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Why do liberals call it 'fair'?

Postby F1-Insanity » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:34 am

Liberal policy is basically taking money from people who work hard and giving it to people who do not.

Just one simple question: how on earth is such a thing 'fair'?
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-Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500
-Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

-Amount cut from the budget: $385
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:36 am

How can we not understand their marijuana induced warped state of reality?
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Postby Takaram » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:38 am

They're lazy and want our money?

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Postby Pythria » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:41 am

Takaram wrote:They're lazy and want our money?

Pretty much.
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Postby Blademasters765 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:42 am

why cant you Americans stop whining
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Postby Raul Caribe » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:43 am

i do not understand it either. for some reason we are evil because we actually make money in what ever way we do it. they think its unfair that we dont give them some of it. i do not get it either.

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Postby Old-Fashioned Fascism » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:43 am

Because not all rich people work hard, and not all poor people are lazy.

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Postby The Floor Kippers » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:44 am

It called Sharing!
Ever try it?
Its about taking SOME money off people who CAN work to earn it and give it to people Who CAN'T work to earn it.
The part of the money taken goes to Free health care for all, Public transport and various other useful things that Poor people couldn't afford otherwise
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Postby Takaram » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:47 am

The Floor Kippers wrote:It called Sharing!
Ever try it?
Its about taking SOME money off people who CAN work to earn it and give it to people Who CAN'T work to earn it.
The part of the money taken goes to Free health care for all, Public transport and various other useful things that Poor people couldn't afford otherwise


Yeah, but why should I be forced to share with everyone else? I'll give all of my money away on my own terms like a good Christian... oh, wait. This could be a problem.

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Postby F1-Insanity » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:47 am

The Floor Kippers wrote:It called Sharing!
Ever try it?
Its about taking SOME money off people who CAN work to earn it and give it to people Who CAN'T work to earn it.
The part of the money taken goes to Free health care for all, Public transport and various other useful things that Poor people couldn't afford otherwise


Free healthcare? Well it isn't free for me, I have to pay for it, and for someone else's too apparently. And you can stuff public transport where the sun don't shine I do not need it.

Yes I am a bit selfish. But you have to be with all those leftist politicians around who try to grab an increasing share of my income for them (government) to 'redistribute'. Fack that.

And as for CAN'T work, why are there so many lazy welfare scroungers about who most certainly COULD but simply REFUSE to work?
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-Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500
-Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

-Amount cut from the budget: $385
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:47 am

The Floor Kippers wrote:It called Sharing!
Ever try it?
Its about taking SOME money off people who CAN work to earn it and give it to people Who CAN'T work to earn it.
The part of the money taken goes to Free health care for all, Public transport and various other useful things that Poor people couldn't afford otherwise

People should work for them self. Why would one person's hard earned money to be given to lazy, filthy person?
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Postby Herwickistan » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:52 am

Because of how the money is made.

You have a factory owner, who owns machinery. A worker comes in, uses the machines, makes the product, boxes the product, ships the product. What exactly did the owner do aside from own the machinery? Their labor is minimal whereas the worker's is the majority. THIS is the issue.

The issue of laziness is not at issue here. This is especially true in the case of those who work two minimum wage jobs to support themselves, whilst richer folks can take lavish vacations. Now I don't mean to get into hyperbole here, but can you see the problem? Wage is a poor way to judge the worth of a person or the work they do. And therefore when liberals call for things to be "fair" they are talking about how hard working one is and their contributions to society, not "theft".

By the way, isn't taking the majority of the profit from a product someone made "theft"? If I own a paintbrush, and my friend paints a multi-million dollar auctioning piece of art, am I entitled to 90% of the profits? Why is this the case in our current economic system?

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Postby Novograd IV » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:57 am

F1-Insanity wrote:Liberal policy is basically taking money from people who work hard and giving it to people who do not.

Just one simple question: how on earth is such a thing 'fair'?


sounds awfully comunist to me
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Postby F1-Insanity » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:58 am

Herwickistan wrote:By the way, isn't taking the majority of the profit from a product someone made "theft"? If I own a paintbrush, and my friend paints a multi-million dollar auctioning piece of art, am I entitled to 90% of the profits? Why is this the case in our current economic system?


As long as your friend is willing to give 90% to you, for using your paintbrush, then yes it is fair. After all, he could go and get his own paintbrush, or combine with friends of his to collectively buy one if they want.

