire extensive amounts of equipment tend to be scrutinized, and if you seem like a risk you won't be getting any more after the first few.

Then comes remilitarizing them; getting military grade weapons and armaments. Your best bet is third world nations, but the chance of finding what you need specifically would be very low indeed, given the limited inventories of the corrupt officials that would be selling you your materiel. But, assuming you can find what you need, a stretch in and of itself, you need to find personnel capable of rehabilitating the tanks. There is a lot of engineering that goes in to modern turrets, mainly devoted to ensuring when you fire the weapon it doesn't wrench the top of the tank off the chassis via reaction force. Engineers capable of building that, and knowledgeable of a specific design, would be understandably rare, and generally very happily employed. Do it wrong, or try to improvise, and you have an unusable expensive investment after only a few firings.

So, that. Plus you can bet the UN will scream bloody murder if you try to transport assembled gear, so you'd have to have assembled/remilitarized on-site. And foundries/machine shops to do said work would be rare in the wilderness of the borderlands of Cameroon.

And my Company has existed since the Algerian Revolution prevailed, I have had the time. And before you say Pattons weren't around back then, they were around since 1960, given that the US wouldn't give it away for quite a while, lets say the eighties were when morocco got some of them. Long enough for one or two to break down and be moved to a warehouse where (based off corruption levels in the nation) I had the ability to buy them without anyone being notified on the international level. (Even though doing that is not illegal, I recognize the controversy it might possibly cause). The 80's were over 30 years ago, enough time for me to take them (even after 2005) and slowly work to move them to cameroon. Due to a lack of spending on other vehicles I would still have the money to transport the two tanks and reassemble them and will take away additional funds to make that more realistic if needed.

[Zeinbrad]

Not really, no.

First, acquiring a substantial amount of DM tanks would take time. They don't just come on to the market in company-sized quantities. Not to mention companies that acquire extensive amounts of equipment tend to be scrutinized, and if you seem like a risk you won't be getting any more after the first few.

Then comes remilitarizing them; getting military grade weapons and armaments. Your best bet is third world nations, but the chance of finding what you need specifically would be very low indeed, given the limited inventories of the corrupt officials that would be selling you your materiel. But, assuming you can find what you need, a stretch in and of itself, you need to find personnel capable of rehabilitating the tanks. There is a lot of engineering that goes in to modern turrets, mainly devoted to ensuring when you fire the weapon it doesn't wrench the top of the tank off the chassis via reaction force. Engineers capable of building that, and knowledgeable of a specific design, would be understandably rare, and generally very happily employed. Do it wrong, or try to improvise, and you have an unusable expensive investment after only a few firings.

So, that. Plus you can bet the UN will scream bloody murder if you try to transport assembled gear, so you'd have to have assembled/remilitarized on-site. And foundries/machine shops to do said work would be rare in the wilderness of the borderlands of Cameroon.

And my Company has existed since the Algerian Revolution prevailed, I have had the time. And before you say Pattons weren't around back then, they were around since 1960, given that the US wouldn't give it away for quite a while, lets say the eighties were when morocco got some of them. Long enough for one or two to break down and be moved to a warehouse where (based off corruption levels in the nation) I had the ability to buy them without anyone being notified on the international level. (Even though doing that is not illegal, I recognize the controversy it might possibly cause). The 80's were over 30 years ago, enough time for me to take them (even after 2005) and slowly work to move them to cameroon. Due to a lack of spending on other vehicles I would still have the money to transport the two tanks and reassemble them and will take away additional funds to make that more realistic if needed.

I hoped you realize that where new companies.

And Acr-Want to help me with my company?

[Alouite]

Yes but 3 was quite the understatement, and at least a few of those crews has the experience to wreak some havoc against a relatively untrained group of mercs. Especially when defending their home country.

I don;t know about you, but I hired all ex-military. So far from untrained. Next, BMPs are boxes with tracks designed to move infantry. They are not meant to absorb rockets or mines. It will wreck them.

Also, the Drohnen IAV has HOT-3 HEAT missiles, so tanks aren't a huge issue.

Fair Enough. But my point stands.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Not really, no.

First, acquiring a substantial amount of DM tanks would take time. They don't just come on to the market in company-sized quantities. Not to mention companies that acquire extensive amounts of equipment tend to be scrutinized, and if you seem like a risk you won't be getting any more after the first few.

Then comes remilitarizing them; getting military grade weapons and armaments. Your best bet is third world nations, but the chance of finding what you need specifically would be very low indeed, given the limited inventories of the corrupt officials that would be selling you your materiel. But, assuming you can find what you need, a stretch in and of itself, you need to find personnel capable of rehabilitating the tanks. There is a lot of engineering that goes in to modern turrets, mainly devoted to ensuring when you fire the weapon it doesn't wrench the top of the tank off the chassis via reaction force. Engineers capable of building that, and knowledgeable of a specific design, would be understandably rare, and generally very happily employed. Do it wrong, or try to improvise, and you have an unusable expensive investment after only a few firings.

So, that. Plus you can bet the UN will scream bloody murder if you try to transport assembled gear, so you'd have to have assembled/remilitarized on-site. And foundries/machine shops to do said work would be rare in the wilderness of the borderlands of Cameroon.

And my Company has existed since the Algerian Revolution prevailed, I have had the time. And before you say Pattons weren't around back then, they were around since 1960, given that the US wouldn't give it away for quite a while, lets say the eighties were when morocco got some of them. Long enough for one or two to break down and be moved to a warehouse where (based off corruption levels in the nation) I had the ability to buy them without anyone being notified on the international level. (Even though doing that is not illegal, I recognize the controversy it might possibly cause). The 80's were over 30 years ago, enough time for me to take them (even after 2005) and slowly work to move them to cameroon. Due to a lack of spending on other vehicles I would still have the money to transport the two tanks and reassemble them and will take away additional funds to make that more realistic if needed.

Except for Arc said our PMCs were founded recently. That's a bit of a wrench in your plan. Not to mention still the issue of remilitarization; "more money" isn't an answer.

[Alouite]

And my Company has existed since the Algerian Revolution prevailed, I have had the time. And before you say Pattons weren't around back then, they were around since 1960, given that the US wouldn't give it away for quite a while, lets say the eighties were when morocco got some of them. Long enough for one or two to break down and be moved to a warehouse where (based off corruption levels in the nation) I had the ability to buy them without anyone being notified on the international level. (Even though doing that is not illegal, I recognize the controversy it might possibly cause). The 80's were over 30 years ago, enough time for me to take them (even after 2005) and slowly work to move them to cameroon. Due to a lack of spending on other vehicles I would still have the money to transport the two tanks and reassemble them and will take away additional funds to make that more realistic if needed.

Except for Arc said our PMCs were founded recently. That's a bit of a wrench in your plan. Not to mention still the issue of remilitarization; "more money" isn't an answer.

Did he define recent? With money comes the ability to get stuff done. You act like every tank engineer man gets a job neglecting a lack of employment in recent times, especially in engineers. Do you mean to say that between the years of 2005-2014 a multi millionaire company couldn't find one decent engineer that could teach them to assemble and disassemble tanks?

EDIT: I did a word search and the word recent isn't even on the first page of the OOC or IC.

[Arcerion]

Except for Arc said our PMCs were founded recently. That's a bit of a wrench in your plan. Not to mention still the issue of remilitarization; "more money" isn't an answer.

Did he define recent? With money comes the ability to get stuff done. You act like every tank engineer man gets a job neglecting a lack of employment in recent times, especially in engineers. Do you mean to say that between the years of 2005-2014 a multi millionaire company couldn't find one decent engineer that could teach them to assemble and disassemble tanks?

EDIT: I did a word search and the word recent isn't even on the first page of the OOC or IC.

From the application.

Company History: (How it was founded, remember, this is the inaugural operation, so you're not some battle-hardened mercenaries yet.)

[Alouite]

Did he define recent? With money comes the ability to get stuff done. You act like every tank engineer man gets a job neglecting a lack of employment in recent times, especially in engineers. Do you mean to say that between the years of 2005-2014 a multi millionaire company couldn't find one decent engineer that could teach them to assemble and disassemble tanks?

EDIT: I did a word search and the word recent isn't even on the first page of the OOC or IC.

From the application.

Company History: (How it was founded, remember, this is the inaugural operation, so you're not some battle-hardened mercenaries yet.)

That only says that the actually involvement in war is new, not that the company is.

[G-Tech Corporation]

From the application.

Company History: (How it was founded, remember, this is the inaugural operation, so you're not some battle-hardened mercenaries yet.)

That only says that the actually involvement in war is new, not that the company is.

So a private military company operates in the red for forty odd years before finally getting a job now?

That stretches credulity. Regardless, though, it's really not that difficult Alouite; Arc, as OP, would like you not to have tanks. Whether or not that is terribly realistic is a point we can debate back and forth, but it is, all in all, his decision.

[Lunas Legion]

That only says that the actually involvement in war is new, not that the company is.

So a private military company operates in the red for forty odd years before finally getting a job now?

That stretches credulity. Regardless, though, it's really not that difficult Alouite; Arc, as OP, would like you not to have tanks. Whether or not that is terribly realistic is a point we can debate back and forth, but it is, all in all, his decision.

Orcus was founded in 1991. Granted, they were disbanded for 20+ years afterwards, but they can still claim to be the oldest.

[Imperial City-States]

I agree with no tanks. I was stretching it with BTR-60's. go ahead and bring tanks i have a few things that would laugh in your face before turning you into scrape metal

[Lunas Legion]

I agree with no tanks. I was stretching it with BTR-60's. go ahead and bring tanks i have a few things that would laugh in your face before turning you into scrape metal

I have my improved knock-off AC-130. It's now on a smaller and cheaper plane chassis (An-74) so I can replace the rocket pods more times because they're expensive.

[Imperial City-States]

So when can we expect a post ?



rockets aren't super effective against tanks.

[Lunas Legion]

So when can we expect a post ?



rockets aren't super effective against tanks.

Depends on the rocket and the tank.

[Imperial City-States]

So when can we expect a post ?



rockets aren't super effective against tanks.

Depends on the rocket and the tank.

I guess that's true but even 122mm Rockets aren't super effective against medium armor. Although you could make a makeshift shaped charge with a copper cone.