No one forces him to use your paintbrush, no one forces the worker to work for a wage. He can always go and do something else, but apparently there are enough people willing to do the job for the factory owner. If not, he'd have to increase promised wages in order to get people to do work.

Why should people be rewarded with other peoples money for being stupid enough to work for low wages?
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Think about the numbers in terms that we can relate to. Remove eight zeros from the numbers and pretend it is the household budget for the fictitious Jones family:
-Total annual income for the Jones family: $21,700
-Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200
-Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500
-Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

-Amount cut from the budget: $385
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Postby Duocore » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:58 am

Blademasters765 wrote:why cant you Americans stop whining

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Postby Dinsorn » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:59 am

I didn't see the banner until today. That must mean it's an April Fool's joke. It's not supposed to make sense. There aren't any trustworthy politicians and Liberals aren't fair.

Blademasters765 wrote:why cant you Americans stop whining


Probably because we don't want to end up like you.
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They call it "Social Justice"

Postby Objectivist Aynrandia » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:00 am

Liberals believe that poor people are poor because of various conditions beyond their control, not because of poor personal choices or laziness. They believe that rich people are rich because they exploit poor people or though inheritance, not because of hard work and/or marketable ingenuity.

To rectify this situation, they advocate "progressive" public policies or "Social Justice," which is the forced redistribution of wealth by the government, which is socialism by another name. It is "fair" because its never their fault that they were poor in the first place.

While I can certainly acknowledge that SOME poor people are poor though no fault of their own, I also know of many poor people who became rich (or at least comfortably well off) though hard work. Many were immigrants who started with NOTHING and then worked their way up. And of the rich folks I've met, most made their money though hard work; none of them were born rich / won the lottery / etc. And when I say hard work I mean HARD WORK, working far more than the poor people they are supposedly "exploiting."

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Postby JuNii » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:00 am

F1-Insanity wrote:Liberal policy is basically taking money from people who work hard and giving it to people who do not.

Just one simple question: how on earth is such a thing 'fair'?

because... Liberals have just realized that the Phrase "do you want fries with that" just doesn't earn as much as say... a CEO.
on the other hand... I have another set of fingers.

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Postby Patriqvinia » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:01 am

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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:02 am

Herwickistan wrote:Because of how the money is made.

You have a factory owner, who owns machinery. A worker comes in, uses the machines, makes the product, boxes the product, ships the product. What exactly did the owner do aside from own the machinery? Their labor is minimal whereas the worker's is the majority. THIS is the issue.

The issue of laziness is not at issue here. This is especially true in the case of those who work two minimum wage jobs to support themselves, whilst richer folks can take lavish vacations. Now I don't mean to get into hyperbole here, but can you see the problem? Wage is a poor way to judge the worth of a person or the work they do. And therefore when liberals call for things to be "fair" they are talking about how hard working one is and their contributions to society, not "theft".

By the way, isn't taking the majority of the profit from a product someone made "theft"? If I own a paintbrush, and my friend paints a multi-million dollar auctioning piece of art, am I entitled to 90% of the profits? Why is this the case in our current economic system?


If the factory owner closed the factory, the workers have nothing. If workers want same, no one stops them to open the company too.
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Postby Ixzara » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:03 am

Novograd IV wrote:
F1-Insanity wrote:Liberal policy is basically taking money from people who work hard and giving it to people who do not.

Just one simple question: how on earth is such a thing 'fair'?


sounds awfully comunist to me

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Postby Tsenor » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:03 am

Because American Liberalism is fair. (European Liberalism sucks though..)
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Postby Errinundera » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:04 am

F1-Insanity wrote:Liberal policy is basically taking money from people who work hard and giving it to people who do not.

Just one simple question: how on earth is such a thing 'fair'?


Who cares whether it's fair.

We can. So we do.

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Blademasters765 wrote:why cant you Americans stop whining
Why can't your foreigners stop clinging to things like 'equality' and 'love of your fellow man'?
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:06 am

Ixzara wrote:
Novograd IV wrote:
F1-Insanity wrote:Liberal policy is basically taking money from people who work hard and giving it to people who do not.

Just one simple question: how on earth is such a thing 'fair'?


sounds awfully comunist to me

Communism is a form of Liberalism taken to the extreme. Whilst Fascism is a form of Conservatism taken to the extreme.

Communism=Liberalism.
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